Marvel's Daredevil

[HaemishM]

The only quibble I have is that the Daredevil, err, doesn't actually seem that good.  He seems to get the crap kicked out of him by normal dudes fairly often.  For a guy who is suppose to be able to sense everything that's going on, and exactly what his opponent is about to do, he's really bad at dodging kicks to the face.   

He's not omniscient.  His concentration can be broken and sometimes even knowing a punch is coming doesn't mean you can stop it.

[kaid]

He flat out says in the series he has to concentrate to pay attention to certain things which is why he can still miss out on some stuff he could have determined had he been focusing on the issue. His powers downside is basically information overload he can do some insane things when he focuses but he cannot focus on everything at all times.

[Threash]

Also he was seriously fucked up throughout most of the show, specially after the ninja fight.

[Tannhauser]

Pssst, hey Daredevil, here's three easy steps to winning every fight.

1.  Turn off all the lights
2.  Kick their asses
3.  Wait, nevermind, only two steps

[Threash]

That would make sense but it would make for a shitty tv show.

[Merusk]

On the last episode of Daredevil:

[Margalis]

So far I've watched 4 episodes. Thoughts:

1. I find the side character stuff very uneven. Karen Page seems to be unbelievably dumb. When they give her the papers to sign why doesn't she show them to, you know, the lawyers she works for? It feels like they're trying very hard to give her a B story fairly separate from the main story, but why it's separate is highly contrived. The "Karen and Foggy go out drinking" was another B story that didn't work for me. DD interacting with Claire also doesn't do a lot for me. (her character is also the most credulity-straining one)

2. So far my favorite scenes have been the ones with the bowling alley guy. Great acting from that guy. In general I hope the legal stuff comes into play more - I don't want something that is half legal drama but I like that the legal stuff isn't just irrelevant backdrop. Also the idea that in court DD believes in the letter of the law is nice rather than just being a crusader of conscience, which is more what audiences would expect from a typical good guy.

3. Though I haven't seen much of him I like the portrayal of Kingpin as some sort of weird awkward man-child.

Overall I do like it and I appreciate that it isn't the normal Marvel schlock. People like to say that the Marvel movies are different genres - one is a "political / spy thriller", one is a psuedo-comedy, etc, but really to me they're all pretty much the same Marvel Movie genre, in which a nondescript bad guy tries to kill people with magical blue energy. This is genuinely different, which is nice to say. It doesn't have the same save the world schtick or the typical wittier-than-thou banter.

[MediumHigh]

This show gets a lot of love from me. Love the "street hero" aspect of this character. He isn't a billionaire wearing bullet proof next gen halo gear. Or so ridiculously trained and efficient that he basically can't be tagged by anyone but the big bads. You feel like he has to die, you see why he has to keep what he does a secret, and he has his own doubts and conflicts, between being a good man, an asshole, or a killer. My only point of pain is Wilson Fisk. This is kinda interesting since this show is very much stacked on the good guy side while the bad guys are mostly effective plot devices and not much more. Wilson Fisk works but he is a far cry from his usual portrayals even if they hit on his common themes.

[Tannhauser]

Just finished this today.  Great show.  If this is how Marvel will do grimdark then darken my grim the fuck up.  The writing and acting were just excellent. Never felt like a cheap show, just a good solid crime drama with fucking ninjas and shit.  Ninja's always make things better.

[jgsugden]

Finished today. 

Great show.  I am really pleased.

Favorite moment: That last fight scene in Episode 2.  Those 2 and a half minutes may be the best fight scene I ever see.  The camera work and direction are masterful.  The use of what is seen and what isn't... incredible.

I really hope Season 2 doesn't have to wait until after Defenders....

[Pennilenko]

I totally failed at my game plan of watching one per week. Holy shit was that an amazing first season.

[Evildrider]

I really hope Season 2 doesn't have to wait until after Defenders....

Depending on what their narrative is for the other shows, it will probably be after Defenders.  I wonder if they are even going to go back to single character seasons or make Defenders the main show.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I really hope Season 2 doesn't have to wait until after Defenders....

Depending on what their narrative is for the other shows, it will probably be after Defenders.  I wonder if they are even going to go back to single character seasons or make Defenders the main show.

It may have been the original plan, who knows.  The fact that this is so well received and also being on netflix makes me think they may stay on the yearly release schedule for all their other original programming however.

[Evildrider]

I think out of all the Netflix shows Jessica Jones may be their hardest sell.  They may wait to see how that does.  I'd actually be all in for the 4 series straight to Defenders.. then Daredevil Season 2 and Heroes For Hire Season 1 with Iron Fist/Cage/Jones.

[Tannhauser]

I think out of all the Netflix shows Jessica Jones may be their hardest sell.  They may wait to see how that does.  I'd actually be all in for the 4 series straight to Defenders.. then Daredevil Season 2 and Heroes For Hire Season 1 with Iron Fist/Cage/Jones.

Yeah, I agree with that.  Hey, does anyone have a clue about

[Lakov_Sanite]

I think out of all the Netflix shows Jessica Jones may be their hardest sell.  They may wait to see how that does.  I'd actually be all in for the 4 series straight to Defenders.. then Daredevil Season 2 and Heroes For Hire Season 1 with Iron Fist/Cage/Jones.

Yeah, I agree with that.  Hey, does anyone have a clue about

Madam Gao is theorized to be...

[jgsugden]

Just to remind everyone, the original game plan has been for them to do a series every 8 to 15 months - Daredevil, then 8 months to Jessica Jones (December 2015), then 8 to 15 to Luke Cage, then 8 to 15 to Iron Fist then 8 to 15 to Defenders.  That puts Defenders in 2018 to 2020.  If we need to wait until 2019 to 2021 for Daredevil Season 2 (if it waits until after Defenders) I'll be very disappointed. 

However, I don't think that is the plan because of one line in the show - the mention that it'd takeThat tells me they want to set a story in a year.  I hope I'm right...

[Lakov_Sanite]

AFAIK Cage isn't getting his own show solo, he's being paired with JJ and after that Iron fist.

[jgsugden]

AFAIK Cage isn't getting his own show solo, he's being paired with JJ and after that Iron fist.

That is not the plan I've heard.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/397745-netflix-clarifies-release-plans-for-marvel-series#/slide/1

[Margalis]

I assume DD has done pretty well and Netflix likes money, so I see this [no new DD series until 18-21] changing. From an executive standpoint it's a waste to make a popular series then not have a season 2 until 3-4 years later, just giving up free money.

Apparently the new season is scheduled for 2016. You can't go broke betting on execs liking money!

[Velorath]

I don't see them waiting until after Defenders to do another season of Daredevil unless they want DeKnight and the writers working on Luke Cage or Iron Fist. Seems like it would be a waste to not have them locked down and working on something even if it's just a four episode miniseries or some 2 hour specials here and there or something. Really Daredevil has probably had around as much screen time in 13 episodes as Iron Man has had across three solo and two Avengers movies, so I'm not particularly desperate for more Daredevil right away but I'd be interested in seeing this crew stick together at least.

[Merusk]

Just to remind everyone, the original game plan has been for them to do a series every 8 to 15 months - Daredevil, then 8 months to Jessica Jones (December 2015), then 8 to 15 to Luke Cage, then 8 to 15 to Iron Fist then 8 to 15 to Defenders.  That puts Defenders in 2018 to 2020.  If we need to wait until 2019 to 2021 for Daredevil Season 2 (if it waits until after Defenders) I'll be very disappointed. 

I assume DD has done pretty well and Netflix likes money, so I see this changing. From an executive standpoint it's a waste to make a popular series then not have a season 2 until 3-4 years later, just giving up free money.

Not to mention running the risk of people not giving a fuck after that long, or actors dying/ being tied-down on other projects.

[Velorath]

Just to remind everyone, the original game plan has been for them to do a series every 8 to 15 months - Daredevil, then 8 months to Jessica Jones (December 2015), then 8 to 15 to Luke Cage, then 8 to 15 to Iron Fist then 8 to 15 to Defenders.  That puts Defenders in 2018 to 2020.  If we need to wait until 2019 to 2021 for Daredevil Season 2 (if it waits until after Defenders) I'll be very disappointed. 

I assume DD has done pretty well and Netflix likes money, so I see this changing. From an executive standpoint it's a waste to make a popular series then not have a season 2 until 3-4 years later, just giving up free money.

Not to mention running the risk of people not giving a fuck after that long, or actors dying/ being tied-down on other projects.

Marvel tends to be pretty good at getting their key actors under contract for multiple projects, and I'm sure Charlie Cox in particular is already signed on for appearances in the other Netflix shows. I don't know that you really need to worry about people not giving a fuck after a long break though. Seems like an increasingly outdated way of looking at TV. It's easy enough to rewatch a 13 episode season, especially on Netflix., and you'd be looking at more or less the same gap that you see between each Avenger's solo movies (2-3 years). I think if Season 2 were to come out in 2017 and is a quality product, people are going to watch it.

[Margalis]

Final opinion after watching the whole thing - I definitely think the first 4 or so episodes were better than the remainder. Going to spoiler this just to be safe:

[Threash]

[Mattemeo]

[Lakov_Sanite]

They do allude to him faster than normal healing in a couple instances when talking about the extent of his abilities.  The Stick line about meditation is likely a red herring the old man threw in so young Matt didn't freak out too much over super human ability.

[jgsugden]

All of these comments about how the first episodes were the best have me wondering what we'do have seen had Goddard stayed...

[Margalis]

I don't really have a problem with how the later episodes are written as much as the broad plot structure they follow. In fact I think the first couple episodes were worse than the rest in terms of including overly cute dialogue. (AKA Whedonisms) For example "I'm not confessing for what I did, but for what I'm about to do." It's a very generic "badass" quip.

I assume that the series was pretty plotted out, so I don't know that the individual writers made too much of a difference. In network TV a lot of things are loosely planned and the writers just kind of make it up as they go along, shooting new episodes as old ones are airing, but I get the feeling that a thing like this is much more put together from the outset.

[Evildrider]

Daredevil season 2

If you’ve already watched all 13 episodes of “Marvel’s Daredevil” on Netflix and are eager for more, we’ve got some good news. Netflix has just announced that they’ve picked up the series for a second season that will premiere in 2016.

Doug Petrie (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” “American Horror Story”) and Marco Ramirez (“Sons of Anarchy”), who worked closely with Executive Producers Steven S. DeKnight and Drew Goddard during the first season, will serve as showrunners for season two. Goddard, Petrie and Ramirez will serve as Executive Producers for season two alongside Jeph Loeb.

“While previous commitments unfortunately prevent me from continuing on with Daredevil into its second season, I could not be happier that Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez are carrying the torch,” says DeKnight. “They were invaluable collaborators during our first season, and I for one can’t wait to see what they do with the show moving forward.”


Well that answers our question of when.  Netflix is going to be pumping out shows if they are this fast on getting another season done.  Pretty much means it will probably be released around the same time as Luke Cage comes out.

[Teleku]

That's great news.  It means they aren't just limiting themselves to the timing of the other shows.  Also means that Netflix considered this series a big success.  Which means the chances of DeKnight getting his wish and being able to do a hard R Punisher series are increased.

[Evildrider]

As much as I like Punisher, I don't think he'll have the mass market appeal.  Simply because he's just a generic action hero.  With some minor changes John Wick could have been called Punisher.  Now, would I personally want to watch a Punisher show/movie.  Yes.  However most of the non comic crowd may not really care... and actually that's shown in the last 2 movies.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Thise daredevil might as well be called the punisher. I think that shows that people are more than willing to watch if the series is given weight and solid writing.  In fact the punisher has way more potential for grit and drama than daredevil.

[Bunk]

Just finished it. Yea, that was good tv. I always considered Kingpin to be a really rather lame villain, but I have to agree with the previous comment, this series became more about Fisk than Daredevil, and it was awesome.

Loved the iconic final shot.

[Margalis]

I assume DD has done pretty well and Netflix likes money, so I see this [no new DD series until 18-21] changing. From an executive standpoint it's a waste to make a popular series then not have a season 2 until 3-4 years later, just giving up free money.

Apparently the new season is scheduled for 2016. You can't go broke betting on execs liking money!

(I accidentally edited my post in which this prediction originally appeared!)