iOS 7

[Viin]

Haven't been paying attention, not what I was expecting ..

Erm?

[ghost]

Seems pretty slick to me so far.

[schild]

I can't even get the fucking thing to install on the ipad. Meh. All downloaded and says "Update not available at this time."

I didn't know that inside the Walled Garden was a garbage dump where poor Apple product went to die.

[Numtini]

Maybe it looks a bit more modern, but it's not exactly overwhelming. No idea what I'm missing under the hood, but I suspect the incremental bits tossed into Chrome will mean more to my life than this will.

But I have Apple stuff from work. I'm not part of the cult and on some level I just don't get it.

[Draegan]

Not sure what I'm looking at. Looks like a basic phone UI.

[Viin]

You must not have an iPhone.

[Ingmar]

You know, normally Apple does pretty slick UIs for things, but something about this one seems pretty ugly to me. Something about the icons I guess.

[lamaros]

Flat and busy icons without clear boundaries makes it harder to read at a glance. It ugly IMO.

[Numtini]

It looks much better on the ipad. But as far as I can tell, it's just a reskin.

[ghost]

Yeah, the esthetics of it don't matter much to me, but it appears to be running my devices noticeably faster than prior to the update. 

[schild]

Apple discovered the 1-pixel stroke and decided to make menus more obnoxious. All the animations and shit are precisely what I turn off when I jump into any UI. 3x3 nested groups of icons is not better than one we had previous. The lack of unnecessary textures is pleasing.

All in all, this is just another case of Apple doing something I don't give a fuck about while they call it groundbreaking.

[Viin]

I will say, finally being able to turn off bluetooth from a single swipe menu (from any screen, even locked) is awesome. Whoever buried it in Settings should feel ashamed.

[Engels]

iTunes radio seems silly to me. First it warns of additional fees if you stream over cellular. Without any further explanation if they mean iTunes fees or cell carrier fees based on your data plan, nothing. So that's useless to me on the bus right there. Secondly, with Pandora I like making a dozen or so stations based on bands I like and then shuffle them. I can't seem to make iTunes radio shuffle the station selection and am stuck with one station at a time, so it looks like its back to Pandora for me.

[Tebonas]

Thats why I updated as well, it was past time they unburied those setting.

On the flip side I can only see 9 items at once in Folders anymore, even on my iPad. Was whoever thought that is a good idea high?

Also, it eats battery like mad on my iPhone 4s and is less responsive.

Not their finest hour.

[schild]

Who knew Jobs would become a modern day Ozymandias.

[Yegolev]

I like that one.  Good show.

[sickrubik]

iTunes radio seems silly to me. First it warns of additional fees if you stream over cellular. Without any further explanation if they mean iTunes fees or cell carrier fees based on your data plan, nothing. So that's useless to me on the bus right there. Secondly, with Pandora I like making a dozen or so stations based on bands I like and then shuffle them. I can't seem to make iTunes radio shuffle the station selection and am stuck with one station at a time, so it looks like its back to Pandora for me.

Any app that you attempt to do heavy streaming over cellular is supposed to have a warning these days.

iTunes radio for me just means one less thing. I haven't tried it on my phone yet, but enjoyed playing around with it in iTunes. The problem mostly is that it's in iTunes and iTunes continues to be terrible.

But, I really really like iOS 7 so far. I really like flat design. The only thing I don't like sos far is the how much "frost" is in the back behind folders. On a lighter background it's not as much of an issue, though.

[Venkman]

I like the look, in as much as it's not five years old anymore and does include some nice UX things like the Command Center (which itself has some nice additiions, even if you can't configure any of it) and a much easy Task Manager (even if it still lacks an Android-like "cleanup" function which is, what, 2 years old now?).

It's most a reskin, but it's a substantial one. Makes most of my apps feel dated now.

It's pretty, clean, ditches the previous look which I'm pretty sure invented the word "skeuromorphic", but to schild's point, it's neither new nor innovative in ways they implied.

I also agree with Numtini that it looks better on the iPad, particularly my retina model.

[schild]

The usage of space on the ipad is a trainwreck though.

[Viin]

Updated my iPad 2, it does look nice. I was hoping it'd fix my problem with saving pictures taken by the camera, but no they still don't save to the camera roll.

[Merusk]

The usage of space on the ipad is a trainwreck though.

Yeah, I was gong to comment on this and the obnoxious way the bottom menu pops up at the slightest provocation after an evening at home with the upgrade.  The icons have such thin line work now they have to be 1.5x larger to be legible, which is terrible.

Ed: and can we get a goddamn apostrophe on the main screen board please!

[schild]

Oh, also. The lock screen is shit.

[Merusk]

Agreed, but you can turn that off.

[MahrinSkel]

The usage of space on the ipad is a trainwreck though.

They wanted the iPad to have an interface effectively identical to the iPhone/iTouch.  That means ignoring or not using the bigger screen.  Now, if it were an Android device that decided it wanted to completely control your UI presentation in ways you didn't like, you would have many options to fix it.  But iOS devices aren't yours, you are merely paying for the privilege of using them in permitted ways.  If you didn't want to take whatever Apple dishes out, why did you rent their stuff?

--Dave

[Tebonas]

Thats the kind of retardedness we laughed at Microsoft for all these years, though.

Really, for a company that was famous for its design decisions that is a complete trainwreck.

[Ingmar]

How did the lock screen change? We force unlock codes on our users so I might need to prep myself for some complaints.

[luckton]

How did the lock screen change? We force unlock codes on our users so I might need to prep myself for some complaints.

It's no longer a little slide bar at the bottom.  You slide the entire flipping screen.  Lock code screen is still there and functions as normal.

[luckton]

I can't even get the fucking thing to install on the ipad. Meh. All downloaded and says "Update not available at this time."

I didn't know that inside the Walled Garden was a garbage dump where poor Apple product went to die.

iPad 1st gen?

[schild]

One is 1st gen. one is 2nd gen. Finally got it installed ont he 2nd gen one. I know the first one can't get it. Which is dumb.

[luckton]

One is 1st gen. one is 2nd gen. Finally got it installed ont he 2nd gen one. I know the first one can't get it. Which is dumb.

Considering the benchmarks I'm seeing between an iPhone 4 running 6.x and 7.0, I think you're better off without it on the 1st gen.  Hell, that shit won't even install PvZ2.

[KallDrexx]

You can't even install ios6 on the iPad 1

[schild]

I know, it blows.

[Venkman]

Thats the kind of retardedness we laughed at Microsoft for all these years, though.

Really, for a company that was famous for its design decisions that is a complete trainwreck.

Apple is about industrial design. Their software has generally been mediocre at best, and their UI kinda variable. They're fairly reliant on other people figuring things out for them UX wise and then just cribbing most of it. But they lack the centralization of UI and UX on the software side that is a hallmark of their hardware side.

It's been that way kinda always. They used to do it as Enlightened Despots. Then they did it because they got too big to give a shit. I actually think iOS7 UI is just another example of post-Jobs Apple trying to figure out how to play catchup though. There's more here that matches other convention than there is anything that other companies are going to try and emulate.

[schild]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/senator-asks-if-fbi-can-get-iphone-5s-fingerprint-data-via-patriot-act/

WELL OF COURSE IT'S A FUCKING PROBLEM

[Surlyboi]

No, it's not a fucking problem.

Also the whole screen doesn't fucking slide. The mechanism is the same, you still slide from the same place you always did, it's just that the whole graphic now moves with it.

Seriously guys, stop being fucking internet alarmists and read up on the technology. If I wasn't I'd go apeshit in this thread.