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Reply #665 on: May 16, 2014, 09:21:39 AM

No, my point was that far from having one solid constant core to a character, characters can and do change over time, and sometimes the stuff people say they find objectionable can be found actually part of the character before that. Which you totally ignored to pick on Zilla. As I pointed out even the oft repeated example of Constantine has changed radically even in the comics over the past 20 years (And I really don't know why people keep saying he was "religious" in the movie.)

The actual point about Zilla is that American movies and Japanese movies are based on totally different cultures and assumptions. Would you have described Godzilla as a God? If A Japanese Filmmaker made a Batman Movie people over in America would probably freak, and there would be much screaming that they missed the whole point even if they ticked all the boxes of rich guy beating up poor criminals for their own good. Hell, it might be a good thing to compare the Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven and see how the same story can be twisted in totally different ways simply by culture. And lets not talk about the Karate Kid...

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Reply #666 on: May 16, 2014, 09:59:21 AM

The vast majority of people have no idea who Constantine is.

Everyone knows who Superman is. The reason to make a Superman movie is precisely because everyone knows who he is - Superman being Superman is really the only interesting thing about him.  So to me it makes no sense to make a Superman movie then try to change who Superman is. At that point he's just any generic superguy.

You can change a character but it doesn't make sense to change a defining characteristic. It wouldn't make sense to make a Spider-Man who never cracks wise either. That's just no Spider-Man.

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Reply #667 on: May 16, 2014, 10:56:55 AM

Well, I'm led to believe that we will get a non-smartass Spiderman movie soon.  He's called Venom.

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Reply #668 on: May 23, 2014, 04:10:38 AM

You will perhaps remember that I've argued that the films of DC properties show real signs of the people making them pretty much hating and/or being embarrassed by comic-books as a genre and hating and being embarrassed by their fans, unlike Marvel's current stuff, which is mostly in the hands of people who like and and appreciate the source material.

Exhibit D for the prosecution:

http://www.avclub.com/article/she-hulk-sex-fantasy-virgins-and-other-david-s-goy-204935
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Reply #669 on: May 23, 2014, 04:23:24 AM

Wow.  That dude hates his job.  Also, he can fuck right off.
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Reply #670 on: May 23, 2014, 04:24:06 AM

The 'Hi Target Market of Horrible Virgins' was particularly well played.

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Reply #671 on: May 23, 2014, 04:41:18 AM

What virgins? Everyone who saw man of steel got screwed.

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Reply #672 on: May 23, 2014, 07:36:29 AM

Wow.  That dude hates his job.  Also, he can fuck right off.

This. Whatever respect I might have had for him is gone. Fuck him in his tiny earhole.

Who the fuck gives an entire genre's worth of movies over to a guy who CLEARLY FUCKING HATES THE GENRE? And what kind of an asshole takes that job?

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Reply #673 on: May 23, 2014, 07:51:05 AM

The kind of asshole who likes money. It's no different from someone like Randall in Clerks; people hating their customer base is not uncommon.

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Reply #674 on: May 23, 2014, 02:26:23 PM

I see it differently.

I don't think of it as hating the customers. It's more that him and the production company know they've already got those customers, and there's just not enough business from them to justify pandering only to them.

No matter how much comic book fans hated MoS, they showed up and bought tickets and popcorn and maybe watched it on Netflix, Bluray or iTunes anyway. That's the customer they have, the one who's going to watch it once or twice by sheer virtue of it existing. You don't market to those people because you don't need to pander to them.

You only need to assess whether they can keep the larger audience away.

And the studios know if one's strongest defense is "it's not like the comics", there's nothing to be worried about  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #675 on: May 23, 2014, 02:38:52 PM

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Reply #676 on: May 25, 2014, 12:18:54 AM

The more I look at that poster, the more sublimated the Superman part of the logo gets.

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Reply #677 on: May 25, 2014, 12:36:45 AM

Wait.  Goyer is in controll of the Sandman property for movie rights?  Wow.  That sucks a new level of donky dick.

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Reply #678 on: May 25, 2014, 01:53:23 AM

Wow.  That dude hates his job.  Also, he can fuck right off.

This. Whatever respect I might have had for him is gone. Fuck him in his tiny earhole.

Who the fuck gives an entire genre's worth of movies over to a guy who CLEARLY FUCKING HATES THE GENRE? And what kind of an asshole takes that job?

Goyer's been doing it long enough that he may well have burned out, but he still likes the money. Plus he's pretty much always been a hack; he just happened to be a hack in the right place at the right time.

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Reply #679 on: May 25, 2014, 05:34:40 PM

He is the most right place right time person possibly in recent human history. Like if Akiva Goldman had happened to get the right job at the right moment rather than Lost in Space or whatever--the thing that takes you from hack-o-matic to guy allowed to shape $1billion worth of corporate investment without ever having to not be a hack-o-matic.
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Reply #680 on: May 25, 2014, 06:58:29 PM

I don't blame Goyer for taking the money. I blame the shithead who decided it was a good idea to give him the keys to this kingdom when he so clearly hates everything about it. That is a person who does not understand the economic possibilities of the properties they control and also does not understand the creative process.

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Reply #681 on: May 25, 2014, 07:02:50 PM

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Reply #682 on: May 25, 2014, 07:46:50 PM

It helps that Iger, while ambitious, isn't Eisner.  There's a lot of good folks behind Marvel's success purely by coincidence. Like most success stories, I suppose.

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Reply #683 on: May 25, 2014, 07:48:12 PM

I think it was just a perfect storm.  Even Arad leaving was a good thing.
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Reply #684 on: May 26, 2014, 05:19:04 AM

"We can't call him Martian Manhunter, that's just goofy."  Yeah what was Marvel thinking about Rocket Racoon, that's so silly.
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Reply #685 on: May 27, 2014, 12:22:14 PM

"We can't call him Martian Manhunter, that's just goofy."  Yeah what was Marvel thinking about Rocket Racoon, that's so silly.
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Reply #686 on: May 27, 2014, 12:42:02 PM

To be fair, it looks like in Guardians they are just calling him 'Rocket'.  Manhunter does just sound better and less awkward then trying to fully title him 'Martian Manhunter'.

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Reply #687 on: May 27, 2014, 12:52:07 PM

See also: Arrow.

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Reply #688 on: May 27, 2014, 01:23:35 PM

To be fair, it looks like in Guardians they are just calling him 'Rocket'.  Manhunter does just sound better and less awkward then trying to fully title him 'Martian Manhunter'.

People are complaining that he won't be from mars because of comments stated earlier but I always took those comments to mean they found remains on mars and decided to clone/grow the cells.  You could easily have his memory be cellular too so that this civilization could be long gone, which is why we haven't run into anything so far.

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Reply #689 on: May 27, 2014, 03:47:45 PM

Thread subject updated to reflect announced title.




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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #690 on: May 27, 2014, 08:01:11 PM

Not really.



I mean, unless "almost exactly" just means some type of bat shape field in which some type of square serif S is bound  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #691 on: June 01, 2014, 10:17:26 AM

Darniaq, it was geek humor blaming Zach Snyder for the world becoming a zombie/vampire wasteland. Roll with it!

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Reply #692 on: June 13, 2014, 09:25:48 AM

DC movie plans have - theoreticllay - been revealed.  They've been put out there by multiple sources, at least.  3 films a year.

May 2016 - BATMAN V. SUPERMAN
July 2016 - SHAZAM
Xmas 2016 - SANDMAN
May 2017 - JUSTICE LEAGUE
July 2017 - WONDER WOMAN
XMAS 2017 - UNTITLED GREEN LANTERN/THE FLASH TEAM-UP
MAY 2018 - MAN OF STEEL 2

Unclear if these are all in the same universe (Shazam and Sandman are the big question marks) and if the Flash is going to be the TV Flash or a new Flash.  As DC has said there will be a tie in between TV and movies, there will be something... but there are still too many possibilities to lock it down. 

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Reply #693 on: June 13, 2014, 09:32:16 AM

>July 2016 - SHAZAM
Smells like Bullshit.

I like Shazam and I think he makes a good antagonist for Superman. But there is no way WB is busting out Shazam anytime soon.
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Reply #694 on: June 13, 2014, 11:09:00 AM

Shazam has been pushed a lot in the New 52.  He's also been in like 3-4 of the last DC animated movies.  Besides, this will finally give The Rock his chance at playing Black Adam.
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Reply #695 on: June 13, 2014, 11:12:51 AM

I don't doubt shazam may be a real thing, mostly because I believe they are that stupid.

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Reply #696 on: June 13, 2014, 11:46:11 AM

I don't doubt shazam may be a real thing, mostly because I believe they are that stupid.

Sandman is a shittier choice than Shazam imo.
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Reply #697 on: June 13, 2014, 11:49:53 AM

Unless Death is a hottie. Then it's totally worth it why so serious?
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Reply #698 on: June 13, 2014, 12:01:19 PM

Death should be played by Emma Stone.

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Reply #699 on: June 13, 2014, 01:10:27 PM

I don't doubt shazam may be a real thing, mostly because I believe they are that stupid.

Sandman is a shittier choice than Shazam imo.

Sandman is non existent in the minds of most people but it has way more potential for an actual story than fucking  shazam.  You can do a lot of things with the sandman comics so that is really up to the writing/directing but how do you get past the fact that shazam is the ken to superman's ryu with possibly the dumbest origin of all?  You can throw out the backstory entirely and you still have knockoff superman. 

 The real question is why is wonder woman getting pushed until after both of them.

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