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I understand the impact on the actual point totals, but the conversation was about how it affected rankings, especially when looking at draft boards by insider/etc/whatever you call them.

If you look at just QBs, they're all going to be affected the same way, so the points just shift. That's all I'm saying, these changes aren't really going to change which QB you draft, and given that most leagues are 1 QB. I'm not even sure if it would alter where you would draft a QB either, unless you're on the edge of Tier 3 or something.

Quote from: sickrubik on August 15, 2013, 01:37:29 PM

If you look at just QBs, they're all going to be affected the same way, so the points just shift. That's all I'm saying, these changes aren't really going to change which QB you draft, and given that most leagues are 1 QB. I'm not even sure if it would alter where you would draft a QB either, unless you're on the edge of Tier 3 or something.

A QB on a team with a crappy running game is SIGNIFICANTLY more valuable when thrown TD's are worth 6. In a league where QB's get 6 pts per thrown TD, the first round will look quite different than a league with 4 pts per thrown TD. Top tier QBs become almost as valuable as top tier RBs in this case.

I never stated they wouldn't get more point nor that they would be worth more points. I just don't agree that it would change strategy all that much on where that top tier of QBs are already. Especially since the data we are looking at incorporates PPR. That would shift WR/RB back up at the same time.

Yup. The changes are counter-acting each other to a point where (if looking at 2012 stats) most players don't move more than 2-3 spots in ranking with all of these rules applied. Changes to teammates, coaches, and schedules will account for more variance for player points.

TBH, I'd vote for just using standard scoring since I assume the autodraft rankings are based on standard scoring. So it seems that it would put autodrafters at slightly less of a disadvantage to use standard. That being said, I don't really give a crap. I am planning on playing excellent fantasy defense to post an excellent record despite one of the lowest point totals in the league.

Quote from: El Gallo on August 15, 2013, 09:29:08 PM

You can adjust your rankings prior to drafting, and the autodraft will use that.

Autodrafters being at a disadvantage when they have multiple weeks to set up a draft order is their own fault, not the fault of the scoring settings. Besides, autopicking based on default rules isn't an issue here, the issue is autodrafting 2x place kickers.

I'm with you on not giving a crap though, I just like analyzing this shit as the build up to the season starts.

I always autodraft and it has never been a problem.

Draft day is coming, bitches. I wanted to share something new that Yahoo offers this year - Draft Grades!

I joined a public league just to get a vision on how a draft might go. The Yahoo! system gave me a horrible review. I htought I would share it for your amusement. I drafted 9th out of 10. There is a high correlation between draft order and draft grade, but not a perfect correlation.

1: A, 2: B+, 3: B, 4: B, 5: B, 6: B-, 7: C, 8: C+, 9: D, 10: C

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Draft Grade: D

Ouch. Prove these ratings wrong by nominating yourself for the Toyota Hall of Fame.

The poor draft position for ISIS Agents proved too great an obstacle to overcome. After selecting ninth overall, they're projected to finish 10th in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a record of 1-13-0 (1,204 points). ISIS Agents opted for balance early, selecting QB Aaron Rodgers (12th overall), RB Ray Rice (9th), WR Roddy White (29th), and TE Tony Gonzalez (49th) within the first five rounds. They have the worst quartet of WRs in the league, as they added White, Wes Welker, Cecil Shorts, and Kenny Britt.
The Season Ahead

Week 8 looks to be a tough one for ISIS Agents, as it is the week when the most players (5) and most projected fantasy points are on bye. They have the toughest schedule in the league when factoring in opponents' projected points. Along with the most grueling overall schedule, both the first four games and last four games of the season are about league-average difficulty for ISIS Agents. A soft stretch might begin in Week 8, when ISIS Agents plays projected bottom-tier teams for three games in a row.
Draft Notes

Strongest Position: TE is one of two positional groups projected to beat their slot's league average on ISIS Agents (along with QB). Of the two groups, TE is projected to be the best unit on the squad, topping the league average for that position by 33.8%.
Hit the Waiver Wire: ISIS Agents might need to hit the waiver wire in Week 8, as their No. 1- (Ray Rice), No. 2- (Chris Johnson) and No. 5-ranked (Ben Tate) RBs will all be resting that week.
Earning Your Paycheck: ISIS Agents will have some hard decisions to make each week at WR, with a scant projected points difference between their third- (Cecil Shorts), fourth- (Kenny Britt), and fifth-ranked (Josh Gordon) WRs.
Consistency Is My Middle Name: With seven consistent players among their 15 picks, ISIS Agents is looking for reliable help.
Aging Stars: The top half of the roster (from a projected points perspective) is relatively old (ranked No. 1 in the league with an average of 8.4 years of NFL experience), whereas the bottom half is fairly young (No. 9 with 3.4 years).
A Pair of Winners: ISIS Agents has a couple of proven fantasy champs in their lineup. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, two of their players (Ray Rice and Tony Gonzalez) finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a first-place roster.

As a contrast, here is the commentary from the top two grades. Note how the second went all in our WRs early. I find that really risky, personally.

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Draft Grade: A

Top of the league! Nominate yourself for the Toyota Hall of Fame to prove you’re top of the world.

Having the top pick in the draft doesn't always lead to championships. But, in this case, there is reason for optimism. Chip's green team 2 parlayed their overall No. 1 selection into this year's top draft, projected to finish in first place in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a mark of 12-2-0 (1,470 points). With their first five picks, Chip's green team 2 focused on balance, selecting QB Colin Kaepernick (41st overall), RBs Adrian Peterson (1st) and Matt Forte (20th), and WRs Julio Jones (21st) and Pierre Garcon (40th). They have the most prolific pair of RBs in the league, as they picked up Peterson and Forte for their fantasy stable.
The Season Ahead

Whether by good fortune or well-planned strategy, Chip's green team 2 has secured a favorable bye week schedule for their superstars. Of their top five players in projected points, none share a common off week. From a projected points standpoint, they have the softest slate in the league. In addition to having the easiest overall schedule, Chip's green team 2 also has the softest last four games of the season. Starting in Week 6, Chip's green team 2 will have to navigate a tricky part of the schedule, squaring off against projected top-tier teams in the league three times in a five-game span.
Draft Notes

Strongest Position: With four better-than-average positions on Chip's green team 2, RB (14.3% above the league average) and DEF (9.1%) are projected as especially strong units.
Earning Your Paycheck: Chip's green team 2 will have some hard decisions to make each week at WR, with a scant projected points difference between their third- (James Jones), fourth- (Emmanuel Sanders), and fifth-ranked (Golden Tate) WRs.
The Sky's the Limit: With six players projected to significantly beat their previous year's fantasy points, Chip's green team 2 hopes to have found some up-and-coming stars.
Risk Hater: Actuaries love the drafting style of Chip's green team 2. They minimized risk by selecting six consistent players among their 15 picks.
Super Sleeper: With the hope of a breakout performance, Chip's green team 2 grabbed Jordan Cameron with pick No. 121.
A Pair of Winners: Chip's green team 2 has a couple of proven fantasy champs in their lineup. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, two of their players (Adrian Peterson and Matt Bryant) finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a first-place roster.

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Draft Grade: B+

Think you’re better than this? Nominate yourself for the Toyota Hall of Fame and prove it.

Coinciding with a juicy draft position (second overall), Carolina Beers3 had an outstanding performance. They're projected to finish second in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a record of 11-3-0 (1,421 points). Carolina Beers3 stocked up on pass-catching weapons early on, using three of their first five selections to pick up WRs Calvin Johnson (first round), Brandon Marshall (second round), and Dwayne Bowe (fourth round). That early positional investment yielded the most prolific quartet of WRs in the league.
The Season Ahead

Week 8 figures to test the depth of Carolina Beers3, as it is the week when the most players (5) and most projected fantasy points are on bye. From a projected points standpoint, they have one of the easiest slates in Yahoo Public 8249 League. Along with the third-easiest overall schedule, both the first four games and last four games of the season are about league-average difficulty for Carolina Beers3. Starting in Week 6, Carolina Beers3 will have to navigate a tricky part of the schedule, squaring off against projected top-tier teams in the league three times in a five-game span.
Draft Notes

Best Position: Carolina Beers3 has three above-average positions with WR (25.0% above the league positional average) and TE (18.5%) projected to lead the way.
Team of Champions: Carolina Beers3 has a lineup sprinkled with proven fantasy winners. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, three of their players finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a championship roster. They include Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and Drew Brees.
Cream of the Crop: At four different roster spots, Carolina Beers3 picked up projected top-2 players (including Calvin Johnson, Drew Brees, and Brandon Marshall).
Beginning with a Bang: Carolina Beers3 got off to a sizzling start, amassing the most projected points in the league during the first half of the draft.
The Sky's the Limit: With four players projected to significantly beat their previous year's fantasy points, Carolina Beers3 hopes to have found some up-and-coming stars.
Risk Hater: Actuaries love the drafting style of Carolina Beers3. They minimized risk by selecting seven consistent players among their 15 picks.

Do they mention that an A+ team is one injury or scheme change away from being a D- team?

Drafting matters, but reacting to injuries during the season is what REALLY matters.

I don't take those projections seriously at all, at least not before the season even starts. Last year in the 14 team league I play in, I was projected after the draft to finish 10th. I won the league last year. The team with the highest projection finished near the bottom iirc.

I don't even see where it gives you the option for grades. Where did you stumble across it?

Pick one of your leagues > Draft Central > Draft Grades.

I'm guessing the league has to have drafted for it to even show up, because I don't have that. I was hoping to play around with it after doing some mock drafts just to see what it spits out.

It doesn't seem to show up for offline drafts that have been inputted either.

Quote from: WayAbvPar on August 22, 2013, 10:49:23 AM

It doesn't seem to show up for offline drafts that have been inputted either.

I did a league draft offline and it graded ours just fine.

Don't forget, draft is coming in a little more than an hour, for all you manual drafters.

And JV is in 2 hours and change.

fffuuu. Had my times messed up and missed the JV draft. Not awful but since I planned on being there it hurts seeing who the auto draft left on the board. But hey, it didn't pick up 2x kickers...progress! why so serious?

Quote from: Cyrrex on August 25, 2013, 10:32:30 AM

Don't forget, draft is coming in a little more than an hour, for all you manual drafters.

WTF are you talking about? Primary league draft is Thursday.

There's a team in my fantasy league called Hernandez's Pistol Offense.

Either I know something or I know nothing. Yahoo graded my JV draft D+. I'm thinking I did better than that - not a lot superstars but guys whose bye weeks don't overlap and who are steady points earners.

Quote from: shiznitz on August 25, 2013, 03:39:41 PM

Quote from: Cyrrex on August 25, 2013, 10:32:30 AM

Don't forget, draft is coming in a little more than an hour, for all you manual drafters.

WTF are you talking about? Primary league draft is Thursday.

I meant the JV draft, silly pants.

Quote from: HaemishM on August 25, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

While your roster does look a bit on the "boring" side, it is kind of hard to say. Your RBs are decent (assuming Morris is actually any good, which I am not sold on personally), but I think Welker and Amendola could go either way this year, both being on new teams and whatnot. And then you have St Louis for DEF, so I am sure the Draft grading system looks at that sort of thing and also the general depth of your roster.

My draft...I am glad that I got Calvin Johnson and all, but dammit if it didn't leave me in the position of having shitty RBs for the umpteenth year in a row. I had CJ2K last year as well, and he shit the bed for the most part. And DeMarco Fucking Murray. I'm okay with most of the rest of my roster.

The only thing I am really annoyed about in the draft is that I grabbed Ronnie Hillman when Knowshon Moreno was still available. I rode Moreno to a win in a league last year after McGahee went down so I know he's got the talent to be Denver's #1 back, he can catch, he blocks and he runs pretty well too. I have no confidence that Hillman will do anything interesting this year.

Quote from: Cyrrex on August 25, 2013, 11:34:11 PM

sickrubik's post after yours had me all confused. You posted 1 hour and then he posted 2 hours.

Quote from: shiznitz on August 26, 2013, 06:31:34 AM

Quote from: Cyrrex on August 25, 2013, 11:34:11 PM

sickrubik's post after yours had me all confused. You posted 1 hour and then he posted 2 hours.

I was trying to trick people into thinking it was an hour earlier. So then they would get angry, give up on the draft entirely, and I would be left with a clear path to Michael Vick. It totally worked.

Blah, I autodrafted my own league. Wouldn't have mattered if I remembered, I wasn't even home.

Quote from: HaemishM on August 25, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

Can you post your team? I'd be interested in seeing what the grading system had issue with.

His team looks better than mine, and I got a B.

Quote from: Rasix on August 26, 2013, 07:45:24 AM

His team looks better than mine, and I got a B.

Tells me nothing.

Quote from: Murgos on August 26, 2013, 04:01:38 AM

Right now, I project the depth chart for Denver to be Moreno > M. Ball > R. Hillman.

Hillman has had blocking issues and a serious case of the dropsies so far. Not encouraging.

Quote from: HaemishM on August 25, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

your WRs are slot recievers (#3 on their respective teams), so that;s probably not helping.

Welker and Amendola will both have great years, but expect Welker's numbers to decline given that he's now competing against Thomas/Decker. He's in a similar situation as he was in with New England, but with a much more talented receiver corps.

Quote from: HaemishM on August 25, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

I believe that it iis ranking it based on average projected points compared to others in that position, and who you left on the board. Ex: taking Welker who's expected to dip (and wasn't supposed to be picked until late round 5 early round 6) while leaving Andre Johnson and VIncent Jackson on the board loses points I think. While I disagree with them ranking Welker in the 60s, I do agree that he will dip a bit and will not do as well as VJackson or AJohnson. He'll ultimately be someone that will somehow be shocking and amazing that he beat projections and points of 20 people projected ahead of him

Quote from: Segoris on August 26, 2013, 08:31:59 AM

Quote from: HaemishM on August 25, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

I think Thomas is going to end up around 1500 yards, the dude is just a vertical threat and has gotten a lot more physical. I think Decker is going to miss the 1,000 mark just short, with Welker getting about the same amount of yards, but double the TDs of Decker. Possibly even more TDs than Thomas, given his role.