F13 2013/2014 Fantasy Football League

[Rasix]

His team looks better than mine, and I got a B.

Tells me nothing.

FINE.  

Here's his draft:

Kilt Wavers Jr.
1.    (9)    Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB)
2.    (12)    Alfred Morris (Was - RB)
3.    (29)    Wes Welker (Den - WR)
4.    (32)    Danny Amendola (NE - WR)
5.    (49)    Frank Gore (SF - RB)
6.    (52)    Mike Wallace (Mia - WR)
7.    (69)    T.Y. Hilton (Ind - WR)
8.    (72)    Andrew Luck (Ind - QB)
9.    (89)    Owen Daniels (Hou - TE)
10.    (92)    St. Louis (StL - DEF)
11.    (109)    Anquan Boldin (SF - WR)
12.    (112)    Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
13.    (129)    Vick Ballard (Ind - RB)
14.    (132)    BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Cin - RB)

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

[HaemishM]

As requested, here's my roster:

QB Aaron Rodgers
QB Andrew Luck
WR Wes Welker
WR Danny Amendola
WR Mike Wallace
WR T.Y. Hilton
WR Anquan Boldin
RB Alfred Morris
RB Vick Ballard
RB Frank Gore
RB Benjarvus Green-Ellis
TE Owen Daniels
K Janakowski
DEF St. Louis

I really looked hard at bye weeks to make sure I didn't have a lot of overlap. I think Welker will end up with better stats than Decker because both are great possession receivers, but Welker is the king of possession guys and then there's Peyton who loves him some slot receivers. Amendola will likely get hurt BUT when he's in, I expect the lack of both Gronk and Shoot-Em-Up Hernandez will mean he'll get lots of targets. I think Wallace will have a better year than anticipated because Tannehill had a solid year throwing to nobodies last year and Wallace ain't nobody. T.Y. Hilton is going to be the new Reggie Wayne in Indy as Wayne gets older and Luck gets more experience.

I get 2 star QB's, providing Luck doesn't have 2nd year syndrome.

RB's are a bit weaker but that position is SO DAMN THIN league wide. Morris should get plenty of touches if RGIII is hurt and even if he isn't. Gore is always solid. Ballard will get the lion's share of the carries in Indy as well Green-Ellis in Cincy. Nothing spectacular there but steady.

Janakowski is always going to get points and he's a kicker. I am also not going to win on defense, and St. Louis is likely to improve on a decent year with Fisher as coach.

[Nebu]

I think that you got downgraded because Yahoo undervalues QBs due to their default scoring system.  In the f13 league, I think you did a great job in the draft.  I'd be happy with your team... minus a few slight exceptions 

Like your QB's.  Like your receivers (love posession receivers and I think Amendola is due for a breakout this year).  Morris and Gore are serviceable in a thin draft.  Your biggest weaknesses are at TE, DEF, and K... but all of those will be easily fixed with the FA market. 

[Nebu]

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

You did alright for autodraft.  Could have been SO much worse.  Manning has one of the best WR groups in the NFL.  McCoy would worry me as an injury risk and because he's on a team with no other options (will get keyed every game).  Dez Bryant... ugh.  I have a love/hate with him.  Great talent with a 5 cent head.  You need to hit the wire for RB's and WR's.  Take a gamble. 

I agree though.  I like Haemish's draft better.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, that's the thing about all 3 of those positions. They CAN win you games, but outside of 2-3 top names, they won't. Once Vernon Davis came off the board at TE, there weren't a lot of sexy picks left the way say an Antonio Gates used to be. DEF is so matchup based most of the time and kickers... that's just some foreign guy taking yet another job from an American.  

[Nebu]

Yeah, that's the thing about all 3 of those positions. They CAN win you games, but outside of 2-3 top names, they won't. Once Vernon Davis came off the board at TE, there weren't a lot of sexy picks left the way say an Antonio Gates used to be. DEF is so matchup based most of the time and kickers... that's just some foreign guy taking yet another job from an American. 

Games are often won or lost by 5 points.  Daniels is decent, but you may want to handcuff him with someone that is a long shot.  The St Louis DEF should be replaced.  They are 15th at best and will be on the field a lot.  I'd grab something week by week for matchups unless you can grab a top 10 team.

The toughest part of your team is that you don't have any obvious cut bait.  Janikowski and St Louis are the biggest concerns and, as you said, they are minor.

[Nevermore]

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

You did alright for autodraft.  Could have been SO much worse.  Manning has one of the best WR groups in the NFL.  McCoy would worry me as an injury risk and because he's on a team with no other options (will get keyed every game).  Dez Bryant... ugh.  I have a love/hate with him.  Great talent with a 5 cent head.  You need to hit the wire for RB's and WR's.  Take a gamble. 

I agree though.  I like Haemish's draft better.

Actually, I like Rasix's team a whole lot more to be honest.  And I'm not saying that just because I ended up with a lot of the same players on my team. 

Daryl Richardson, by the way, is a steal for a 10th round pick.

[Nebu]

Daryl Richardson, by the way, is a steal for a 10th round pick.

His value is going to be in reception yards if anything.  I expect St. Louis to play from behind most games.

[Rasix]

The thing I'm kind of pissed at is the high kicker and DEF picks.  I don't often even draft a kicker, and usually wait for a DEF until way later.   I would never have picked McCoy that early due to every single Eagles player I've drafted getting hurt on me at some point during the year.  I call it the Curse of McNabb.

Shane Vereen.. I dunno. Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though. 

[Nebu]

Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though. 

I agree.  He's worth taking a gamble on. 

PIT DEF... ugh.  Age is a problem but they have a good scheme.  Tough call on that one.

[sickrubik]

I would probably drop PIT and pickup a depth. No real reason to carry two DEFs, and even with Von Miller out, Denver has a decently soft schedule, and gets to play SD and OAK twice each this year. :P

[Segoris]

I think Thomas is going to end up around 1500 yards, the dude is just a vertical threat and has gotten a lot more physical. I think Decker is going to miss the 1,000 mark just short, with Welker getting about the same amount of yards, but double the TDs of Decker. Possibly even more TDs than Thomas, given his role.

I'm with you on Thomas and Decker as Decker barely made 1k yards last year without Welker being around but Decker still had 13 TD. I would say Decker around 850 yards and 7 TD (which is a huge drop from last year when he was spoon fed the endzone) with Welker around 1100 and his first double digit TD season with 11. Thomas will still be about 8-9 TD this year

The thing I'm kind of pissed at is the high kicker and DEF picks.  I don't often even draft a kicker, and usually wait for a DEF until way later.   I would never have picked McCoy that early due to every single Eagles player I've drafted getting hurt on me at some point during the year.  I call it the Curse of McNabb.

Shane Vereen.. I dunno. Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though.  

Def are not what they used to be. Though, Den was likely graded/rated without the suspensions/injuries taken into account they would have been worthy of a 6th or 7th round pick. Chi, Sea, SF, possibly Cin even are going to put up more points than a lot of offensive players and are quickly becoming the new TE position from back when Antonio Gates changed the way people viewed TEs in fantasy.

McCoy should be back in form, Davis should have a good year, and a little waiver magic to get the hothand at WR (since I don't trust Nicks) would make your team solid imo. And yes, Richardson in 10 is a steal.

Overall, I'm with Nevermore in that I would take your team over Haem's.

I agree.  He's worth taking a gamble on. 

PIT DEF... ugh.  Age is a problem but they have a good scheme.  Tough call on that one.

His real Def is Denver's, not Pit though.

[sickrubik]

Quick update on the Hillman/Moreno thing.

Moreno is turning out great practices and great blocking/running in the preseason games. Broncos also have brought Jeremiah Johnson back into practice. Both of these indicate a distinct lack of trust in Hillman's issues, and to a lesser extent Montee Ball.

[Nevermore]

The thing I'm kind of pissed at is the high kicker and DEF picks.  I don't often even draft a kicker, and usually wait for a DEF until way later.   I would never have picked McCoy that early due to every single Eagles player I've drafted getting hurt on me at some point during the year.  I call it the Curse of McNabb.

Shane Vereen.. I dunno. Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though.  

If McCoy stays healthy he could have a career year.  I picked him with my first pick.  I'm in a .5 PPR league though, don't know if yours has any points for receptions.

[sickrubik]

JV has .5 PPR, so McCoy is a good candidate, yeah.

[Nebu]

His real Def is Denver's, not Pit though.

Oops.  Missed DEN.  Good grab there.

[Segoris]

I would have agreed with Den being a good grab before this preseson and summer started, but now not so much. I'd rather have Cin, SD, maybe even Bal after Den lost Dumervile, are dealing with Von Miller's 6 game suspension, and Bailey's foot injury. Side note - this is also the only time I'd say Bailey's age is a factor, his recovery time, because he does not play like he's the old man that he is in this league at 35, but father time isn't fooled when injuries are involved.

[sickrubik]

I would have agreed with Den being a good grab before this preseson and summer started, but now not so much. I'd rather have Cin, SD, maybe even Bal after Den lost Dumervile, are dealing with Von Miller's 6 game suspension, and Bailey's foot injury. Side note - this is also the only time I'd say Bailey's age is a factor, his recovery time, because he does not play like he's the old man that he is in this league at 35, but father time isn't fooled when injuries are involved.

I disagree. First off, San Diego is going to be HORRID. I'm not sure why you would leap up and grab them over just about anyone in the league.

But, Doom isn't going to be that big of a loss after all things are said and done. Fantastic player, but I he's overrated in general and benefited greatly from Von Miller. Von Miller is enough of a beast that he'll do fine if whomever is on the other side can apply JUST enough pressure. Doom was not going to get the DEF that many points. I wouldn't worry about Champ, the DBs have enough depth and DRC has been playing GREAT in the preseason and Jammer showed marked improvement this week. People like Ihenacho are Woodyard are going to shine. I think you're selling them vastsly short. Of course, I'm also a fan... sooo.. grain of salt. But the major downside will be the ST of that equation. I expect that to get better. The Seahawks game was a bit of an anomaly with the points being scored against our own offense, but that does end up counting against DEN DST, sadly.

[Segoris]

Oddly enough, the SD defense was quietly better than most realize while people laughed at their offense. But yea, my saying SD over Den is a bit off but not by much. SD and Den had similar int, similar def TD, but Den won last year in points thanks to sacks and points allowed which will both be worse for them this year with these changes.

Basically, I just don't think Den will be putting up 200+ points like they did last year. Over half of their 50+ sacks were from Von Miller and Dooms combined, and Dooms being the only other player in double digits. The next closest were at 6 and 5.5 with Wolfe and Woodyard respecitvely (who will both be good again) but this is not the same def front as it was last year, especially for these first 6 games. When Von Miller is back in, he won't be as successful because he was also much better while teams had to pick their poison - Dooms or Von Miller. Well, the loss of Dumerville and if the NFL is able to test him for PEDs regularly

[sickrubik]

Yeah, you're clearly overvaluing Doom and undervaluing Wolfe and Woodyard. The defense will be different, but still very solid. I'm not sure they will make the same amount of points as they did last year, but it's a huge mistake to think they'll be bad. Look for Wolfe to get a lot of action, the dude has the talent and now has the confidence coming off his rookie year. Also, Shaun Phillips has been applying huge pressure as the replacement for Doom on the side, which is all that Miller needs. Miller has been playing great in the preseason with a number of sacks.

In the backfield, we have DRC, Tony Carter and Duke Ihenacho all playing great so far.

As for SD? I'm not sure why anyone would be excited by them. They've bled players and are in rebuilding mode, and unless the offense shows something, they're going to be playing from behind a lot. That's going to be a TIRED unit.

[shiznitz]

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

I like this result, at least up through round 6.  Getting Peyton in the 4th while guys like Brees and Rodgers went in the first or early second is a bargain.  That said, the fact that the autodraft grabbed a defense in the 7th and 15th spot is THE reason I remove all Dedenses and Kickers from my rankings if I know I am going to autodraft.  There are always plenty of mediocre options to grab later.  Better to hope for a nice sleeper WR or back up RB in rounds 10-15.

No one needs 2 DEF in Week 1.  That is just insanity.

[Nevermore]

I am so happy I passed up on Arian Foster.  I mean he may turn out to have a good year, but there are so many warning flags that he's really going to fall off this year.

[Segoris]

Yeah, you're clearly overvaluing Doom and undervaluing Wolfe and Woodyard. The defense will be different, but still very solid. I'm not sure they will make the same amount of points as they did last year, but it's a huge mistake to think they'll be bad. Look for Wolfe to get a lot of action, the dude has the talent and now has the confidence coming off his rookie year. Also, Shaun Phillips has been applying huge pressure as the replacement for Doom on the side, which is all that Miller needs. Miller has been playing great in the preseason with a number of sacks.

In the backfield, we have DRC, Tony Carter and Duke Ihenacho all playing great so far.

As for SD? I'm not sure why anyone would be excited by them. They've bled players and are in rebuilding mode, and unless the offense shows something, they're going to be playing from behind a lot. That's going to be a TIRED unit.

It's not overvaluing a guy when he averages over 10 sacks a season over 6 years [and counting]. I'm also not saying they'll be bad at all, but we're talking fantasy and fantasy points here - which they'll probably drop from #3 down to #6 or so with the loss of sacks while allowing more points as teams can focus more on Von Miller and create more time for their QB. I like Wolfe, and he's going to be even better, but his improvements and Woodyard will not create the same offensive challenges that Dumervil did. Though the one place I am undervaluing is the pick up of DRC as that had slipped my mind, the rest of it I'd say is pretty accurate that they're going to drop a bit especially since they don't have Von Miller for ~40% of the season. The true saving grace to Den's Def is their schedule is not exactly loaded against high scoring teams. Week 1-6 has Dal, Phi, and NYG and all of those can be hit or miss in their scoring. Then only the Colts, Skins, Texans, and Pats after Von Miller's return

As for SD - so a repeat of last year when they were rebuilding (with what, 3 or 4 draft picks spent on defense?) and were still quietly the #5 fantasy defense? Sounds good. They won't have Ingram, but if rebuilding translates to acquiring Freeney with some more developed players then that is a pretty good rebuilding progression and probably end up within 10-15 points of Den after Den's drop which could have resulted in a better pick at the time given who was still available in the 7th round

[sickrubik]

SD doesn't have the same defense they had when they fumbled their way into a #5 scoring defense. Keep in mind this is hte first year under the NEW REGIME.

If you're saying that the broncos will be #6, I won't disagree. I think they'll probably beat that, but I don't think they'll be top 3 either.

Re: Doom finger circle (hot?)... I LIKE Doom, he's a beast. My point ws simply to indicate that Doom earns more from being teamed up with Miller than the other way around. Shaun Phillips (who is THE stand in for Doom on most plays) is getting the pressure on that side which is allowing Miller to get past the edge very nicely. That's all that matters ultimately, if Philips/Sly Willy/Woodyard can get some sacks in there at the same time, awesome.

The one thing that gives me a bit of a headache after the Rams/Broncos game is that we picked Sylvester Williams in the first round, one pick before the Rams picked Ogletree. Dude's going to be a beast.

[Segoris]

Still the same defensive coordinator and position coaches though for SD. Yes, a new head coach but the defense's biggest change was releasing Spikes which wasn't a bad move.

I would say Den would be the #4 defense but they have too much time without their rising star and will not be able to score as many fantasy points as they previously did.

Agree on the pick though

[sickrubik]

I am totally fine with #4-#6 for Broncos. Your earlier words came off a lot more drastic than that. Still disagree with the Bolts. I see them in the top _20_, maybe. And a lot of that estimation is that they'll just be on the field so long and so tired.

[Segoris]

I did go back and say I was in the wrong to say SD possibly over Den, but even last year SD had the same issue with an offense that is pure shit.

[MrHat]

Draft tonight.

[MuffinMan]

Shit, got home too late. I know being the last pick is going to screw me, I just know it.

[Rasix]

I FORGOT AGAIN. FML.

[Segoris]

You still have time Muffin [edit: and Rasix], and top 3 or bottom 3 usually work well. It's those middle picks that are tough imo without double dipping between rounds

Edit: Still time people! 8:30 eastern/7:30 central/5:30 pacific and no one gives a shit about mountain time. This means 6 minutes from this edit is the start of the draft

[Segoris]

Draft is done, for the person that asked: to see your draft grade go to My Team -> Roster and it will be there shortly

[MrHat]

I hate my team.

Fucking Matt Ryan and Greg Jennings.

Jesus.

[El Gallo]

Despite a Powerful Set of RBs, Roosters Seems Headed for the Lower Tier
Draft Grade: B
The poor draft position for Roosters proved too great an obstacle to overcome. After selecting 11th overall, they're projected to finish 10th in f13dotnet League with a record of 4-9-0 (1,197 points). With their first five picks, Roosters focused on balance, selecting QB Tom Brady (38th overall), RBs Trent Richardson (11th) and Alfred Morris (14th), and WRs Dwayne Bowe (35th) and Antonio Brown (59th). They have one of the most prolific triumvirates of RBs in the league, as they scooped up Richardson, Morris, and Darren McFadden to lead the way.

Lies!  I'll show them all!

btw, the Kilt Wavers are supposed to win it all.

[MuffinMan]

My bench is already breaking their legs.