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Put me no.1 on that waitlist.  I'd love to reprise my roll from 2010.

Nebu bowed out.  PM sent to you, MrHat.

In as Los Sombreritos.

It is your duty to finish 2nd in my honor!   :why_so_serious:

Yah, I'll restart that tonight.

We shouldn't.

People make sub-optimal draft decisions leading to mediocre teams in back to back years.  Just try and win this year.  It is hard enough.

Winners are usually determined by FA/waiver activity.  Fixing your team is as important as drafting your team.

If it's for the JV league say if we need another then let me know as I may have someone interested if no other F13 person wants in. If that is for the main league then I know MrHat and me are waiting, i

If it's for the JV league say if we need another then let me know as I may have someone interested if no other F13 person wants in. If that is for the main league then I know MrHat and me are waiting, i

I think it means that if you are not online to pick, it will draft for you based on the default rankings, or your own player rankings.  I may be wrong.

I reset the date, it may or may not have been there in the first place.  I don't know.  Yahoo really fucked with existing leagues this year.  

Murgos invited, Canton Redbirds kicked as they hadn't accepted the invitation yet.  I think I still have spots for 2 people or we can stick with 10.  

When do Draft Positions get announced? I can't find it on Yahoo!

Typically 30 mins before the draft starts.

Guess I'm doing 12 mock drafts.

They have mock drafts? Welp, I know what I'm doing for the next few unbusy minutes at work.

They have mock drafts? Welp, I know what I'm doing for the next few unbusy minutes at work.

Yup, yahoo fantasy has them as well!

We need to make sure we broadcast on here on Draft day so people don't skip it. That's how Haemish ended up with 2 Kickers, Eli, and Alex Smith.  :why_so_serious:

The only difference is going to be PPR vs not. .5 pts per yards vs 1 pts per yard doesn't really change rankings.

It makes possession receivers more valuable.

Following the advice and rankings lists of 'experts' will only get you to the middle of a league.  To win you need luck (i.e. injuries), good FA acquisitions, and an ability to spot sleepers.  I find that wins in fantasy leagues are made in the FA market and late rounds of the draft.

The only difference is going to be PPR vs not. .5 pts per yards vs 1 pts per yard doesn't really change rankings.

I don't see how those would affect basic rankings, aside from PPR.

6 pt thrown TD's have a significant effect on draft choice. 

Raw draft order, inclusive of all positions? Then I don't disagree, but it would be interesting to see just how much changing from 6 to 4 would change the points from last year. But again, of this stuff could really matter in the deeper rounds, but that's almost "whatever" when it comes to QB.

Changes to the WR/RB stuff is much more impactfull.

If you look at just QBs, they're all going to be affected the same way, so the points just shift. That's all I'm saying, these changes aren't really going to change which QB you draft, and given that most leagues are 1 QB. I'm not even sure if it would alter where you would draft a QB either, unless you're on the edge of Tier 3 or something.

TBH, I'd vote for just using standard scoring since I assume the autodraft rankings are based on standard scoring. So it seems that it would put autodrafters at slightly less of a disadvantage to use standard.  That being said, I don't really give a crap.  I am planning on playing excellent fantasy defense to post an excellent record despite one of the lowest point totals in the league. 

Draft Grade: D

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The poor draft position for ISIS Agents proved too great an obstacle to overcome. After selecting ninth overall, they're projected to finish 10th in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a record of 1-13-0 (1,204 points). ISIS Agents opted for balance early, selecting QB Aaron Rodgers (12th overall), RB Ray Rice (9th), WR Roddy White (29th), and TE Tony Gonzalez (49th) within the first five rounds. They have the worst quartet of WRs in the league, as they added White, Wes Welker, Cecil Shorts, and Kenny Britt.
The Season Ahead

Week 8 looks to be a tough one for ISIS Agents, as it is the week when the most players (5) and most projected fantasy points are on bye. They have the toughest schedule in the league when factoring in opponents' projected points. Along with the most grueling overall schedule, both the first four games and last four games of the season are about league-average difficulty for ISIS Agents. A soft stretch might begin in Week 8, when ISIS Agents plays projected bottom-tier teams for three games in a row.
Draft Notes

    Strongest Position: TE is one of two positional groups projected to beat their slot's league average on ISIS Agents (along with QB). Of the two groups, TE is projected to be the best unit on the squad, topping the league average for that position by 33.8%.
    Hit the Waiver Wire: ISIS Agents might need to hit the waiver wire in Week 8, as their No. 1- (Ray Rice), No. 2- (Chris Johnson) and No. 5-ranked (Ben Tate) RBs will all be resting that week.
    Earning Your Paycheck: ISIS Agents will have some hard decisions to make each week at WR, with a scant projected points difference between their third- (Cecil Shorts), fourth- (Kenny Britt), and fifth-ranked (Josh Gordon) WRs.
    Consistency Is My Middle Name: With seven consistent players among their 15 picks, ISIS Agents is looking for reliable help.
    Aging Stars: The top half of the roster (from a projected points perspective) is relatively old (ranked No. 1 in the league with an average of 8.4 years of NFL experience), whereas the bottom half is fairly young (No. 9 with 3.4 years).
    A Pair of Winners: ISIS Agents has a couple of proven fantasy champs in their lineup. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, two of their players (Ray Rice and Tony Gonzalez) finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a first-place roster.

Draft Grade: A

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Having the top pick in the draft doesn't always lead to championships. But, in this case, there is reason for optimism. Chip's green team 2 parlayed their overall No. 1 selection into this year's top draft, projected to finish in first place in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a mark of 12-2-0 (1,470 points). With their first five picks, Chip's green team 2 focused on balance, selecting QB Colin Kaepernick (41st overall), RBs Adrian Peterson (1st) and Matt Forte (20th), and WRs Julio Jones (21st) and Pierre Garcon (40th). They have the most prolific pair of RBs in the league, as they picked up Peterson and Forte for their fantasy stable.
The Season Ahead

Whether by good fortune or well-planned strategy, Chip's green team 2 has secured a favorable bye week schedule for their superstars. Of their top five players in projected points, none share a common off week. From a projected points standpoint, they have the softest slate in the league. In addition to having the easiest overall schedule, Chip's green team 2 also has the softest last four games of the season. Starting in Week 6, Chip's green team 2 will have to navigate a tricky part of the schedule, squaring off against projected top-tier teams in the league three times in a five-game span.
Draft Notes

    Strongest Position: With four better-than-average positions on Chip's green team 2, RB (14.3% above the league average) and DEF (9.1%) are projected as especially strong units.
    Earning Your Paycheck: Chip's green team 2 will have some hard decisions to make each week at WR, with a scant projected points difference between their third- (James Jones), fourth- (Emmanuel Sanders), and fifth-ranked (Golden Tate) WRs.
    The Sky's the Limit: With six players projected to significantly beat their previous year's fantasy points, Chip's green team 2 hopes to have found some up-and-coming stars.
    Risk Hater: Actuaries love the drafting style of Chip's green team 2. They minimized risk by selecting six consistent players among their 15 picks.
    Super Sleeper: With the hope of a breakout performance, Chip's green team 2 grabbed Jordan Cameron with pick No. 121.
    A Pair of Winners: Chip's green team 2 has a couple of proven fantasy champs in their lineup. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, two of their players (Adrian Peterson and Matt Bryant) finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a first-place roster.

Draft Grade: B+

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Coinciding with a juicy draft position (second overall), Carolina Beers3 had an outstanding performance. They're projected to finish second in Yahoo Public 8249 League with a record of 11-3-0 (1,421 points). Carolina Beers3 stocked up on pass-catching weapons early on, using three of their first five selections to pick up WRs Calvin Johnson (first round), Brandon Marshall (second round), and Dwayne Bowe (fourth round). That early positional investment yielded the most prolific quartet of WRs in the league.
The Season Ahead

Week 8 figures to test the depth of Carolina Beers3, as it is the week when the most players (5) and most projected fantasy points are on bye. From a projected points standpoint, they have one of the easiest slates in Yahoo Public 8249 League. Along with the third-easiest overall schedule, both the first four games and last four games of the season are about league-average difficulty for Carolina Beers3. Starting in Week 6, Carolina Beers3 will have to navigate a tricky part of the schedule, squaring off against projected top-tier teams in the league three times in a five-game span.
Draft Notes

    Best Position: Carolina Beers3 has three above-average positions with WR (25.0% above the league positional average) and TE (18.5%) projected to lead the way.
    Team of Champions: Carolina Beers3 has a lineup sprinkled with proven fantasy winners. Across all Yahoo! leagues last season, three of their players finished among the top 20 in percentage of times on a championship roster. They include Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and Drew Brees.
    Cream of the Crop: At four different roster spots, Carolina Beers3 picked up projected top-2 players (including Calvin Johnson, Drew Brees, and Brandon Marshall).
    Beginning with a Bang: Carolina Beers3 got off to a sizzling start, amassing the most projected points in the league during the first half of the draft.
    The Sky's the Limit: With four players projected to significantly beat their previous year's fantasy points, Carolina Beers3 hopes to have found some up-and-coming stars.
    Risk Hater: Actuaries love the drafting style of Carolina Beers3. They minimized risk by selecting seven consistent players among their 15 picks.

It doesn't seem to show up for offline drafts that have been inputted either.

Don't forget, draft is coming in a little more than an hour, for all you manual drafters.

WTF are you talking about? Primary league draft is Thursday.

Either I know something or I know nothing. Yahoo graded my JV draft D+. I'm thinking I did better than that - not a lot superstars but guys whose bye weeks don't overlap and who are steady points earners.

sickrubik's post after yours had me all confused.  You posted 1 hour and then he posted 2 hours.

Either I know something or I know nothing. Yahoo graded my JV draft D+. I'm thinking I did better than that - not a lot superstars but guys whose bye weeks don't overlap and who are steady points earners.

His team looks better than mine, and I got a B.

The only thing I am really annoyed about in the draft is that I grabbed Ronnie Hillman when Knowshon Moreno was still available.  I rode Moreno to a win in a league last year after McGahee went down so I know he's got the talent to be Denver's #1 back, he can catch, he blocks and he runs pretty well too.  I have no confidence that Hillman will do anything interesting this year.

Either I know something or I know nothing. Yahoo graded my JV draft D+. I'm thinking I did better than that - not a lot superstars but guys whose bye weeks don't overlap and who are steady points earners.

Either I know something or I know nothing. Yahoo graded my JV draft D+. I'm thinking I did better than that - not a lot superstars but guys whose bye weeks don't overlap and who are steady points earners.

I believe that it iis ranking it based on average projected points compared to others in that position, and who you left on the board. Ex: taking Welker who's expected to dip (and wasn't supposed to be picked until late round 5 early round 6) while leaving Andre Johnson and VIncent Jackson on the board loses points I think. While I disagree with them ranking Welker in the 60s, I do agree that he will dip a bit and will not do as well as VJackson or AJohnson. He'll ultimately be someone that will somehow be shocking and amazing that he beat projections and points of 20 people projected ahead of him

Tells me nothing.

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

Yeah, that's the thing about all 3 of those positions. They CAN win you games, but outside of 2-3 top names, they won't. Once Vernon Davis came off the board at TE, there weren't a lot of sexy picks left the way say an Antonio Gates used to be. DEF is so matchup based most of the time and kickers... that's just some foreign guy taking yet another job from an American.  :why_so_serious:

You did alright for autodraft.  Could have been SO much worse.  Manning has one of the best WR groups in the NFL.  McCoy would worry me as an injury risk and because he's on a team with no other options (will get keyed every game).  Dez Bryant... ugh.  I have a love/hate with him.  Great talent with a 5 cent head.  You need to hit the wire for RB's and WR's.  Take a gamble. 

I agree though.  I like Haemish's draft better.

Daryl Richardson, by the way, is a steal for a 10th round pick.

Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though.  :awesome_for_real:

I think Thomas is going to end up around 1500 yards, the dude is just a vertical threat and has gotten a lot more physical. I think Decker is going to miss the 1,000 mark just short, with Welker getting about the same amount of yards, but double the TDs of Decker. Possibly even more TDs than Thomas, given his role.

The thing I'm kind of pissed at is the high kicker and DEF picks.  I don't often even draft a kicker, and usually wait for a DEF until way later.   I would never have picked McCoy that early due to every single Eagles player I've drafted getting hurt on me at some point during the year.  I call it the Curse of McNabb.

Shane Vereen.. I dunno. Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though.  :awesome_for_real:

I agree.  He's worth taking a gamble on. 

PIT DEF... ugh.  Age is a problem but they have a good scheme.  Tough call on that one.

The thing I'm kind of pissed at is the high kicker and DEF picks.  I don't often even draft a kicker, and usually wait for a DEF until way later.   I would never have picked McCoy that early due to every single Eagles player I've drafted getting hurt on me at some point during the year.  I call it the Curse of McNabb.

Shane Vereen.. I dunno. Tavon Austin sounds like a dumb pick I'd make though.  :awesome_for_real:

His real Def is Denver's, not Pit though.

I would have agreed with Den being a good grab before this preseson and summer started, but now not so much. I'd rather have Cin, SD, maybe even Bal after Den lost Dumervile, are dealing with Von Miller's 6 game suspension, and Bailey's foot injury. Side note - this is also the only time I'd say Bailey's age is a factor, his recovery time, because he does not play like he's the old man that he is in this league at 35, but father time isn't fooled when injuries are involved.

And here's my lovely auto-draft. WTF is going on with my goddamn bench.

Like a Boss
1.    (8)    LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2.    (13)    Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
3.    (28)    Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
4.    (33)    Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
5.    (48)    Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6.    (53)    Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
7.    (68)    Denver (Den - DEF)
8.    (73)    Phil Dawson (SF - K)
9.    (88)    Shane Vereen (NE - RB)
10.    (93)    Daryl Richardson (StL - RB)
11.    (108)    Tavon Austin (StL - WR)
12.    (113)    Fred Davis (Was - TE)
13.    (128)    Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
14.    (133)    Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)

Yeah, you're clearly overvaluing Doom and undervaluing Wolfe and Woodyard. The defense will be different, but still very solid. I'm not sure they will make the same amount of points as they did last year, but it's a huge mistake to think they'll be bad. Look for Wolfe to get a lot of action, the dude has the talent and now has the confidence coming off his rookie year. Also, Shaun Phillips has been applying huge pressure as the replacement for Doom on the side, which is all that Miller needs. Miller has been playing great in the preseason with a number of sacks.

In the backfield, we have DRC, Tony Carter and Duke Ihenacho all playing great so far.

As for SD? I'm not sure why anyone would be excited by them. They've bled players and are in rebuilding mode, and unless the offense shows something, they're going to be playing from behind a lot. That's going to be a TIRED unit.

Despite a Powerful Set of RBs, Roosters Seems Headed for the Lower Tier
Draft Grade: B
The poor draft position for Roosters proved too great an obstacle to overcome. After selecting 11th overall, they're projected to finish 10th in f13dotnet League with a record of 4-9-0 (1,197 points). With their first five picks, Roosters focused on balance, selecting QB Tom Brady (38th overall), RBs Trent Richardson (11th) and Alfred Morris (14th), and WRs Dwayne Bowe (35th) and Antonio Brown (59th). They have one of the most prolific triumvirates of RBs in the league, as they scooped up Richardson, Morris, and Darren McFadden to lead the way.

btw, the Kilt Wavers are supposed to win it all.

Has Haem ever won?

Has Haem ever won?

I didn't say they were great hax.

My bench is already breaking their legs.

Brown broke his leg last night.

Brown broke his leg last night.

btw, the Kilt Wavers are supposed to win it all.

Basically, it seems like half the main league autodrafts. You guys are terrible.

4RB's INCLUDING SHANE VEREEN. REALLY? SHANE VEREEN?

QB Romo/Flacco
WR A.J. Green
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Michael Floyd
RB C.J. Spiller
RB Reggie Bush
TE Tony Gonzales
RB Mark Ingram
K Phil Dawson
DEF Denver (and Pittsburgh but they are already waivered)

I missed my first pick trying to connect on my phone, then drafted the first half on the go. Got home in time for the last 6 rounds or so. I was surprised at how well the mobile client worked.

AJ Green is going to be a fucking monster, and Cincy will win that division.

Are we talking fantasy points, receptions, yards, TDs? Which metric?

My prediction is 100 catches, 1500 yards, 13 TDs. Not sure where that lands in the hierarchy of WRs, but that is a monster season.

Basically, it seems like half the main league autodrafts. You guys are terrible.

He had 97 1350 11 last year. Now he and his QB have an extra year of experience (together). I don't think improvement is out of the question. Especially when you consider the defenses in their division are generally going to be worse than last year (imo).

I was surprised no one wanted Sudfield (TE NE).

It picked you to win with that?  Either the other teams are terrible or Yahoo uses a very broken metric.  Other than Spiller, I don't think there's a single guy on your team that I'd draft.  

You can quote me on this later when you have a monster season and win the league.

They have one of the most prolific sets of WRs in the league, as they scooped up Jones, Nelson, DeSean Jackson, and T.Y. Hilton for their rotation.

Shiznitz only had one above-average position grouping, WR, which is projected to beat the league mean at that slot by 5.3%.

Mr. Irrelevant: Shiznitz may know something no one else does, grabbing Justin Medlock, who is on a squad in less than 10% of all Yahoo! leagues (0%).

Mr. Irrelevant: The choice of Justin Medlock with the 165th pick gave Shiznitz the worst pick of the last round in terms of projected points.

1.    (9)    Darren Sproles (NO - RB)
2.    (12)    Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)
3.    (29)    Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
4.    (32)    Victor Cruz (NYG - WR)
5.    (49)    Robert Griffin III (Was - QB)
6.    (52)    Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE)
7.    (69)    Michael Turner (Atl - RB)
8.    (72)    Mike Williams (TB - WR)
9.    (89)    Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K)
10.    (92)    New England (NE - DEF)
11.    (109)    Bernard Pierce (Bal - RB)
12.    (112)    Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
13.    (129)    Michael Crabtree (SF - WR)
14.    (132)    Heath Miller (Pit - TE)
15.    (149)    Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE)
16.    (152)    Danario Alexander (SD - WR)

When a bottom-half draft slot yields top-half results, that's the sign of a strong effort by the GM. Such was the case with Chalupa Batman, which flipped its ninth overall pick into a projected fourth-place finish in 4 chicks with 6 dicks League (9-5-0, 2,058 points). With their first five picks, Chalupa Batman focused on balance, selecting QB Robert Griffin III (49th overall), RBs Darren Sproles (9th) and Jamaal Charles (12th), and WRs Andre Johnson (29th) and Victor Cruz (32nd). They ended up with the best pair of RBs in the league, as they added Sproles and Charles.
The Season Ahead

With the most players (5) and most projected fantasy points on bye, Week 10 is shaping up to be a tricky one for Chalupa Batman. From the perspective of opponents' projected points, they have an easier-than-average slate. Along with having the fourth-easiest overall schedule, Chalupa Batman has the easiest first four games of the season. Starting in Week 3, Chalupa Batman will have to navigate a tricky part of the schedule, squaring off against projected top-tier teams in the league three times in a five-game span.
Draft Notes

    Strongest Position: With three better-than-average positions on Chalupa Batman, K (16.4% above the league average) and DEF (12.2%) are projected as especially strong units.

    Cream of the Crop: At three different roster spots, Chalupa Batman picked up projected top-2 players (including Darren Sproles, Rob Gronkowski, and New England).

    On the Decline: With five players projected to score significantly fewer points this season than last season, Chalupa Batman will be hoping that the pundits are wrong.

    Digging Deep: Aaron Hernandez is owned in less than 10% of all Yahoo! leagues (6%). Perhaps he will reward Chalupa Batman for their faith.

    All Their Eggs in One Basket: The fantasy hopes of Chalupa Batman might rest heavily on the fortunes of the New England Patriots, as they have four of them on their roster.

Michael Turner is a free agent.

Gostkowski is out at least 3-4 weeks.  Crabtree may not be back before the playoffs (achilles surgery).  Sproles is MAYBE the 13th best RB.  Pierce goes undrafted in most leagues.  Miller had knee surgery late last season and isn't even on the depth chart.  I'm not sure when he's coming back.

You need to make friends with the waiver wire.  STAT!

In one sentence you tell him to get rid of Pierce, but then tell him to get RBs.  :oh_i_see:

You mean Gronkowski (TE) not Gostkowski (K). 

Yahoo claims I am going to be 0-13 according to my draft.  I cannot wait to tell them to go fuck themselves when I win game 1 this week against Murdoc.

yeah, NFL's fantasy stuff is... less than ideal.

The even funnier point being that it's better than it has been in the past. 

Just realized our league is 6 points per passing TD.

Enjoy that 60+ game!

I'm not saying a word.  :grin:

While we're at it, why don't everyone with the initials "CJ" just go fuck themselves.  Unproductive spunk buckets.

You need to make friends with the waiver wire.  STAT!

I seem to have made all the right moves in both the leagues except that I left Boldin on the bench in the JV league. It doesn't appear that I will need his points but that shit won't happen again.

Ah, week one.

Let's see how I did...

Roddy White, Eric Decker, Maurice Jones Drew and Zach Sudfield have so far combined for 12 points.  Yay fantasy?

In other news, good-bye Sudfield don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm starting to believe that Haemish is a sports book for a Mississippi river boat casino.   :awesome_for_real:

I want to get an opinion from the Brain Trust.
Fact list:
RGIII is playing against Green Bay.
Clay Matthews is completely pissed off.
Eli is playing Denver.
I haven't looked into Denver's defense yet.

Who would bench RGIII and put Eli on the field for week 2?

More likely, it just means Aaron Rodgers is going to throw 18 touchdowns.  

More likely, it just means Aaron Rodgers is going to throw 18 touchdowns. 

Also, I see I am going to have the unenviable task of figuring out over the next few weeks what to do with Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson, who are both on my bench (they scored big, obviously).  I mean, I doubt there are many situations where I would be in my right mind and move Drew Brees to the bench, but damn if I won't be tempted over the next few weeks.  I am sure that defenses will figure this thing out eventually, but that fast paced offense is probably going to score a lot of points over the next several weeks.  If nothing else, maybe it makes DeSean a viable option.  Maybe.  Fuck.

I didn't see it before the redesign but Yahoo is all-around ass.  People say NFL.com is worse?  What about ESPN?

-Yahoo's waivers (when trying to claim people before they're available) is crap in comparison to ESPN, but with a free for all waiver wire that isn't as important. If we ever switch to no claims until Tuesday and the waiver order starts mattering then it would be noticeable.

Am I crazy in thinking about playing KC's defense at home to the Cowboys, as opposed to playing Seattle at home to San Fran?

League I'm in scores defense on Points against, yards against, sacks, and turnovers.

Am I crazy in thinking about playing KC's defense at home to the Cowboys, as opposed to playing Seattle at home to San Fran?

League I'm in scores defense on Points against, yards against, sacks, and turnovers.

I'm not following on the first part of your claim. (Edit: Pun not intended.)

KC played Jacksonville, who may be a team that goes 0-16.

KC is one of the most improved teams from last year, but I would be very careful with counting on them too much.

It's the difference in UI, maybe they upgraded it and I'll try again next week but in comparison how it was laid out and how it was buried in Yahoo was shit in comparison. As for intuitive, the system itself is but where it's located in comparison is not. With ESPN as soon as I go to a player list it would show my pending waivers, Yahoo's just is not as clean.

It's the difference in UI, maybe they upgraded it and I'll try again next week but in comparison how it was laid out and how it was buried in Yahoo was shit in comparison. As for intuitive, the system itself is but where it's located in comparison is not. With ESPN as soon as I go to a player list it would show my pending waivers, Yahoo's just is not as clean.


As for KC vs Sea thoughts - it's not crazy imo, because KC when healthy is a good defense. The simple rule of thumb which is why you shouldn't starat them is because anytime Seattle is the home team you play their defense and be mindful of who you start against them. While Kaep is good, remember his worst game so far was in Sea last year and when he put up 19/36 for 244 yds 1:1 td:int and only 31 rush yards. That was week 15, so he had some experience by that point. Even with a better WR1 and more chemistry with Davis now Sea is still a must start. I'm actually having to consider not starting Boldin and/or Davis because they're playing @Sea.

Again, shittier UI is shittier is all I'm sayin'. The way Yahoo does list pending waivers, where they list them, etc is done in a worse way.

Still amuses me that Jacksonville coach looked at Blaine Gabbert and said, yeah he's better than rolling the dice on Tebow. I'd have fired him and brought in the circus.

They list them on top of your roster. Where does ESPN list them?

The method you listed above is dependent on league settings, which you even mentioned... so when it comes to doing the actual method of adding a waiver and where it lists, I just have ZERO idea of how that happens, but that's one of the things I've never had an issue with Yahoo, so it surprises me.

I was at that game last year. The atmosphere was INSANE. The 49ers were definitely rattled. Game is another 5:30 PM start, so the crowd will be a drunken mess again. Going to be a very tough place to run an offense.

On another note- Yahoo's recap is still there, it just takes longer than I remember to be available and there isn't a link on the home page of the league. View the matchup and find a recap link

Roosters would have lost to every other team in the league this week.

All eight players in the starting lineup scored less than their projected points.

That's pretty much why I'm feeling around to get a sense if there's a chance the Bengals will shut down the Steelers, which my gut tells me is higher than the Lion shutting down the Cards.

Droods would have lost to just one other team besides Like a Boss this week.

I like the Bengals D a lot.  I think they have some maturing to do, but their core skill set and ability is going to be the foundation for that team.  Detroit is much more emotional.  They're as likely to have a great game as they are a terrible game. 

I have a similar decision to make myself:  Do I start SF (great defense) against a strong opponent (SEA) or do I play Baltimore against the weaker CLE team?

Ravens.

That's pretty much why I'm feeling around to get a sense if there's a chance the Bengals will shut down the Steelers, which my gut tells me is higher than the Lion shutting down the Cards.

The Bengals D will fuck the Pitt O hard. The Pittsburgh offense is basically the Rapist running for his life like one of his bar dates. The Lions, OTOH, have a great defensive line but their defensive backfield let Minne-fucking-sota put up 27 points, with AP only scoring one rushing TD and getting 20-something yards after his first play from scrimmage got him a 78-yard TD. Go with the Cards.

I like the Bengals D a lot.  I think they have some maturing to do, but their core skill set and ability is going to be the foundation for that team.  Detroit is much more emotional.  They're as likely to have a great game as they are a terrible game. 

I have a similar decision to make myself:  Do I start SF (great defense) against a strong opponent (SEA) or do I play Baltimore against the weaker CLE team?

Did Yahoo ditch the game synopsis thing as part of their really shitty redesign?  Because I liked that.  It was entertaining.  I am not entertained by the useless 'Brandon's Big Board' that is still welded onto a prime spot on the front page.  Did I mention I think the redesign is really, really shitty?

Toyota Missed Opportunities by Murdoc's Bandwagon

    Had the foresight to snatch up Philip Rivers, who scored 31.55 points to rank fifth in the league in scoring, but unfortunately left him on the bench.
    Picked up Shane Vereen, who scored 17.47 points against a projected 9.35, but left him on the bench.
    It was not a good week for Murdoc's Bandwagon at TE, where they were beaten 18.97 - 6.23.
    Of the 8 starters on Murdoc's Bandwagon, 5 underperformed versus their projections.
    The New England Patriots Defense fell short of their scoring projection with 5.00 points, just 38.9% of their projected 12.84.

And once again, I have Vick and DeSean on my bunch putting up huuuuge numbers, even in a loss that was messy and sluggish, at least in the first half.  I think Reggie Oldasshit Wayne is going on the bench for sure in favor of DeSean. 

I am not biting on the Eagles hype just yet, but the NFC East is a complete mess.  It will just take consistency from one team to take the division.

I hope you beat me.  My main league team is sad and needs to be reminded how bad they are.

My JV league team, however, can just keep on winning.  We're good.

After a week 2 loss (FUCK YOU MARSHAWN), I'm moving some people around since I had way too many points on my bench.  Currently I'm not ready to burn a waiver just on the chance I might get someone better than my current starters, but I'll be cruising the free agents when the become available.

Once again I'm looking at RGIII being the best choice over Eli, generally speaking, but Washington is playing Detroit while NYG is playing Carolina.  Eli could really bring home the bacon, provided he doesn't eat a bunch just prior to the game and start flipping balls to the other team.  I'm going to have faith in RGIII again, surely he's going to catch fire soon.

It's less clear in the rest of the team.  I probably have my starters already, but of course I'm going to consider moving them around until the last minute.
QB - RGIII
WR - Andre Johnson
WR - Victor Cruz
RB - Darren Sproles
RB - Jamaal Charles
WRT - DeAndre Hopkins
WRT - Martellus Bennett
K - Gostkowski
D - New England

BENCH
WR - Andre Roberts
WR - Mike Williams
WR - Emmanuel Sanders
TE - Gronkowski
RB - Bernard Pierce
QB - Eli Butterfingers

I'd like to use Roberts and Sanders but at the moment I'm not convinced they can top any starters.

Yep.  While looking around, I see Cordarrelle got 24.30 which is shitty since I dropped his ass on Sep 11 like a fucking moron.  So there's that.

I have to decide if I want to play Phillip Rivers, Sam Bradford, or RG3. I have to pick 2.

My quandary this week is at QB.  Cam is being started by 77% of leagues but Schaub is at 11%.  Of course, so far it should have been the opposite and I only grabbed Schaub on a lark after the draft.  Cam is at home, though, against the Giants.  I think I will probably stick with him again.

Ewwwwwww... I'll take the Crab Juice.

All I know is that everyone should grab the Minnesota D this weekend. 





Whoops, I already did!

Because they were already really interesting for anyone without Sea/Chi/SF/Den this week, now they're just that much more interesting. And oh yeah, in the shadows of this trade is also the news that Hoyer is starting since Weeden is injured. Their entire offense right now is Joe Thomas. :why_so_serious:

They'll still have a decent RB. Look, I'm not saying Browns were going to do good no matter what, but Minny was already a top 10 with a big upside (but also a deep floor) DEF play this week already. I just don't know what about this news would make it suddenly OH GOD GO GET THEM RIGHT NOW.

If you didn't have a good DEF already, you should have already picked up Minny anyway, is largely my point.

It's an IRL friend of mine, and at the end of the game they're at 24 points. I don't think anyone saw that good of a point total against Philly....holy hell.

Whoever picked up the KC Defense last night right after the game in the main league...

Up yours, I had the same idea.  :awesome_for_real:

I hope KC gives up a million points now, lol.

I ended up okay with 26.70 to 24.00, but halftime was a to totally different matter and had me sweating.

Well, Vick might be playing better in Chip Kelly's offense but he's still a turnover machine and Kansas City has one of the better defenses in the league.  It's not that surprising.

So of course I decided to not start Josh Gordon because of the Cleveland QB situation.  :oh_i_see:

Edit: Cleveland seems to be in "Fuck it, we have nothing to lose" mode.

Cam Newton had an absolute disaster last year against the Giants and has not shown the ability to win big games yet in his NFL career. I'd start Schaub even against the Ravens D.

Jesus Christ, I sincerely apologize for this awful advice. Fuck me, how bad is this Giants team?

So of course I decided to not start Josh Gordon because of the Cleveland QB situation.  :oh_i_see:

Edit: Cleveland seems to be in "Fuck it, we have nothing to lose" mode.

Jesus Christ, I sincerely apologize for this awful advice. Fuck me, how bad is this Giants team?

What do you need?

What do you need?

I'm willing to talk about a deal for Brandon Marshall, I have WR talent behind him (Roddy White has been unplayable due to injury but getting better), and I have nothing I respect at QB right now.

Bleh, didn't expect the Davis scratch.  Not that he would have gotten great points with how Caepernick and 9ers are doing.  Nicks getting nothing didn't help either.   I need a favorable Monday night game or I'm going to drop 2 to Haem.

Trade proposal sent.

I completely forgot to check on Ray Rice before the games. Woke up at 10:17am and checked my phone...WELP.

Kids just wreck fantasy football.  I didn't even check until the game was over.  2 birthday party weekend.

Meh it occurs to me that Sam Bradford technically has more points when I look at the comparisons. I just hate the kid. I'll have to think about it.

Shopping around Cameron and Gronk since our flex is only W/R and not very flexible W/R/T.

JV league, right?  What are you hoping to get in return?

Meh it occurs to me that Sam Bradford technically has more points when I look at the comparisons. I just hate the kid. I'll have to think about it.

Been a day for wheeling and dealing the main league.  :grin:

Anybody got any other trades they want to start throwing out in either league?

I like that option actually. Accepted.

 :heartbreak:

Was about to trade to you for Marshall. 

Apparently you can only have one trade offer in at a time.

I expect my W3 streak to end this week.  I don't usually listen to Yahoo player scoring predictions, but when I am the underdog at almost every position, it is unlikely to be a good weekend.  Plus my Eagles are going to get fucking mauled by Denver.

You also have had an incredibly low points against so far.

Feel free to tell me I'm full of shit here.  Eli might come back in week 4, but I'd like to see some proof before I replace RG2.5 with him.  He's come back from terrible starts in the past and gotten rings, but will he turn it on this year?  Meanwhile I'm confident that Griffin's mind and body aren't going to magically heal over the next couple weeks, so he's likely to remain consistent.

I think RG3 is also going to play Oakland, so there is that.  Eli will have a rebound, but I don't think so just quite yet...he is going into KC, and the Chiefs have something real going on there.  Eli might just get stomped again.  So I would go with RG3.  He is not healed, but he seems to be on an upward trend.

Glad I didn't make that trade  :awesome_for_real:

Fuck Brandon Myers.

Your offer is interesting, but I can't play anybody on the Giants the way that thing is going, and White will get healthy by Week 8.

What If
Los Sombreritos would be 3-1 if they played Russell Wilson's War every week.
Los Sombreritos would have been undefeated if they played every team in the league this week.
Had they played each other last week, Los Sombreritos would have defeated Russell Wilson's War 92.18 - 72.46.
If they played the same schedule as Russell Wilson's War, Los Sombreritos would be 1-2.
If Los Sombreritos had played every team in the league each week, they would be 31-13.
Russell Wilson's War would not have lost to any other team in the league besides Los Sombreritos this week.
If they played the same schedule as Los Sombreritos, Russell Wilson's War would be 1-2.
Russell Wilson's War would be 29-15 if they played every team every week.

Very important... No Calvin Johnson today, so if you have him, fix it.

I added Doug Martin and Lamar Miller to the Trading Block.  Willing to consider comparably ranked WRs.

Brutal week for you man.  Double IR.

JV league - #4 TE Antonio Gates for sale, looking for a top 12 WR

JV league - #4 TE Antonio Gates for sale, looking for a top 12 WR

I'm still open for a trade. Its just going to take a lot to get Thomas out of my hands. Jordy Nelson and to a lesser extent AJ Green are much more likely.

Trade proposal sent. Owen Daniels to the goddamn IR didn't help me.

I think you can get guys like Wallace right off the waiver wire depending on how deep the league is.  Disclaimer: I'm a lifelong Dolphins fan and have been terribly unimpressed with Wallace, so there's that.

Welker straight up for Gates is a terrible trade. I've never relied on Yahoo's calculator. Welker's upside is far greater than Gates, and the Gates downside is far lower. Additionally, a one for one trade you want to make sure you're going to make up the difference with the new player. That ain't happening in this case. Especially given that it's his highest scoring skill position player.

Wallace for Gates is an equal trade.

‏@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN: Despite Rob Gronkowski having another week of full practice participation, @Patriots no longer expect TE play vs Saints

Wallace is owned in 90% of Yahoo Leagues, so I call BS on how probable it is you're going to be able to pick him up off waivers. He has indeed underpeformed, but the upside/value is there. You can't argue the lack of value of Wallace and then say Welker is only slightly better at the same time.

Welker: 31 receptions for 315 yards (10.1) and 7 TDs (88.00)
Wallace: 22 receptions for 281 (12.77) and 1 TD. (45.10)

In short, Wallace has big upside being a WR1, while Welker has a higher floor and a higher ceiling, making his value much higher.

Gates: 32 for 438 yards (13.68) and 4 TDs (70.80)

So, saying Wallace is closer to a better one for one than Welker says more about Welker than it does about Wallace. I might be able to agree that it may take Wallace + Something to get to Gates, but I would probably want something else to come with Gates as well.

I would in no way trade Welker staright up for Gates.

Wallace is owned in 90% of Yahoo Leagues, so I call BS on how probable it is you're going to be able to pick him up off waivers. He has indeed underpeformed, but the upside/value is there. You can't argue the lack of value of Wallace and then say Welker is only slightly better at the same time.


So, saying Wallace is closer to a better one for one than Welker says more about Welker than it does about Wallace. I might be able to agree that it may take Wallace + Something to get to Gates, but I would probably want something else to come with Gates as well.

I would in no way trade Welker staright up for Gates.

We never seem to be far apart in opinion, but we still never agree so why start now? :why_so_serious:

Gave up my JV game as a loss before monday night- I was down a couple points with only Adam Vinatieri left against Trent Richardson. Got a nice surprise when I checked it again today and saw I actually won, and my kicker scored 13.

First overall, 6th in points  :drill:

I feel that this is something I am not going to maintain.

Trade sent, it's more just aimed at the players I'm interested in so counter with what you'd want for them

I'm up for trades if you want any of my skill guys. I think at this point being a cellar dweller is a given.

First trade done for Garcon.

I countered with the things I need. A top tier WR, a TE that isn't ass, and a solid Defense.

This season has had a lot more front office action. I like that.

Like a Boss registered the second-highest point total in the league this week on the way to their third straight win when they beat Kaep'd Crusaders 116.60 - 81.97. The streak is due in part to Like a Boss having the highest scoring output in the league at 125.47 points per matchup. To make matters worse, Kaep'd Crusaders had a starter score zero points (Jimmy Graham). Kaep'd Crusaders stays put in fifth place with a 3-3 record. Like a Boss is in first place, having now run over Grover City Crows (110.83 - 109.24) and Endzone Lurkers (152.76 - 77.77).

 :drill:
 
Cobb out for a while.  That's going to hurt.

JV: All three WR1s are up for trade, and any of my depth at RB. Looking for upgrades at TE and possibly QB.

Bench him for now, if you have the space. He'll likely be out for 6-8 weeks, but could be good for those final weeks.

•Of the losses Russell Wilson's War has had, three were against opponents who topped their season scoring average that week.

Bench.  I'm pretty thin.  I don't have a lot of room for error with this bunch.  Injuries could end up derailing this train.

Sent you an offer.

I'm thinking that NE won't bother to put Gronk on the field against the Jets.  Anyone have an alternate theory?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/10/18/new-england-patriots-growkowski-cleared-to-play-against-new-york-jets/3007751/

yeah, I'm not sure why the Pats wouldn't play Gronk.

Took a chance on Foles this week.  Whoops!

And the pattern keeps on going. If anyone wants to have a record week for their team, in the main league, they just need to be playing against me :why_so_serious:

I won this weekend because Haemish's defense completely shit the bed.

WIN'S A WIN!

Fuckers.

That was a MONSTER hit.

Yahoo really needs to create the possibility for responding with a comment in the trade section without needing to accept/reject/propose in order for the other party to see the comment :oh_i_see:

I love trading, but I'm having a hard time coming up with two team improvements in our league.

I like the idea of trading but in practice I don't have anything that anyone wants that isn't a starter.

It kind of depends on the league and the teams, but a lot of times people don't understand that giving up something is required to gain something.

The idea of a good trade isn't about getting equal player value, it's about getting a significant improvement at a position where you have a weakness.  Most people in FFL lose sight of this.  

It's also about desperation. The bottom half teams should be initiating the trades.

When considering a trade, forget Yahoo projected points.  Those are shit.

Damn you, Ginger Gorillas.  How the fuck was Heyward-Bey a free agent?  Nice snatch.

I drafted Keenan, and now I look like a genius instead of a Cal homer.  :heart:

Thought I was closing in on the Kilt Wavers and then Denver decided to crush it on D.

Here's to hoping that SEA can't score TDs in the redzone...5 times tomorrow!

And Murdoc left his DEF open with Cinci putting up 25 from the bench.

OK - Time for some big trades:

Demariyus, Charles and Gronk on the block.

Is it weird to expect top level talent for Jamaal Charles?

The draft continues to pay off for Shiznitz, which got 70.8% of their points from players they drafted.

Three of the six losses for DrunksOnGrass this season have come when their opponent had their highest-scoring week of the season.

This is the worst part of head-to-head leagues, but I still prefer them to outright points leagues.

Originally hoping I could get a top 5 QB, but I'm seeing now that is impossible so he's off the block.

Back to initiating trades.

IMO Points races are the better indicator of who had the best team. H2H is too flukey/luck-oriented.

The highest scoring overall team doesn't always win in the NFL.

H2H is the only thing that makes sense. The highest scoring overall team doesn't always win in the NFL. It's a week-to-week thing.

IMO Points races are the better indicator of who had the best team. H2H is too flukey/luck-oriented.

My point is that H2H values players that are consistently good, rather than a team of bang or bust players in favorable matchups.

There's also the two game a week format where you get a win/loss for H2H and a win/loss for top half/bottom half of weekly points.

Andre Johnson, 49.90 points :awesome_for_real:

At some point the Colts got wise to Keenum's antics but it was a sweet ride up to that point.

My F13 team is so deep.

I forgot when you make a trade you have to put them in the new slots, too.

So Foles is on my bench.

My poor team is just epically terrible this year. I can't imagine even looking them in the eye during our end-of-season meetings.

Does anyone trust Ray Rice to bounce back this year?

So, my lineup right now is:

QB - Rivers, Rodgers
RB - Rice, Spiller, Morris, Stacy and Andre Brown
WR - Decker, Jackson, Cooper and Bolden
TE - Gates, Reed
K - Nick Novak
Def - Kansas City

I could use lineup tips this week, since Stacy's out and my receivers are super inconsistent this year.

E: I could probably grab Ben Tate right now, too, if that looks like an improvement.

Two RBs, Vincent Jackson, and yeah, that in.

Thank god in the primary league we only have 1RB slot.   This  season is exactly why I don't like 2RBs in 12 man leagues.

I'll share my observation that there are approximately ten people in the entire NFL that are worth a shit.

With the way the NFL plays now, I think having 2 RB slots is just irresponsible. There are 9 guys in the league who have over 600 yards on the ground this year so far. After that? It's a marked falloff as the next 20 guys range from 565 down to 388 yards. Meanwhile, there are 22 guys with over 600 yards receiving, and 40 guys with 500+ yards.

With the way the NFL plays now, I think having 2 RB slots is just irresponsible. There are 9 guys in the league who have over 600 yards on the ground this year so far. After that? It's a marked falloff as the next 20 guys range from 565 down to 388 yards. Meanwhile, there are 22 guys with over 600 yards receiving, and 40 guys with 500+ yards.

Yeah that's a good point, but then we're evaluating them as receivers. Which at that point, why even lock people into picking RBs? Just put a flex in there.

Yeah that's a good point, but then we're evaluating them as receivers. Which at that point, why even lock people into picking RBs? Just put a flex in there.

Fake edit for Ingmar: my league split the difference and went with .5 PPR.  I think a whole point for a catch is just too much because it overvalues a catch for just 1 or 2 yards.  I'd love for there to be a setting where you don't get the PPR at all if a catch goes for no gain or negative yards.  It annoys me when someone gets a catch for -2 yards and still ends up with positive points.

Even in a 1PPR league, a reception for -2 yards would still be negative points. The PPR would only "negate" one of those negative yards.

2 RB slots is fine, it just relies on depth and scouting deeper backs.

A RB in an RB slot still gets receiving yard points. I'm really not sure I understand the problem here.

Even in a 1PPR league, a reception for -2 yards would still be negative points. The PPR would only "negate" one of those negative yards.

2 RB slots is fine, it just relies on depth and scouting deeper backs.

A RB in an RB slot still gets receiving yard points. I'm really not sure I understand the problem here.

The general point to the basic structure of fantasy teams is to somewhat follow what a common offense setup would look like. And the split-back/pro set formation includes both an RB and HB.

My problem with 2 RBs now in a deep league would be that so many backs split time, and the position has been so diminished in the NFL, there's nowhere near the position depth there to warrant two backs.

Unless it's in a PPR league, which I think are total horseshit anyway.

That's true of any competitive game. Fantasy football may not be for you, just like a lot of shooters aren't for me. :P

What I love out of deeper leagues is that my knowledge of the game has increased exponentially the more I've gotten into FFL.

That's true of any competitive game. Fantasy football may not be for you, just like a lot of shooters aren't for me. :P

What I love out of deeper leagues is that my knowledge of the game has increased exponentially the more I've gotten into FFL.

In a 12 team league, do you think that RBs #13-24 are worse than WRs #37-48?

Do you own any of them? Because I don't in the varsity league this year.

I've made the argument against TE's before as well.