Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The marvel film universe has already established that costumes are not to be a thing.  Other worldly outfits and uniforms are acceptable and to be honest most costumes can easily be converted into a real world analogue see:Batroc. 

[eldaec]

Of the current avengers with their own films, 75% have a costume, and 25% are the hulk. Just saying.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Iron man is a suit of armor, as I already mentioned Thor counts as armor/uniform and Captain America, Black widow as well as Hawkeye are all "uniform" versions of their comic counterparts.  You can call them costumes if you like but they are all different from their comic versions.  In fact only the hulk is in the exact same outfit as the comics.

You can define costume loosely enough that any military is wearing a costume if that's what you want to do but spandex super heroes simply don't exist in the world they've created.

[jgsugden]

The marvel film universe has already established that costumes are not to be a thing.  Other worldly outfits and uniforms are acceptable and to be honest most costumes can easily be converted into a real world analogue see:Batroc. 

Do you mean someone has said something to that effect, or that they have not used them to date outside of those circumstances?  They're doing a slow progression from 'reality' to 'comic book reality', as far as I can tell.  They want to build to a world of costumed heroes, magic and galactic threats... but it will be a build.

[Velorath]

And yes, Evil Grant is definitely a lot more interesting. Skye still bothers the shit out of me, but the Mary Sue nickname was a good little bit of self-deprecating humor by the writers. They are getting better. Also glad to see them bring in an actual Marvel super-villain (the darkforce guy in this one is actually Blackout from the comics) even if he didn't have a costume. I want more costumes.

Blackout's costume in the comics is pretty horrible though so it's probably for the best the didn't go with that.

[jgsugden]

We've clearly hit that point where comic outfits from the 80s also need to be mocked. 

I think the future of their costuimers will not be based upon Spandex, but will instead be more 'armor' or functional outfits that reference the comic outfits thematically.  See the pictures of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch that have leaked online for where I think this is headed.

[Threash]

We've clearly hit that point where comic outfits from the 80s also need to be mocked. 

I think the future of their costuimers will not be based upon Spandex, but will instead be more 'armor' or functional outfits that reference the comic outfits thematically.  See the pictures of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch that have leaked online for where I think this is headed.

You can already see this is what they are doing, everyone in "injustice gods among us" is wearing armor like costumes.

[Fordel]

Iron man is a suit of armor, as I already mentioned Thor counts as armor/uniform and Captain America, Black widow as well as Hawkeye are all "uniform" versions of their comic counterparts.  You can call them costumes if you like but they are all different from their comic versions.  In fact only the hulk is in the exact same outfit as the comics.

You can define costume loosely enough that any military is wearing a costume if that's what you want to do but spandex super heroes simply don't exist in the world they've created.

Captain America is totally wearing a costume.

[jgsugden]

True on Cap, but his outfit was designed to be a costume initially.  Everything they've put him in that wasn't his WWII outfit has been a unifoirm version of the costume.  His 'costuming' might be the thing that triggers the costume craze to come...

I'm thinking Daredevil is going to be the tipping point.  Once we see his outfit, we'll know where they're headed.

[HaemishM]

I still think Luke Cage should totally show up in a yellow open-necked shirt with a chain belt. 

[jgsugden]

I still think Luke Cage should totally show up in a yellow open-necked shirt with a chain belt. 

Shouldn't everyone?

[Fordel]

Luke Cage is just going to be dressed like a regular dude. Plain Yellow T-Shirt and blue jeans is my bet.

[Margalis]

Thor and Captain America both wear costumes.

I think the mindset that you need to get ride of the costumes for the sake of realism or turn Galactus into an evil cloud (yes, I know the cloud is from the Ultimate line) is dying. I expect some of that to still happen for outlandish attire, but I think Marvel has learned to embrace their super heroes rather than try to distance itself from them. Ultimately these movies are successful because people like super heroes, including their visual elements.

Hawkeye's comic book costume was always ugly as fuck and if he works for Shield it makes sense for him to wear Shieldy attire rather than garish purple shit. I except that sort of thing. And some costumes that look good on the page just aren't going to look good on film or need certain concessions.

I think the future of their costuimers will not be based upon Spandex, but will instead be more 'armor' or functional outfits that reference the comic outfits thematically.  See the pictures of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch that have leaked online for where I think this is headed.

Very few real-life humans look good in full spandex outfits. The same is true for large flowing capes. Some things just don't work in film.

[eldaec]

I'm sure there will be garish costumes, but just not spandex specifically.

"Spandex" effects in comics are only really a stylistic choice to allow illustrators to draw body parts. I seriously doubt any writer ever thought of lycra as a uniquely suitable material, I'm guessing they just wanted something tight.

[Fordel]

Drawing actual clothing is hard and time consuming.

[Raguel]

"Huh". 

I missed the first 8 min or so. Very good episode nearly ruined by a cheesy, laughable scene that was supposed to be suspenseful . I can't believe I actually like Skye now.  Angryvengeful Skye is best Skye.

[Velorath]

"Who or what is a Man-Thing?"

[Tannhauser]

Holy shit Skye is actually a decent character now.  Great scenes tonight, especially Skye/Ward.  Unfortunately it looks like they may redeem Ward which I'm totally against.  At least kill him off saving Skye, don't bring him back to the team with a 'lesson learned' handwave bullshit story.

The nice quiet ending with them homeless at the motel was a nice touch.  What Coulson doesn't yet get is that he IS Shield now, at least until Fury re-ignites it next week.
Having them fugitives and on the run was a good idea, it's really knocked everyone off their nice little character perches.

Name dropping Man-Thing pleased my inner fanboy.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, I had to rewind to hear the Man-Thing reference. That was awesome.

I am so glad I stuck with this show. It's still not GREAT but it has gotten good. Scorned Skye is definitely better Skye. I'm really digging where they are taking Fitz as a character, and new Black Ward is more likeable than old stiff White Ward.

[Tannhauser]

Do you think White Ward was that way because of bad acting or Black Ward's 'bad acting'?

[HaemishM]

Intentional acting on the part of White Ward.

[Velorath]

Yeah, I had to rewind to hear the Man-Thing reference. That was awesome.

Between that and Man-Thing's wife in IM3 you get the impression that somebody behind the scenes must love themselves some Giant Size Man-Thing.

[Evildrider]

I hear lots of ladies like giant sized man things as well.

[Riggswolfe]

Holy shit Skye is actually a decent character now.  Great scenes tonight, especially Skye/Ward.  Unfortunately it looks like they may redeem Ward which I'm totally against.  At least kill him off saving Skye, don't bring him back to the team with a 'lesson learned' handwave bullshit story.

Ward has gone too far over the line to be redeemed in my opinion. The only possible method to do it is for it to be mind control or some kind of blackmail, like his brother has one of those head bombs in him and if Ward doesn't toe the line, little brother's eyes turn bloodshot, permanently. I don't think they've set up the second at all so really the only chance for redemption is the first. Ward's killed far too many people for them to accept him back if he decides to switch sides. He's killed fellow shield agents, innocent civilians and police officers.

One thing they might do is make him a somewhat sympathetic recurring villain. Sort of a Magneto style character who is usually opposed to their goals but doesn't try to kill them and who will, if needed, team up with them for a short time.

[Ghambit]

Ward will be killed, then they'll pull a TAHITI on him like Coulson and his "bad thoughts" will be removed while he's being resurrected.

[Abagadro]

I could see that happening. It would be stupid, but I could see it.

[Threash]

Cept for the part where they blew up the alien.

[Abagadro]

Nothing is ever "gone" in comics.

[kaid]

Cept for the part where they blew up the alien.

Given the aliens biology brought coulson back from the dead I am guessing there is a good chance when not hooked into those machines in time it may regenerate back to full health on its own. Now being trapped under a mountain is likely to make it a bit more ill tempered.

[jgsugden]

I'm just pleased that we've reached a point with several options that could be executed in an interesting manner... and that Joss Whedon has enough of a hand in it to make it painful.

Because Skye just saved his life, and because he was her 'trainer', I'm going to go with Skye being forced to use lethal force to stop Ward from doing something bad... but him resurfacing down the road with a different explanation than alien resurrection juice. 

[Ghambit]

Skye will become Death, and Ward will be her bitchboy between stints with Thanos - after the show migrates to HBO.   

[Lakov_Sanite]

I'm just pleased that we've reached a point with several options that could be executed in an interesting manner... and that Joss Whedon has enough of a hand in it to make it painful.

Because Skye just saved his life, and because he was her 'trainer', I'm going to go with Skye being forced to use lethal force to stop Ward from doing something bad... but him resurfacing down the road with a different explanation than alien resurrection juice. 

And then ward becomes a good guy and they fall in love until ward gets a spin off show on another network.

[Raguel]

I really hope Evil Ward is here to stay. Nothing good can come of anything else IMO.

[Father mike]

I really, really want to be wrong on this.  But I'm betting that the Sif-Lorelei show was there to establish that mind control is definitely a thing, and it will play into Ward's arc.  Somehow.  With a big fat Asgardian McGuffin in the middle.

 

[Velorath]

The doesn't really work well with how they're playing things so far. They've made it clear the Ward feels like he owes Garrett and also that he buys into the idea that Hydra isn't actually evil (his reaction when Skye calls them Nazi's). Seems more likely that they're going with some tragic backstory for Ward.