Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Take your own advice, this can only end in anger and bitterness.  Look to the new Daredevil, to Luke Cage kicking ass in New york.....

[jgsugden]

Take your own advice, this can only end in anger and bitterness.  Look to the new Daredevil, to Luke Cage kicking ass in New york.....

My own advice does not apply to me: I do not hate the show.  Despite my disappointment that it has not reached the potential they established, I still look forward to it each week.  I hoped that this show would be a 10.  It has the potential to be a 10.  Right now, it is an 8 in my book.  

Despite my reservations, I think this show is better than 95% of the primetime shows (both in terms of Network shows only and in terms of all shows regardless of Network - Cable has had some amazing shows that blow MAoS away, but have had hundreds of flops for every success) to have premiered since 2000.  This is espcially true when you compare the first 10 of any given show to the first 10 of MAoS.

And, btw - we do realize that this is the most successful new network show of the year - and that it had the highest ratings since the premiere last night, right?

[Lakov_Sanite]

and duck dynasty blows it out of the water, your point?

[Ironwood]

Yeah, it's still coasting from Avengers viewership.  This is entirely expected.

It's still not Good.

[Hayduke]

If you hate the show now, get out.  I'm not kicking you out, but offering sincere advice. The core of the show is locked in this season.  It won't change.  Use your time elsewhere.  If the show picks up and you're sad you missed it, you can always Netflix/On Demand/etc... it.

If you only want to talk about the show with people from F13 who like the show I think you'd be better served by just opening a word document and typing down your posts there.

[MahrinSkel]

Hey, I like the show.  I don't think it's completely living up to its potential, but it's well worth watching as it is, and there's good odds it will get better (and it has the ratings to get at least another season or two to try).  I just don't see any need to argue about it.

--Dave

[eldaec]

Can we stop asking people on f13 to stop discussing either marvel or star wars. You might as well ask the rain to stop falling.

[jgsugden]

...If you only want to talk about the show with people from F13 who like the show I think you'd be better served by just opening a word document and typing down your posts there.

I explicitly did not say I wanted people to stop talking or stop watching - I'm just dumbfouynded by the people sticking their %@$# in the meat grinder.

I watched the premiere of Sleepy Hollow.  I thought it was mediocre.  I gave it two more episodes because the premise looked interesting.  Those did not impress.  I saw some flaws that really bother me (laws of magic that don't make sense, etc...), so I expressed my disappointment on F13 and went on my merry way to focus on shows I do enjoy.  I may poke my head back into the F13 forum in 2014 and see if the show got better.  Beyond that, why the %@$# would I spend any time discussing it?  Or arguing about it?

I get that MAoS has a different situation because of the comic/movie ties.  However, they've been clear that the movies will not rely on the shows.  Winter Soldier was locked into form before MAoS was filmed.  If you think MAoS will significantly impact GotG, you're in the extreme minority.  The movies/comics are not a good excuse to keep watching something you think is %@#$.

[Velorath]

...If you only want to talk about the show with people from F13 who like the show I think you'd be better served by just opening a word document and typing down your posts there.

I explicitly did not say I wanted people to stop talking or stop watching - I'm just dumbfouynded by the people sticking their %@$# in the meat grinder.

I watched the premiere of Sleepy Hollow.  I thought it was mediocre.  I gave it two more episodes because the premise looked interesting.  Those did not impress.  I saw some flaws that really bother me (laws of magic that don't make sense, etc...), so I expressed my disappointment on F13 and went on my merry way to focus on shows I do enjoy.  I may poke my head back into the F13 forum in 2014 and see if the show got better.  Beyond that, why the %@$# would I spend any time discussing it?  Or arguing about it?

I get that MAoS has a different situation because of the comic/movie ties.  However, they've been clear that the movies will not rely on the shows.  Winter Soldier was locked into form before MAoS was filmed.  If you think MAoS will significantly impact GotG, you're in the extreme minority.  The movies/comics are not a good excuse to keep watching something you think is %@#$.

Try being a Bioware fan. People spent 3 years shitting up the SWTOR thread who never had any intention of playing the game.

[jgsugden]

...Try being a Bioware fan. People spent 3 years shitting up the SWTOR thread who never had any intention of playing the game.

Yeah, but that game deserved it.  Complete trash.  Worst thing ever. 

That is the Tetris game, right?

[Tannhauser]

It's got issues, but I'm sticking with the show.  Looks like they are bringing back the first guy they found for next episode.  I like that.  Ward's slightly better with his little subplot.  Skye quite correctly pushed to a secondary role.  Fitz/Simmons are pretty fun and Coulson is Coulson.  

[Ironwood]

and Coulson is Coulson.  

AHA, BUT IS HE !!?

Wait.  I don't care.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Saying Coulsen is enough to carry the show is funny because it's like making a Buffy spinoff completely devoted to Xander.  Charming character, snappy one-liners and everyone loves him, what could go wrong? Also see:pirates of the caribbean 2-4

[Typhon]

Can we stop asking people on f13 to stop discussing either marvel or star wars. You might as well ask the rain to stop falling.

I think he's saying he'd like to talk about the show with people who like it, instead wading through all the repeat"this is ASS!" drive-bys, that we're getting here in every thread on f13.  I mean really, how many times do people need to say the same fucking thing?  At least have something new to say.  "Usefully Cynical" != "enjoys pissing on stuff other folks like".

[MediumHigh]

I'm guessing over half this forum is mostly nerds bashing games, tv shows, and republicans. Without that you have the book thread, bat country, and why I'm still single. Consider this, tv shows that are actually good like justified and board walk empire, get crickets, popular shows like breaking bad are popular, and shows in the middle of terribly bad or surprisingly good get 6+ pages of attention. If no one was debating this show, we'd move on to something people should probably hate but like anyway.

[Surlyboi]

Fuck you in your backwards ear.

[jgsugden]

Fuck you in your backwards ear.

$325 an hour.

I was literally asking exactly what I was asking with no ulterior motive: Why the fuck keep watching and complaining about a show you hate?  I really don't get it.  I don't mind debating the show with people, but it is weird to me how many people hate this show, keep watching it, and then rehash the show by writing their opinion of it over and over.  It is kind of freaky.

[MediumHigh]

Lolz. Everyone says "I don't have a problem with debate" is always lying to themselves. They want to circle jerk or cry troll. Instead of wondering why people keep talking about a "bad show", you should be wondering what the show has to do for people to stop watching it and stop wondering if it'll get better. Because there is a breaking point where a show gets so bad that any interest in talking about it is literally sucked out, like supernatural. But honestly there isn't enough active members to carry the type of happy go lucky circle jerk some folks are expecting and still have an hour to hour discussion.

[Abagadro]

You have been here a year. A large percentage of us having been talking to each other for well over 10 years.  I don't think you are particularly qualified to pass judgment.  


Edit: clarity

[Ironwood]

Well over.   

[Tannhauser]

I think some folks hate-watch TV.  They hate the show, watch it, then rush to post their disgust.  Then set their DVR's for next week.  Maybe they want the show to be something it's not.  So they are disappointed. 

[Ironwood]

I genuinely can't imagine anyone doing that.

[jgsugden]

Lolz. Everyone says "I don't have a problem with debate" is always lying to themselves...

Holy generalizations, Batman.  Let me get this straight.  Is it that nobody in the world likes to debate, or is it that the only ones that do like a good debate feel a need to keep their debate desires a hidden love? 

You can do better. 

[Ghambit]

There's really nothing to analyze here.  The simple fact is people wanted a great live-action comic/heroes show and we haven't gotten it yet.  Twas the same reason people watched (and complained endlessly about) 'Heroes.'  AoS is no different.  It's like buying the latest MMO based on some hopeful Falconeer BiiF-post; and playing it a month with the hope that it'll pan out at endgame... and throughout the process complaining until one day you realize you're the only one in the zone and hence unsub.

Personally, I think it's dumber to flat-out not watch the show at all because you blindly assume the show is bad.  Give it a shot, give it some time, and bitch if you wanna.  That's the way this works.

Of late however, I've been taking stock of every hour of my day and eliminating waste.  Yup, even football (try being a phins fan).  AoS to me is pretty much on-the-bubble and about to be demoted to "something I do when I've got nothing the fuck else to do and want to watch something mildly geek."

[Merusk]

I think some folks hate-watch TV.  They hate the show, watch it, then rush to post their disgust.  Then set their DVR's for next week.  Maybe they want the show to be something it's not.  So they are disappointed. 

I was watching because the son wanted to watch and we both play games while doing so. This past week I realized it was on and he'd gone downstairs to watch that snail movie with his mom instead.  When I asked him why he didn't want to watch AOS with me, he said it was "boring."   We're done with it, next week I'll be watching Brooklyn 99 instead and happier for it.

[Numtini]

Some of us, I think somewhat of a minority on this board, are big Joss Whedon fans and were expecting a lot better. I rode Dollhouse all the way to its controlled collision with the earth and I didn't last four episodes on this one.

[Surlyboi]

Fuck you in your backwards ear.

$325 an hour.

I was literally asking exactly what I was asking with no ulterior motive: Why the fuck keep watching and complaining about a show you hate?  I really don't get it.  I don't mind debating the show with people, but it is weird to me how many people hate this show, keep watching it, and then rehash the show by writing their opinion of it over and over.  It is kind of freaky.

My response was to medium, who's become a perrenial troll up in this proverbial piece. His "loldebate" response which you responded to pretty much proves it.

That said, I don't dislike the show, I just think it could do much better.

[jgsugden]

Fuck you in your backwards ear.

$325 an hour.

My response was to medium, ...

Fine.  $300 even.  You're a tough negotiator.

[Surlyboi]

Negative. I live in New York. I can find a fairly hot ex-model/heroin addict that'll let me do it for free.

[jgsugden]

Negative. I live in New York. I can find a fairly hot ex-model/heroin addict that'll let me do it for free.

$275?  My meth junkie kids need a fix.

[Teleku]

Who knew ear fucking was so costly.......

I haven't watched any of this show.  The response in this thread and across the internet is all i needed to know though.  A snappy marvel super hero series involving shield really shouldn't be hard to do.  If it was written half as well as the Avengers, it would be awesome.  The fact that there is so much hate for it, with a minority only managing to say its 'ok', and a tiny amount of people saying they like it, damns it to hell.  Its an easy formula that has a lot of money behind it, with access to the creative team that managed to make one of the most entertaining super hero movies ever, and they have no excuse for both nerds and the general populous not liking it. 

Not going to bother with it, way to many other things to watch and do.  A shame really, such wasted potential.

[Tannhauser]

A little snip from tvbythenumbers (bold mine):

"Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (8-9pm – 9.3 million and 2.5/7 in AD18-49): At 8pm, ABC’s Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. spiked 35% week to week in Total Viewers to deliver its 2nd-biggest-ever audience and was up for the 2nd week in Adults 18-49 (+4%) to equal a 5-week high (since 10/22/13).  S.H.I.E.L.D. was the #1 series in its time period with Men 18-34 for its 9th consecutive first-run airing and continued its run as Tuesday’s #1 TV show with Men 18-49."

So a lot of geeks may be checking out but 'regular' dudes seem to like it.  It only lost to Rudolph this week.  That fucking radioactive deer is srs bsns. With Brooklyn 99 moving away I think it now controls its timeslot for this season.

[Merusk]

I hadn't seen that Fox midseason lineup.  Nice, makes me happier because I only watch New Girl and Brooklyn 99.  When Glee returns it'll be in a convenient hour block.  Here's hoping Mindy and Dads remain.. 'on hiatus.'

[Surlyboi]

Come on, Roxxon oil, people!

[TheWalrus]

Here's hoping Mindy and Dads remain.. 'on hiatus.'

Can't stand Mindy, but Dads is a chucklefest for me.