Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Venkman]

Nerds and Geeks bitching about nerdy and geeky things should never, ever, EVER be considered a valid argument for anything, much less actually used.

I'm the first to point out how business could give a shit about the whining of the niche when the dollars disprove every point of nerdrage ever raised.

But come on man, making a statement that sweeping pretty much calls to question 90% of every conversation had, including all non-sponsored barking on twitter 

[MediumHigh]

This thread is like supernatural. You mostly browse the forms for hints that they've actually done something with the material.

[Velorath]

Velorath you've sort of lost the plot here.

No, I just disagree with you on some things, and then you brought in a different argument from a different thread where you continue to misrepresent what my point was and despite knowing better I responded to you. Mind you I haven't even watched the last three episodes of AoS, and I think the only really good movies so far have been IM1, Cap, and Avengers, so I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue at this point.

[Ironwood]

Well, it passes the time.

[Riggswolfe]

The same ones who bitched about a different batman when Keaton was replaced,

Wait, seriously ?  Who did that ?

Back in the 90s - I did.  Of the Pre-Bale era, I still think Keaton was the best and bitched about it on message boards when they recast the role.  He was surprisingly good.

This is the first time I've whole heartedly agreed with you. Keaton is the best Batman of all I have seen. Heck, put him in Chris Nolan's first two movies and I'd be in heaven. (I pretend DKR was just a weird fever dream!)

[MediumHigh]

DKR on the hate list? Begins was bad, not burn the franchise bad but maybe never needed to be made to begin with bad.

[Margalis]

I don't think recasting a part or Iron Man saying he wanted to be an advisor then being a full-fledged member qualify as continuity issues.

The former is just an aspect of the medium. The latter may be sloppy writing and planning but it's nothing that can't easily be explained by a line of dialog or an implied event that took place offscreen. And Midichlorians weren't a contituity issue, they were just dumb.

Most movie series don't last long enough or come out frequently enough for continuity to be a major issue. I also think that in the end when people go to see a movie what they want is the best 2-hour experience, not the best experience that seamlessly works with a 2-hour experience they had a year earlier. The way people consume movies lessens how much continuity matters.

[MahrinSkel]

^^This.  Most people don't go into a movie having just watched every other movie in the same series, nor do they have the details engraved in their memory.  You know how many people actually cared that Ed Norton had been replaced by Ruffalo?  Even less than cared that Norton had played the Hulk a couple of years after some other guy.

A movie can be bad enough to damage a franchise, but only when it is a really bad movie on its own merits.  Recasting, continuity errors, 99% of the audience doesn't care about that shit.

--Dave

[UnSub]

Poassibly, but TV execs care if TV shows lose their audience rapidly. If AoS doesn't perform well, it puts the plans of other Marvel TV shows on ice.

I'm still watching AoS for the unintentional laughs. Things like superhacker Skye hacking SHIELD and getting a job on the team, but scruffy boyfriend hacking SHIELD sees him tossed homeless and partly shackled in another country because Coulsen obviously doesn't think he'd look as good in a wet t-shirt. Or the team of specialists that are barely functional.

And secret agency SHIELD having their logo over computers, water bottles and cars.

If it wasn't Marvel and Whedon and a comic book show, I probably wouldn't be watching. All it will take is a change in timeslot and I'll probably lose interest.

[Margalis]

Poassibly, but TV execs care if TV shows lose their audience rapidly. If AoS doesn't perform well, it puts the plans of other Marvel TV shows on ice.

The problem with SHIELD isn't continuity, and even if you grant that maybe they are reserving all the cool (read: all) superheroes for the movies to avoid continuity problems that still doesn't explain why it's bad - in the end it's just not a good show. I don't know if the Man From U.N.C.L.E. meets A-Team meets X-Files approach makes that much sense, but this isn't even a good execution of that formula.

The show is losing a lot of viewers and I assume it's not that cheap to make, especially compared to reality TV.

I would guess at Marvel there's a lot of debate about whether the problem is lack of recognizable relevant characters or simply show quality. Would not shock me at all if the rumored 5 other shows Marvel is offering get reworked / pulled.

[Evildrider]

Well another big problem with their ratings is they are up against NCIS and The Voice.  Both of which are big programs for their respective TV stations in the 18-49 brackets.

[Ironwood]

^^This.  Most people don't go into a movie having just watched every other movie in the same series, nor do they have the details engraved in their memory.  You know how many people actually cared that Ed Norton had been replaced by Ruffalo?  Even less than cared that Norton had played the Hulk a couple of years after some other guy.

A movie can be bad enough to damage a franchise, but only when it is a really bad movie on its own merits.  Recasting, continuity errors, 99% of the audience doesn't care about that shit.

--Dave

Yeah.  It still amuses me that people think Captain America being The Human Torch is in any way A Thing.  No-one gives a ratfuck.

[Threash]

Recasting, continuity errors, 99% of the audience doesn't care about that shit.

--Dave

People do care about recasting, nobody ever gave a shit about Hulk.

[Ironwood]

I know you were going for the funny, but that's just not right.  It hasn't been right in ages.

Sometimes they say they care, because they think it's the wrong guy, but they don't care.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Changing Bruce Banner in different continuity is fine but if they recast Ruffalo in Avengers 2 it would be incredibly jarring.

[Ironwood]

Maybe, but that's only because Ruffalo really, really OWNED that role.  It'll be like the next Batman, or recasting Loki.

But I put it to you that if the next guy did it fine, no-one would care, not really.

[Nevermore]

I hear that when they recast James Bond, it totally tanked that franchise.

[Threash]

I know you were going for the funny, but that's just not right.  It hasn't been right in ages.

Sometimes they say they care, because they think it's the wrong guy, but they don't care.

I think people would have cared plenty about recasting if Iron Man had been recast instead of the one character nobody gives a shit about.  Or if they had tried to use a different Joker in the third Batman.  You could recast every single of the dwarves in the next Hobbit movie and no one would bat an eye, but try to use a new Gandalf and see if people don't care.

[tazelbain]

But the reason no wants to recast RDJ as Iron Man is there is almost 0 chance you can get someone as good at it as him. And the reason no gives a shit about continual recasting of Hulk is Edward Norton(miscast) and Eric Bana(can't act) were horrible. People only care about the end result, re-casting sometimes make it worst sometimes better.

Man, Eric Bana was so bad, it made his abusive, psychopathic father look sympathetic.

[Ironwood]

I said all this.

 

[Threash]

But the reason no wants to recast RDJ as Iron Man is there is almost 0 chance you can get someone as good at it as him. And the reason no gives a shit about continual recasting of Hulk is Edward Norton(miscast) and Eric Bana(can't act) were horrible. People only care about the end result, re-casting sometimes make it worst sometimes better.

Man, Eric Bana was so bad, it made his abusive, psychopathic father look sympathetic.

Ruffalo was good and i don't think anyone would give a shit if you put Bana back in.

[Bunk]

I hear that when they recast James Bond, it totally tanked that franchise.

Did you see On her Majesty's Secret Service?

[eldaec]

Yes, it was easily in the top third of Bond films and both a critical and financial success.

[Tannhauser]

If Affleck acts good, the script is good and the direction is good, everyone will accept him as Batman.  Daniel Craig was accepted as the new Bond because of this. 

[Evildrider]

Soo for those wondering, the Nov. 19th episode of AoS will have some Thor 2 crossover.

[jgsugden]

Soo for those wondering, the Nov. 19th episode of AoS will have some Thor 2 crossover.

Yeppers.  No Thor actors overlap, but the episode centers around the ramifications of the film.  I'm guessing they'll be visiting that site we've seen in the trailers.  Glad to see it... but I would have been surprised not to see something like it.

[Velorath]

Early info makes it sound like it's a crossover in the same sense that the pilot would be a crossover with Iron Man 3.

[jgsugden]

Early info makes it sound like it's a crossover in the same sense that the pilot would be a crossover with Iron Man 3.

Yep.  Makes sense that a S.H.I.E.L.D. team would be there to clean up after the action...

[Ironwood]

So I just watched the Graviton episode and I'm struggling to figure out what you people are complaining about.

This is cheeseball kiddie stuff, clearly aimed at an audience that's either ok with that or, more importantly, Not Most Of This Board.

And that's ok.

It's bad.  But not BAD.

[Khaldun]

Right. Sort of.

It's why I don't entirely mind the resemblance (in my mind) to The Six Million Dollar Man. I can imagine being very excited about it as a 12-year old, though maybe 12-year olds are more jaded nowadays. I almost wish it was making more knowing use of the cheeseball feeling. But that's where the issue of its relationship to the other Marvel properties come in. I haven't seen anything as remotely self-aware as the USO sequence in the first Captain America film yet in the series. Some of what they could do isn't about budget and it's not about nerd-desire that they have an episode where they have Paladin or the Texas Twister show up and audition to be a SHIELD agent.

[Mrbloodworth]

I hear that when they recast James Bond, it totally tanked that franchise.

Did you see On her Majesty's Secret Service?

"That would have never happened to the other guy"

[Ironwood]

You only get away with that because you're Bloodworth.

[Mrbloodworth]

So I just watched the Graviton episode and I'm struggling to figure out what you people are complaining about.

This is cheeseball kiddie stuff, clearly aimed at an audience that's either ok with that or, more importantly, Not Most Of This Board.

And that's ok.

It's bad.  But not BAD.

Its F13, who take joy in not liking anything.

[Mrbloodworth]

You only get away with that because you're Bloodworth.

Eh? That's a quote from the movie. Like, the opener.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XNBpIkQpU


Sorry, "This never happened to the the other fella".

[Ironwood]

Yes, I know.

Also mentioned a third of the way up the page.