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Reply #35 on: March 20, 2013, 05:04:15 PM

*flips the switch on the holophonictransinducer*
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Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 05:26:47 PM

Well said.

No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 05:46:24 PM

Pretty schmucky statement from a guy hoping to get a game published. I'd like to say I'm surprised. But really, how much more reptition will it take before we stop being surprised by people who built their careers on self promotion who turn out to be jerks?

I mean seriously, the most interesting thing here is that there's a new front page article,  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

 DRILLING AND MANLINESS Yahoo! DRILLING AND MANLINESS

Oh how I've missed the voice of Eric son of Schild on the front page.

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Reply #39 on: March 20, 2013, 05:57:13 PM

I'm sure he regrets that comment about everyone but him and Chris Roberts sucking, but yeah... hard to imagine a more douchebaggy statement or a more ridiculous person for it to come from.

I liked Hartsman's comment: "Hoping the recruiter at Portalarium gets overtime. And hazard pay."
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Reply #40 on: March 20, 2013, 06:12:27 PM

That felt good.

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Reply #41 on: March 20, 2013, 06:19:25 PM

I agree with most of what he said, minus the "than me" part. I think it's fair to say that many games have very little design thought put into them, at least into the core of the game and not just peripheral elements like slightly different weapons. Many of the biggest games don't really have game design - they have level design and encounter design and such, but the core game design is essentially identical to other games in the genre.

That said, framing it as a comparison of his own design abilities vs everyone else's was truly bizarre. As a designer he hasn't been relevant since like Ultima 6 or so. The same is true of Chris Roberts - who IMO has never actually designed a good game, but if you accept Wing Commander it's still mid-90s.

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Reply #42 on: March 20, 2013, 07:11:50 PM

What's going on? Why has the front page been updated? IS THE END UPON US? *screams and runs away waving his hands in the air*

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Reply #43 on: March 20, 2013, 07:36:44 PM

Where does this yellow icon at the top of the forums lead me?

To a post that is gold.

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Reply #44 on: March 20, 2013, 08:58:23 PM

I think the rattail and Ultima VIII should have been the first fucking clue.

I was thinking of VIII.  The one with the jumping.  The fucking jumping.

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Reply #45 on: March 20, 2013, 09:06:32 PM

Let's be clear about the true point of Kickstarters like these: it's promotion that actually earns money.

Right now Kickstarters are hot and any game developer with some kind of known gaming franchise / brand / history behind them can start one off and get easy gaming press attention. Games sites know that Kickstarters are easy copy to write: "Today GamesPlace Games, a studio founded by Alan Smithee, creator of such famed titles as War Shooter and Shooter War, announced a Kickstarter for their next project Shooting War." In an era of publishing 50+ new stories a day on gaming site, these articles are easy copy and grab eyeballs.

Plus it offers the chance for at least one follow-up interview (if not a Chris Taylor-style media blitz) and then articles about the progression of the Kickstarter.

It's not always 100% effective, but even the ones that fail raise old names up out of the mists of time - when was the last time game sites were interested in talking to Brenda Romero before that Kickstarter?

And when it works: it's money in the bank AND lots of free promotion. I'm not sure how much it would have cost Garriott to go down the traditional route of having PR send out press releases, organising interviews, site tours, et al, but a Kickstarter approach has actually earned the studio money.

This is the future. When even fully funded games are being Kickstarted (Pathfinder Online even told backers they were fully funded, but that the extra money would make the game bigger while also delivering it faster- think about it) you'd be stupid if you were running a studio to not go down this path.

I'm sure that some people will say that they back Kickstarters so that the games they want will get made, but in cases like these the studios / people behind them can probably afford to get the game funded without Kickstarter.

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Reply #46 on: March 20, 2013, 09:21:46 PM

Yes, we (or at least I) understand all of that. But it makes Garriott look like a big 'ol douchebag (and not just because the game will suck). I know Kickstarter will take all the money all the time, but frankly, they should turn down some of these. They're not Kickstarting anything here. They're being a PR machine, and that's weak.
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Reply #47 on: March 20, 2013, 10:08:00 PM

Money can quickly change one's "values".
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Reply #48 on: March 20, 2013, 10:09:30 PM

Yuppppp.
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Reply #49 on: March 20, 2013, 10:12:59 PM

Money will cause one to forsake virtues?

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Reply #50 on: March 20, 2013, 10:37:11 PM

Yes, we (or at least I) understand all of that. But it makes Garriott look like a big 'ol douchebag (and not just because the game will suck). I know Kickstarter will take all the money all the time, but frankly, they should turn down some of these. They're not Kickstarting anything here. They're being a PR machine, and that's weak.

I said this ages ago and got flamed.  Now Garriott does it and somehow it's douchey.   Head scratch
It's a model destined to fail and leave a lot of very deserving startups without funding.  Fucks like Garriott think that money grows on trees and the millions they suck from donation models and/or equity funding will somehow magically get replaced for all the people truly skilled enough to take advantage of said funds.

In the end everyone loses and we get left with shitty products from aged, long-since-irrelevant designers.  This goes for hardware as well as software.  It's shameful.  Kstarter is the main culprit because the reality is they can't say 'no' to the money.

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Reply #51 on: March 20, 2013, 11:05:07 PM

I know I havent been here in years, but Schild, are you in SF for GDC by any chance? I just got a job as a designer at Storm8 over here like last week. I would love to bring you to the Kongregate or Storm8 GDC parties and buy you a beer or 12 for writing and posting that epic piece of awesome.

Also, today at work we talked about this shit all day (Garriott's comments, not yours, though I'll link this around tomorrow). I mean, I think I'm a lazy piece of shit, so I don't disagree with the man -- but I think he's a complete fucking waste of existence and if I cross paths with the son of a bitch I'll take the assault charge for a bar brawl. The rat tail is coming off mid-fight. I dont care if thats a girl move, I cant let it stay on there.
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Reply #52 on: March 20, 2013, 11:29:42 PM

I think what I would most like to have, seer artifact wise, is a sort of a crystal ball or seeing lode that allows me to look into a person's alternate dimension where they get an inexplicable one-off megasuccess. That way I could watch what they do with both the fame and the fortune, and it would be a pretty effective lens into who they really are as a person.

We're just inexplicably stuck in the alternate dimension of garriot's inexplicable megasuccess, so
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Reply #53 on: March 20, 2013, 11:59:46 PM

May I just say, I love this is signed as f13.net. Like we all had a part in it. Makes me feel good if all I got to do was say holy fuck the front page changed.

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Reply #54 on: March 21, 2013, 01:29:47 AM

I hope he gets to read this, and whilst shrugging it off as normal internet vitriol, a little quiet part inside himself cries and his 'fools and their money' boner wilts just a little. Too bad "Ultima: Fantasie Generica" will still get made though
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Reply #55 on: March 21, 2013, 01:31:50 AM

Rich people are cunts, it's how they get to be/stay rich. Good article Schild.

"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Reply #56 on: March 21, 2013, 03:36:22 AM

Rich people are cunts, it's how they get to be/stay rich. Good article Schild.
I dunno, its good for Schild maybe but It's just a stream of insults directed at a guy who would never ever to read it. 
Those who agree already know it, but the unwashed masses who need to read it probably won't - so basically preaching to the choir.
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Reply #57 on: March 21, 2013, 04:04:46 AM

At first, I thought the front page got hacked.

Kickstarter. Hum de dum. It seems to be equally about generating that all important buzz as much as raising money for projects. You see some crazy enthusiasm for some kickstarters, and enthusiastic people are easier to fleece.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?



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Reply #58 on: March 21, 2013, 04:06:55 AM

Money will cause one to forsake virtues?

Thou hast lost an eighth!



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Reply #59 on: March 21, 2013, 05:39:12 AM

What's also annoying is that if they claim they want to use Kickstarter as a way of "gauging interest", they could have just used Steam Greenlight and not taken money.

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Reply #60 on: March 21, 2013, 05:42:06 AM

I've greenlit quite a few games I've ended up not buying, simply because I thought they looked like games I would've bought if I had the time.

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Reply #61 on: March 21, 2013, 06:19:44 AM

Good stuff.

The Kickstarter thing is so egregious, so awful. Him being a douchebag about other developers and so on, eh, it's annoying but he's hardly the only person annoying in that way. But the misuse of Kickstarter is in a little concentrated way just about everything that's wrong about the American economy right now--fuckers with money finding every loophole, every exploit, every cheat, everything they can whore and corrupt and break, just so they can have more money. Fuckers with money socializing risk and privatizing profit.
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Reply #62 on: March 21, 2013, 06:48:16 AM

Knee jerk class warfare rhetoric

If the people, however misguided or ignorant, are giving their money voluntarily, it's not socialism.
Using Kickstarter to fleece the gullible is deplorable, sure, but let's don't mar this otherwise awesome thread with political dogma.

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Reply #63 on: March 21, 2013, 07:08:10 AM

Mmmm. This was like a warm, fuzzy draught of the mid-2000s f13 all over again.

We need to go crash GDC parties or something again, Schild. Those were the days.
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Reply #64 on: March 21, 2013, 07:47:58 AM

Knee jerk class warfare rhetoric

If the people, however misguided or ignorant, are giving their money voluntarily, it's not socialism.
Using Kickstarter to fleece the gullible is deplorable, sure, but let's don't mar this otherwise awesome thread with political dogma.


He starts the rant with a quote from Gordon Gekko, dipshit.
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Reply #65 on: March 21, 2013, 08:26:27 AM

Fucking lolworthy.

Nice work.
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Reply #66 on: March 21, 2013, 08:39:23 AM

Knee jerk class warfare rhetoric

If the people, however misguided or ignorant, are giving their money voluntarily, it's not socialism.
Using Kickstarter to fleece the gullible is deplorable, sure, but let's don't mar this otherwise awesome thread with political dogma.


He starts the rant with a quote from Gordon Gekko, dipshit.

Gordon Gekko is a fictional character. And whatever Stone might have intended, Gekko had a point.
But I don't think that's why that quote is in the article. I think the point here was to say that Garriot is greedy. (Maybe I'm missing something, and maybe we don't need to deconstruct the article in the first place.)

But back to your retort. Do you think that a quote from an Oliver Stone movie opens up the field to populist rhetoric? Because I think it's possible to call Richard Garriot a greedy, manipulative, incompetent douchebag without it.

Or are you just mad because I called your duckspeak "knee jerk"? I could have called it a non-sequitur instead, would that not have hurt as much?

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Reply #67 on: March 21, 2013, 09:37:59 AM

That is one of the tenets of staying rich. Risking other people's money. Most "startups" don't need VC money but the founders would rather fail with money other than their own. If they failed with their own money they might drop back down the totem pole. Having other people reality check ideas when it's their money on the line is also helpful.

And what Kickstarter really does for these big projects is create a group of rabid fanbois. If you wanted to build that same group of fanbois from scratch it would cost hundreds of thousands of marketing dollars and months of time. Kickstarter gets people to pay to be fanbois. Now they have to keep an eye on their preorder/donation for two years (and talk about it to their friends).

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Reply #68 on: March 21, 2013, 09:54:41 AM

I don't know if people are sending me paypal cash because of the screed, or diverted from the kickstarter, or they just want me to take more people to task. Either way, thanks gentlemen. Like Garriott, I'm not above handouts. Unlike Garriott, I can't fund gaming studios with the actual cash in my wallet. Or from a private sale of Russian aerospace gear.
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Reply #69 on: March 21, 2013, 09:56:13 AM

I already disliked Kickstarters policies, but I agree that video games on Kickstarter are the lowest of the low from people with net worth over $1M. You can collateralize a real loan jackleg, interest rates are in the toilet.

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