NFL 2013

[Cyrrex]

Top third?  Curious how you measure that one, because I don't think there is much to back that up.

I agree that he is doing "well", but that's about it.

[ghost]

His QBR is 13.
His DYAR  is 14.
His WPA is 9.

I'd put him at about 10-11 on the NFL QB power rankings list. 

[HaemishM]

Yeah, the same argument could be made for Wilson...they had a year of tape on him too, but it hasn't made a difference.  And it isn't like Luck lit up the league last year anyway, he was towards the middle/bottom of the QB pack.  Russel has been at the top of the list both of his first two years.  Another thing that is clear about Wilson is he is a Big Game player.  When the spotlight is on him, he absolutely tears shit up.

I really think you are discounting the team Wilson is on way too much. Seattle's defense has been ELITE the last two years. Indy's defense has shown flashes of competence at best. The amount of time these two guys spend playing behind in the score counts a great deal for how well they do in the passing game. Also, Wilson has always had a top 10 running offense - Indy's best back over Luck's two years has been Donald Brown. Just this season, Luck has throw over 100 more passes than Wilson, last year Luck threw almost 300 more passes. That means Luck was constantly either trying to make up for their defense giving up points and being put in more 3rd and long situations than Wilson. Pure numbers - yes, Wilson is the better QB and the stats reflect that. However, I think it also shows that a lot of Indy's success has been the smoke and mirrors of good coaching as well as Luck's ability. Wilson is in a better situation that puts a lot less pressure on him to win ballgames, since he can always just hand it off to Beast Mode or get points from the special teams/defense. Whereas if Luck has a bad day, Indy has nothing behind him to back him up.

[Paelos]

Jacksonville is playing Houston on Thursday Night Football.

In unrelated news, the guy who did the scheduling at the beginning of the season is now a greeter at Walmart.

[Mithas]

I don't know, I watched the whole game and didn't think it was that bad. Everyone was looking forward to Seattle-New Orleans and that game was a stinker.

[ghost]

People actually like and follow New Orleans though.  Nobody gives a shit about Jacksonville or Houston, even if they're good.

[Paelos]

It was literally the worst match up you could have in the NFL by record and point differential.

[ghost]

And in inherent "give a shit" about the teams.

[HaemishM]

And Houston keeps pole position on next year's first round draft pick, which will be a QB I'm sure will do nothing but disappoint.  

[ghost]

I'm going to recommend that they draft Johnny Football.

[MrHat]

Clowney and Watt.

[sickrubik]

Sounds like Kubiak is on the way out today.

[Paelos]

Sounds like Kubiak is on the way out today.

Good, he needs to focus on not dying.

[sickrubik]

Using "health concerns" as the reason is just about the best PR side step you can do.

Hopefully he takes the rest of the yea off, and then when Adam Gase gets picked for a HC someplace else, we can welcome Kubs back into the fold as our new OC.

Yup, presser under way. Kubiak out, Wade Phillips interim HC.

[ghost]

Wade Phillips will take them places.

[Tannhauser]

Yeah, all the way to the Golden Corral lunch buffet.

[Paelos]

Wade Phillips. 

[Trippy]

The Cowboys wish they had Wade Phillips back.

[Paelos]

No we don't.

[Trippy]

Yes, you do

The two best Cowboys seasons in the last 18 years (!) were coached by Wade Phillips.

[Paelos]

Did we win a Super Bowl? No?

That's all we care about.

[Trippy]

The last time you went to the playoffs was with Wade Phillips and the last time you won a playoff game in 17 years (!) was with Wade as well. In other words your chances of winning the Super Bowl were much much higher under Wade Phillips than Jason Garrett. There are, of course, better coaches than Wade around but none of them are willing to work for Jerry Jones.

[ghost]

Wade Phillips is just about the most imposing motherfucker on the planet.





 

[Paelos]

The last time you went to the playoffs was with Wade Phillips and the last time you won a playoff game in 17 years (!) was with Wade as well. In other words your chances of winning the Super Bowl were much much higher under Wade Phillips than Jason Garrett. There are, of course, better coaches than Wade around but none of them are willing to work for Jerry Jones.

The chances of winning a super bowl with either are close to zero. I don't really care if Wade is .0002 and Garrett is .0001, it's still shitty with either at the helm.

Dallas went 15 years between Super Bowls the last time, and now it's even longer. It doesn't mean the fans don't still use it as the benchmark of success. This isn't Cleveland.

[HaemishM]

The chances of winning a super bowl with either are close to zero. I don't really care if Wade is .0002 and Garrett is .0001, it's still shitty with either at the helm.

The Cowboys' problem with the Super Bowl has nothing to do with their coach, and everything to do with Jerry Motherfucking Jones. As long as he's setting the team lineup, you could resurrect Zombie Vince Lombardi with Jesus Christ as OC and Muhammeed as DC and they still won't win a Super Bowl.

[Tannhauser]

Yeah, but after all these years, you'd think SOME football would rub off on JJ. 

[Mithas]

His ego gets in the way of any actual knowledge.

[Paelos]

Jerry doesn't understand how to draft in the offensive trenches. This has been the Dallas problem under him.

He drafted Doug Free as OT who is still playing although being a complete rollercoaster. He drafted James Marten 3rd round as an OT who eventually ended up retiring in 2011 after sucking. Robert Brewster was a wasted 3rd round pick on an OL, he lasted only a year.

Finally after basically 5 years of fucking it up, Jerry got Tyron Smith, first round OT. He got that one right. Smith is the reason this team isn't like the team last year. After a completely awful turnstyle of left tackles, they finally have a guy in place who isn't a disaster, and isn't getting Romo killed.

[Raguel]

There are some coaches that are great at being coordinators but lousy at being head coaches. I'd love to have Turner at OC and Philips at DC, but otherwise no thank you.

[Shannow]

And the Patriots manage to, most likely, secure a first round bye and their playoff exit in the same game. Win the game, lose Gronkowski.

Go Seahawks.

[sickrubik]

Technically, the refs secured that for the Pats.  

Manning after today's game, on not playing well in the cold, "Whoever wrote that narrative can shove that where the sun don't shine."

[Paelos]

It wasn't that cold in Denver's game. It was like 50s and sunny.

[Trippy]

Close -- 18 degrees.

Loved all the snow games today.

[sickrubik]

It wasn't that cold in Denver's game. It was like 50s and sunny.

Uh... as Trippy pointed out it was 15-20 at kickoff, but it got less than that. And there was wind, which made it feel closer to 0 or so.

[Paelos]

Nevermind, the NFL box score was updating wrong. That's cold.