Marvel Universe (Thar be spoilers ahead.)

[Lakov_Sanite]

Just Lee but he did sound like he was privvy to "the timeline" but who knows if that means BP is coming in 3 years or 10.  I'm going to hazard a guess and say they are filming his cameos way in advance now for obvious reasons.

[Evildrider]

There are rumblings that Avengers 2 will have a different team at the end.  That rumor along with the "no more origin stories" could lead to some surprise cameos.

[jgsugden]

Reading between the lines, between now and the end of Avengers 2 we will see a widespread introduction of heroes and villains.  We'll have something like the Kree/Inhuman Terrigen Mist unleashed and that will be used to explain all of these new powered individuals.  The post credit for Cap 3 initiative - to make more 'Miracles'.

Regarding BP, this is not the first time Lee has talked about the character as if the film is about to go underway.  It could still be a ways off.  However, it still seems likely to me that it will be one of the 2017 films.  BP has been something they've been setting up for a long time, and Wakanda does seem to be a likely location for action in Avengers 2 (the previewed Avenger vs. Avenger combat seems to be clearly taking place in Wakanda to me - and there is an obvious reason for them to be there tied to the movie if you know your Marvel lore).  Regardless, this has been talked to death and nothing really has changed until they announce something officially.

[Khaldun]

Saw a story today that Stan the Man's cameo in Guardians was originally supposed to be that he was going to be one of the Collector's items and then when stuff goes boom and the boxes break, he was going to climb out and give the Collector the finger.

I like Stan macking on some woman instead, seems more in character.

[Evildrider]

So we got Deadpool coming in Feb. 2016 and Doctor Strange in July 2016.

[Sky]

I really hope they pull in Posehn to write for Deadpool. He has done great work on the comic.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fox will not let deadpool be rated R, therefore it's going to be terrible.

[HaemishM]

Fox will not let deadpool be rated R, therefore it's going to be terrible.

IF A = TRUE then B = TRUE.

[jgsugden]

Deadpool is a great character, but I do not see how you do an entire movie about him.  He is an outstanding character for a team movie as he is great in small doses, but a movie where he is the centerpiece will get a bit tiresome, I think.

However, I think they did say somewhere along the ways that they would not do it unless they could do it without the PG-13 leash.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I was right about robocop.  R is not just about dirty words and violence, it's about how much the people making the movie want to remain faithful to the story and characters.

Edit: See also-Expendables 3(The search for more money) 

[Lakov_Sanite]

However, I think they did say somewhere along the ways that they would not do it unless they could do it without the PG-13 leash.

The problem with this is now that interested enough has been drummed up, the only person with a say in it's rating are the people spending money on it.  Super hero movie actors and directors are very, very replaceable. 

[jgsugden]

Ugh - Deadpool is aiming at PG-13:

"I heard from the director that they finally figured out the script, and it was right before this was announced, that they figured out, and you guys are all gonna hate this, they figured out how to make it PG-13. And therefore 'not lose its soul,' and that' a quote, of the script so that they can make it."

http://www.blastr.com/2014-9-22/one-thing-might-ruin-deadpool-movie

[Lakov_Sanite]

[Evildrider]

You really can't do an R rated Deadpool and make money.  That is the problem.  The highest grossing R rated superhero movie is Watchman and it only made 100 mil.  Dredd only made 13 mil.  Does it suck, of course it does.  Still if they can really pull off the humor it should be fine.  You can still fit a lot of violence in a PG 13 movie.

[Trippy]

Yeah the proof of concept movie showed that it was possible.

[Lakov_Sanite]

You really can't do an R rated Deadpool and make money.  That is the problem.  The highest grossing R rated superhero movie is Watchman and it only made 100 mil.  Dredd only made 13 mil. 

You can't make a movie starring a cgi raccoon either, audiences will not buy it.  You are reciting the reasoning WHY it won't be made but not the reality that audience attitudes to comic movies has changed.  Not to mention watchmen and dredd arre really obscure IP's.

PG-13 will get more eyes on your product initially but if the product is crap then it won't matter.  Deadpool is about comedy and violence and without the second it will need to rely heavily on the first.  However how much do you want to bet they are going to try and shoehorn a "serious story" into it?

 "Here deadpool is the plucky comic relief alongside super serious fbi agent hottie actress kate flavoroftheweek as they work together to save the world from bad guys."

Pirates of the carribean + guns.  That's the movie they are going to make.

[tazelbain]

Deadpool needs lots of super-serious stuff to be irreverent towards.

[Lakov_Sanite]

True and in the comics deadpool is the main character set against the serious ones but hollywood has a habit of needing to put someone the audience can "identify with" as the lead/co-lead as they did with pirates/transformers/tmnt etc etc etc. 

[Merusk]

Green Lantern was a better Deadpool movie than a GL one and it was PG-13.  Seems like it could work.

[Ironwood]

Green Lantern was utter shit though.  I know that's not your point, but it's worth repeating.

[Lantyssa]

If they do implied violence they could hide the most gruesome scenes from the camera while still getting the brutality across.  It won't be easy to get it right for the entire movie, but it is possible.

[jgsugden]

The biggest problem, in my mind, is not the violence, profanity, or any of the other stuff that would be better in an R film...

It is that Deadpool is meant to play off other important characters, and is not meant to be the centerpiece.  He is designed to be a  secondary character, not a main character.  Writing a Deadpool movie would be like making a Kramer (of Seinfeld), Barney (of HIMYM), or Cliff Clavin (of Cheers) TV series... they're too out there to be a main character.  If you try to move them to the spotlight, and flesh out their secondary character to give it a main character's depth, you violate their core.  That is why Frasier worked - the character was not so far out there that you could add depth without changing what was appealing in the character.  

Yes, I know he has his own comics.  But what happens in the majority of those comics?  Guest stars for him to play against, or cliché situations that are the real core of the story so that he can provide the counterpointe.

[Lantyssa]

So they just need a lot of cameos and it will work out fine!

[jgsugden]

So they just need a lot of cameos and it will work out fine!

That would do it, but that does not seem to be the direction they've hinted at heading... more of a 'I'm a psychotic Ferris Bueller' story.

[HaemishM]

I think Deadpool would work in a solo movie kind of like Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Well DP has enough weight as a character to play off others that aren't necessarily known comic guys.  He does need to be the main character though because he's literally the one talking to the audience.

[CmdrSlack]

The biggest problem, in my mind, is not the violence, profanity, or any of the other stuff that would be better in an R film...

It is that Deadpool is meant to play off other important characters, and is not meant to be the centerpiece.  He is designed to be a  secondary character, not a main character.  Writing a Deadpool movie would be like making a Kramer (of Seinfeld), Barney (of HIMYM), or Cliff Clavin (of Cheers) TV series... they're too out there to be a main character.  If you try to move them to the spotlight, and flesh out their secondary character to give it a main character's depth, you violate their core.  That is why Frasier worked - the character was not so far out there that you could add depth without changing what was appealing in the character.  

Yes, I know he has his own comics.  But what happens in the majority of those comics?  Guest stars for him to play against, or cliché situations that are the real core of the story so that he can provide the counterpointe.

Yeah, that Fraiser show sure folded fast. 

[Ironwood]

Ummmmm.  Reading.  How does that work ?

[eldaec]

Trying to claim you can't make a good film led by any specific 'humanish' character at any given rating is ridiculous.

If the writer does a good job it will be fine. If they hire a shit writer the story will be shit.

You can argue there is no good reason to make yourself work harder by attempting to make films about dull characters, but that never stopped Superman making bank. And deadpool is not a fraction as dull as Superman, or Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern, or Aragorn, or Harry Potter.

[jgsugden]

There is a difference between making a good movie about a character named Deadpool and making a movie about THE character named Deadpool. 

[Evildrider]

Marvel coming soon teaser.

[jgsugden]

Joaquin Phoenix is apparently out as Doc Strange.  I'm glad.  I never saw it as a good fit.

My favorite choices remain Matt Bomer, Timothy Oliphant, Norman Reedus, and Andrew Lincoln.  Signable for long contracts and capable of hitting a home run as important versions of the character.  I think they'd also all make good Starks once RDJ goes out.

[HaemishM]

None of those are good choices. Matt Bomer is too young looking, Oliphant too Western, Reedus too seedy and Lincoln just doesn't fit to me.

[Sir T]

I could see Benedict Cumberbach in the role of Strange, myself. Just the right kind of odd looking.

[Velorath]

The previously rumored Cumberbatch would be a good fit. Fassbender could do a job also although I doubt he'd want to do a second Marvel character. Cillian Murphy maybe doesn't have the right look for the comic book version of Strange, but he could probably take the character in a creepier direction fitting in with Scott Derrickson's style. Similarly, Derrickson worked with Ethan Hawke on Sinister and Hawke is a more than capable actor given the right material. Again, maybe not right for the comic book version of Strange but I'm not sure if that's what we're going to get considering Derrickson's previous movies.