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There is a new trailer out, it gives away too much plot in my opinion. Wish I hadn't watched it. Link. |
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I'm less bothered about the plot really. A good plot is nice and all, but really it's just an excuse to string together a lot of well-crafted space badassery and laser pew pew and I'm all fine with that.
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Samwise
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For some reason when I saw that trailer my first thought was "Die Hard in space." Not necessarily a bad thing.
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Was that a Because if it was, I'm ok with that. I think so. |
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It has an Enterprise C vibe to it: bigger than the Enterprise A but not as big as the D which if I recall correctly was about double the length of the A. It also looks like what was described in the TNG novel Dark Mirror where Picard et al spend time in that same universe (which progressed at the same pace). It's like the Enterprise D but "angry" or something.
Yes, all these memories of old bad novels came rocketing back just because of this damned trailer and Lum saying "mirror mirror??"
Why are we spoilering stuff from trailers?
Does it give too much away? I dunno. The story is the same. Superhuman bad guy does something bad, Kirk goes after him probably unsanctioned, Enterprise gets beat up. If Holmes does turnout to be a transplant from that other universe, then in a few months we can say the trailer has spoilt it.
But that doesn't seem like a major plot twist to me. Given that JJ handled fan service in the first one with all the subtlety of a brick through a glass window, for all we know this one could open up with a text crawl that reads "Meanwhile, in the dark mirror universe..."
They've been pretty tight on the story leaks. If it was a truly important twist, they wouldn't let it leak in a trailer.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Looks more like an Excelsior class than a "dark universe" Constitution to me.
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Ok, so like... I'm fired up now. Might have to break out the uniform and ears for this one.
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I am more than happy to have a Star Trek worth nerding out for. Been since forever. Looks more like an Excelsior class than a "dark universe" Constitution to me.
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It looks to me like just a bigger, bulkier version of the JJ Enterprise, especially around the nacelles and struts. Although the neck and saucer are certainly reminiscent of the Excelsior. It's definitely a product of that universe, or maybe the mirror version of that universe?
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I wish people would stop bringing up the Mirror universe, since there's pretty much zero evidence.
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I think it's just a war ship, but I bet it becomes the model for the rebuilt Enterprise...
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I wish people would stop bringing up the Mirror universe, since there's pretty much zero evidence.
Sorry, I just hadn't even thought of it as a possibility before it was brought up in this thread, and I admit the idea somewhat appeals to me. I agree that there's no evidence, just the personal thought that everything in black might be this universe's version of goatees. Genuine speculation based on actual evidence and not personal fanfic ideas: Warship developed in secret based on Narada scans. Technology as a whole is more advanced in this universe due to the Narada incursion, and it seems silly that nobody would think to build a great honking warship from knowledge gleaned from it. Done in secret due to Federation politically not into blatant military tech. |
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See ?
That makes much more sense.
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There was a TOS book with a concept kinda like that. Can't remember the name, but secret Federation cabal lead by a megalomaniac develops super overpowered starship that had all sorts of fancy tech (including this neat sensor manipulator thing). Wasn't Dark Mirror nor Narada tech, but the end result was kinda the same.
The Narada idea is interesting, good thought. Only reason it bothers me is because, iirc, the back story on the Narada going from mining vessel to warship is because they bolted on some Borg tech before going back in time. I think that was from the comic or some other thing I didn't read.
Just a fun discussion. No idea whose right, and really, does it matter?
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Just a fun discussion. No idea whose right, and really, does it matter?
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Genuine speculation based on actual evidence and not personal fanfic ideas: Warship developed in secret based on Narada scans. Technology as a whole is more advanced in this universe due to the Narada incursion, and it seems silly that nobody would think to build a great honking warship from knowledge gleaned from it. Done in secret due to Federation politically not into blatant military tech.   |
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Venkman
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There was a TOS book with a concept kinda like that. Can't remember the name, but secret Federation cabal lead by a megalomaniac develops super overpowered starship that had all sorts of fancy tech (including this neat sensor manipulator thing). Wasn't Dark Mirror nor Narada tech, but the end result was kinda the same.
That's the one! Heavily featured a woman version of Kirk (that isn't a misogynistic description, she was literally described that way in the book along with her two cohorts) and how her methods for dealing with the situations mirrored his. The followup to this one continued in some interesting ways, but I don't think it went anywhere after that. |
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Watched the skit and got a chuckle. As it turns out, I just watched that episode about an hour ago and the question actually fit (I had to check the number and such but it is episode 25 of the first season). Then I saw the book cover. For the briefest of moments the author's name was Dana Carvey. Also, that was 1986? Now I am depressed. |
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Khaldun
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I actually liked that book but it has a rep as being crazy-crazy Mary Sueism which is pretty much true.
I really really hope that it doesn't turn out that the reason that the Federation sends a Kurtz up the river to their version of the Congo is that old-timeline Spock debriefed them on the future history of their universe (or even worse, that they get it out of him somehow). I'd like them to forget that old-timeline Spock is still alive period.
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Random note: The first Ender's Game trailer is supposed to show before this.
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I actually liked that book but it has a rep as being crazy-crazy Mary Sueism which is pretty much true. It totally was. Still one of my favorite ST novels (I grant the standard is quite low, but that's one of the few I'd pull out and re-read past junior high). |
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Yea, def. And the followup wasn't terrible either. I wish they had done more with that character. Years later I thought Commander Shelby (from Best of Both Worlds, who later appeared in the book Vendetta, another very fun read) was modeled on her character. Though years after that I realized the show producers probably never read the books anyway  |
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Though years after that I realized the show producers probably never read the books anyway Though the producers never admitted it, TNG's Klingons bore more than a passing resemblance to John M. Ford's Klingons from Final Reflection. That's about the only one of the novels that I can still read 25 years later. Maybe the Gerrold one about the lost generational ship. |
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