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Khaldun
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Sorry, wasn't responding to anything said specifically here, just remembering everybody at the time making fun of the virus plot but ignoring all the other things that make no sense about the film. That's what got me going--what elements of films get slagged as unreal or ridiculous by most viewers while other elements get a pass? Because often there are very common reactions to disparate plot elements in a film.
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Ironwood
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Few people? Which few people are this? Seriously? What a brain-dead comment to make. The whole article is inane and shallow. How many times can you watch a young man struggle with his problems, gain new power, then save the world? It’s enough to make you wonder: Is overreliance on Snyder’s story formula killing movies? Yeah, never happened in movies - or drama, or fiction, or whatever, before. Quick, someone go back in time and kill Joseph Campbell... and the entire history of storytelling. Present. I think you missed the point of it. But that's ok, because I suspect you wouldn't want to anyway.
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Simond
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Wasn't Rei a clone of somebody or other? Or there were like a whole bunch of Rei clones?
Rei was a partial-clone of Shinji's mother with a bunch of Lillith DNA. And yes, there was more than one. Armageddon? Jesus christ, we've hit the bottom of the barrel. Magical space shuttles that can fly around the moon (unpossible for a shuttle) Dock it at a station, brim the tanks, and plot in a Hohman transfer followed by a Oberth flyby of the moon to slingshot around. Not impossible, just very difficult.
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Rendakor
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I thought it was the dead mom of each kid inside each eva they piloted?
Shinji's and Asuka's mothers' souls are inside their Evas. Unit 0 doesn't have a soul and Rei doesn't have a mom.
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Brofellos
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So we're still on this, huh?
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So we're still on this, huh?
So do you have to go see a rom-com with schild or something to make up for this? 
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Gonna need more than a rom com.
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A snuff film with schild?
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Simond
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I thought it was the dead mom of each kid inside each eva they piloted?
Shinji's and Asuka's mothers' souls are inside their Evas. Unit 0 doesn't have a soul and Rei doesn't have a mom. Common theory is that Rei (I)'s soul is inside Unit 00 but it doesn't really matter as Rei (I through III) has Super Lillith Powers anyway (also Rei contains Lillith's soul in the same way as Kaworu is sort-of-Adam so it's Lilliths all the way down!) And bringing this back to PR, Del Toro is talking about possibly adding Jaeger-Kaiju hybrids for PR2 so we could still end up with pilots synching with giant biomechanoids.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Big thing on the cross was Lilith, everyone thought it was Eve but the big reveal was that Eve was actually inside Rei.
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Rendakor
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Big thing on the cross was Lilith, everyone thought it was Eve but the big reveal was that Eve was actually inside Rei.
Nah, it was supposed to be Adam who was actually in Gendo's hand physically and Kaworu spiritually. There really isn't an Eve in the Eva universe. Common theory is that Rei (I)'s soul is inside Unit 00 but it doesn't really matter as Rei (I through III) has Super Lillith Powers anyway (also Rei contains Lillith's soul in the same way as Kaworu is sort-of-Adam so it's Lilliths all the way down!)
I never really liked that theory since Unit 00 should have been completed before Unit 01 and thus before Rei existed since Gendo probably wasn't cloning Yui while she was alive.
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Viin
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Soo glad I didn't watch those serieses.  Anyways, saw this today in IMAX 3D. IMAX was a joke, really the same size as the typical screen + a little extra. Going to a real IMAX next time. Still not convinced I like 3D, but it was mostly OK. It did make a few scenes look like they had little plastic models (helicopters, escape pods, etc), which probably wouldn't have been noticed in 2D. Thought the movie was great though. Well executed entertainment.
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SurfD
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Soo glad I didn't watch those serieses.  Anyways, saw this today in IMAX 3D. IMAX was a joke, really the same size as the typical screen + a little extra. Going to a real IMAX next time. Still not convinced I like 3D, but it was mostly OK. It did make a few scenes look like they had little plastic models (helicopters, escape pods, etc), which probably wouldn't have been noticed in 2D. Thought the movie was great though. Well executed entertainment. The smaller sized "lie-max" screens, as some people still like to refer to them, are still Imax. The only real difference is that they are not full UBER SIZED Imax screens. The projector technology they use is still the same regardless of which size the image is shown on (and they are actually larger then a standard movie screen, though not as big as the full thing obviously). The thing Imax pushes on these is that while the screen may be smaller, the picture quality and sound quality is still there, and (at least picture wise) should be vastly superior to most normal Digital projection.
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Stormwaltz
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Probably because even to horny teenage guys, both Rei and Asuka are so fucked up mentally you just dont want to go there. I wanted to hug them and tell them it was going to be okay. I have a long-standing weakness (warning, tvtropes link).
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Soo glad I didn't watch those serieses.  Anyways, saw this today in IMAX 3D. IMAX was a joke, really the same size as the typical screen + a little extra. Going to a real IMAX next time. Still not convinced I like 3D, but it was mostly OK. It did make a few scenes look like they had little plastic models (helicopters, escape pods, etc), which probably wouldn't have been noticed in 2D. Thought the movie was great though. Well executed entertainment. The smaller sized "lie-max" screens, as some people still like to refer to them, are still Imax. The only real difference is that they are not full UBER SIZED Imax screens. The projector technology they use is still the same regardless of which size the image is shown on (and they are actually larger then a standard movie screen, though not as big as the full thing obviously). I'm not entirely sure that's true. I was under the impression that "true" IMAX uses 70mm film, whereas a lot of the "lie-max" screens use digital projectors, and that next year IMAX is supposed to be pushing out some new sort of new digital projector and likely phasing out film entirely.
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SurfD
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Soo glad I didn't watch those serieses.  Anyways, saw this today in IMAX 3D. IMAX was a joke, really the same size as the typical screen + a little extra. Going to a real IMAX next time. Still not convinced I like 3D, but it was mostly OK. It did make a few scenes look like they had little plastic models (helicopters, escape pods, etc), which probably wouldn't have been noticed in 2D. Thought the movie was great though. Well executed entertainment. The smaller sized "lie-max" screens, as some people still like to refer to them, are still Imax. The only real difference is that they are not full UBER SIZED Imax screens. The projector technology they use is still the same regardless of which size the image is shown on (and they are actually larger then a standard movie screen, though not as big as the full thing obviously). I'm not entirely sure that's true. I was under the impression that "true" IMAX uses 70mm film, whereas a lot of the "lie-max" screens use digital projectors, and that next year IMAX is supposed to be pushing out some new sort of new digital projector and likely phasing out film entirely. Not 100% sure. While yes, "true" IMAX, in the classic sense would still use 70 mm film, I think you would be very hard pressed to find many of those around any more. The vast majority of IMAX screens out there now are Digital. And as far as digital content goes, only the dimensions of the source file would matter. If it is recorded using an IMAX digital camera, or converted from 70 mm to digital format, it should still preserve the IMAX aspect ratio, and then it is just a matter of projecting it on screen. If the screen size changes, but the aspect ratio does not, then it "technically" is still an IMAX presentation. The smaller screens just wouldnt be the traditional "Full Sized" IMAX dimensions. If I manage to catch one of the IMAX technicians in at my theatre next time they come in for an upgrade, I will pick his brain about Digital VS 70mm film sites. I do know that when we get IMAX branded harddrives shipped to us for our digital content, they all have a "70mm DCP" logo branded on them. (For a bit of background, the theatre i work at is loosely considered a "test" facility for IMAX digital 3D Stuff, and for about the last 2 years now we have had IMAX techs in on a fairly regular basis messing with our projectors with upgrades / tests and the like).
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The chain I work for doesn't have many IMAX screens, but I try to pay attention to the technology at least. I'm not arguing that one version of IMAX is superior to another on a technical level as that goes beyond my knowledge. I'm just saying that there are some variances in projection and it's not all the same technology. My limited understanding is that digital IMAX essentially uses two 2k projectors, and that the ones they're supposed to be rolling out at some point have been described as dual 4k, although I don't know if that's still two projectors or if they're someone doing it with one.
At the moment the technological competition in theaters seems to be on sound, with Dolby Atmos going against Auro 3D. There's a theater relatively nearby to me that does Atmos, but I haven't checked it out yet. The conversion to digital projection was a big deal to me simply on the level of not having to deal with film getting scratched, but aside from that the movies themselves are still a much bigger factor than the technology they're played on.
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eldaec
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Around here we have both 70mm imax and digital "imax" cinemas. They aren't remotely comparable.
The 15 perf 70mm film version delivers visibly better contrast, colour and detail wheras I can't tell the difference between the digital version and any other unbranded 2k.
I can't see any reason digital couldn't be as good. So I rather suspect the issue is that standards set for using the imax brand on digital projection aren't stiff enough.
The problem I am having with the 1570 screens, is that (presumably because of cost of a second set of film) they don't tend to show a 2d print alongside the goddamn abomination that is 3D.
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Ingmar
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There aren't a ton of 70mm IMAX locations, but they're worth seeking out. The 35 mm digital ones are not really comparable unless they're dual projection that new 4k thing supposedly.
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SurfD
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Yeah, chances are, if your local screen is an IMAX Digital, it is probably still running on the old Christie 2k projectors. My site was transitioned to the newer Barco 4ks about 8 months back as part of their live environemnt test sites, and there is a fairly noticeable difference in Image quality over the Christies. For one, our IMAX screen is MUCH brighter then any of our other digital screens, which results in a much clearer, crisper image.
The 15/70 screens have a major advantage over Digital screens currently due to the fact that they use bulbs somewhere in the 15kw range, whereas nearly all Digital units currently out there for "normal" sized screens use bulbs that range from 1.5 to 4kw. The Barco projectors we have for our Dual-projector imax setup currently run 6kw bulbs.
And yeah, while the current battle in movie tech seems to be audio, I believe there is some nifty stuff coming down the pipe for Projection with talk of Lazer light powered units, essentially eliminating the standard Xenon short-arc bulb all together, meaning you should theoretically never need to change bulbs ever again, but I am not really sure how that is going to work.
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Armageddon? Jesus christ, we've hit the bottom of the barrel. Magical space shuttles that can fly around the moon (unpossible for a shuttle), a magical asteriod that aims it's fragments at famous monuments. A cast of derpy NASA doodz, and salt of the earth oil rig workers who save the day because more magic. Showed those stuck up NASA dudes, you betcha! Every character in that damn movie was so 2 dimensional they could have fallen between the floorboards by turning sideways. Every character was like watching an actor cash a paycheck.
On a scale of preposterous where one side is Giant Mechs to fight Giant Monsters coming from a single hole in the ground and the other side is impenetrable hull doing a Star Trek IV around the moon to catch the conveniently close asteroid, I'll take the slingshot around the moon any day. At least they described that as a plan, had models, full minutes dedicated to it, and related footage of the process at a summer-flick appropriate pacing. All Pacific Rim was say "we made monsters too"/cut to game show/cut to buddy flick sadness in Alaska. I'm not saying I accepted that what Armaggedon established was real. All I'm saying is that the premise was believable enough to not need Myth Busters, with my break point being the goal of drilling 800 feet into something with 298k square miles of area. And I only dredged up last page's debate becasue of Khaldun's awesome idea: We really need a thread where folks set out what their individual rules are for realism and fantasy. Because I cannot figure out why any single person here (including me, I guess) draws the lines where they do. Say, with ID4, why draw the line at a virus and not at spaceships of that size that are doing something as grubby and incoherent as blowing up cities, which really makes no sense? The cheese/thoughtful border and where your pleasures lie on either or both sides is a kind of interesting puzzle.
Yes please. And I'm ok with the blowing up of cities.
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eldaec
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We really need a thread where folks set out what their individual rules are for realism and fantasy. Because I cannot figure out why any single person here (including me, I guess) draws the lines where they do. Say, with ID4, why draw the line at a virus and not at spaceships of that size that are doing something as grubby and incoherent as blowing up cities, which really makes no sense? The cheese/thoughtful border and where your pleasures lie on either or both sides is a kind of interesting puzzle.
Yes please. Um... http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=23473.0
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edit: Actually I'll just put this post over there.
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This is doing well enough internationally that they are close to greenlighting a sequel.
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Yeah, 227 mil worldwide for the 190mil budget. 87 mil of that is domestic.
It's blown the Lone Ranger away (85 domestic/ 164 worldwide.)
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It just opened in China with the highest opening that Universal has ever had there. Hasn't even opened in Japan.
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I love this movie but I don't necessarily want a sequel. I just want GDT to be free to make his next wet-dream movie whatever that maybe. Hellboy 3, Mountains of Madness, or Pacific Rim 2 all fine choices.
Also Voltron could be a fine sequel Pacific Rim.
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It is apparently getting a sequel - which disappoints me. I'd rather see them learn from the mistakes (lacking story or characterer development) and try again. The genre deserves a chance to have a real story told in it rather than rushing to stormy monster battles with superficial and nonsensical storytelling.
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Lakov_Sanite
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It is apparently getting a sequel - which disappoints me. I'd rather see them learn from the mistakes (lacking story or characterer development) and try again. The genre deserves a chance to have a real story told in it rather than rushing to stormy monster battles with superficial and nonsensical storytelling.
In what world does making a sequel mean the exact same movie?
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Michael Bay world? 
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Khaldun
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It is apparently getting a sequel - which disappoints me. I'd rather see them learn from the mistakes (lacking story or characterer development) and try again. The genre deserves a chance to have a real story told in it rather than rushing to stormy monster battles with superficial and nonsensical storytelling.
Why do you think that a "real story" is any more likely or unlikely with a fresh movie? Why does the genre of "giant robots battle giant monsters" deserve the chance to have a REAL STORY? I liked this flick, readily acknowledge that aspects of it were weaksauce, but let's cut the geek pretension here a bit, yes? If "real story" is the issue, stick to genres and themes and moods that are more likely to generate "real stories" than giant robots punching giant monsters.
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