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Reply #350 on: July 18, 2013, 01:29:54 AM

Cause drift synch between people aren't always 100%?
I dunno, Pacific Rim could've been great if they didn't go 'chosen few' route of story telling. I would've preferred seeing how the whole 'Jaeger programme decline' unfold. Watching Gipsy Danger gets taken down and still makes it back in slightly bad shape convinces me, 'Hell, they should've sent them out in pairs.' Instead, the world thinks 'It doesn't work.'

It needs to tell the declining fortunes better than a sudden 'superstar hotshot pilot turns into construction worker, gets a final shot and takes it' script.
But OK, it's a super-robot movie, too many robots may not make it 'Super' anymore.

Yet some weaboo fans still complain it's not 'Super Enough'
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Reply #351 on: July 18, 2013, 01:40:59 AM

Oh I agree, I'd love to have seen a lot more world building and explination of the changes to society, but I guess that would be to hard to do in a single movie time frame.  But it would have been really neat to show how society was changed by all the events (stuff they hinted at but didn't go into detail on).  Such as how all the worlds resources being put into fighting the monsters and building walls causes great economic pain on most of society.  Mass rationing of goods and desperation for jobs.  Negative impacts to the flow of goods and world GDP decline due to cities being destroyed.  They created a really interesting world, would be neat to seem more of it.

Guess that leaves plenty of room open for a prequal or TV series covering the fall of the Jaeger program over that last 5 year period.   awesome, for real

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Reply #352 on: July 18, 2013, 01:41:17 AM

This thread got a little silly.

Mostly due to Schild, but for the first time someone used the phrase 'switch off your brain' and that's always a warning flag.

That said, Fucking Be There.  

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Reply #353 on: July 18, 2013, 03:09:43 AM

Oh I agree, I'd love to have seen a lot more world building and explination of the changes to society, but I guess that would be to hard to do in a single movie time frame.  But it would have been really neat to show how society was changed by all the events (stuff they hinted at but didn't go into detail on).  Such as how all the worlds resources being put into fighting the monsters and building walls causes great economic pain on most of society.  Mass rationing of goods and desperation for jobs.  Negative impacts to the flow of goods and world GDP decline due to cities being destroyed.  They created a really interesting world, would be neat to seem more of it.

Guess that leaves plenty of room open for a prequal or TV series covering the fall of the Jaeger program over that last 5 year period.   awesome, for real

The last point is key, sounds like what you actually want is a novel or a TV series.

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Reply #354 on: July 18, 2013, 03:27:59 AM

There's nothing wrong with Cloverfield. It just wasn't what people wanted. Apparently they wanted ID4 remade. Who knew?

the flaming hobo bit always cracks me up.



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Reply #355 on: July 18, 2013, 03:31:23 AM

The last point is key, sounds like what you actually want is a novel or a TV series.
Or a 237 episode anime series that goes on for 15 years!

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Reply #356 on: July 18, 2013, 03:42:51 AM

Why am I the only one that thinks this shit is goofy as fuck? Is there some gene that I'm missing that makes me not automatically like manned giant robot-suits?

I am missing that gene as well. That is why I am lurking, rather than commenting on this movie... no need to jump in the shark tank.

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Reply #357 on: July 18, 2013, 03:56:38 AM

This thread got a little silly.

Mostly due to Schild

Reading a schild post in the Movie forum often has the same effect on me as reading the Politics forum.
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Reply #358 on: July 18, 2013, 04:17:42 AM

Ouch.

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Reply #359 on: July 18, 2013, 08:25:12 AM

Why am I the only one that thinks this shit is goofy as fuck? Is there some gene that I'm missing that makes me not automatically like manned giant robot-suits?

I am missing that gene as well. That is why I am lurking, rather than commenting on this movie... no need to jump in the shark tank.

I also roll my eyes when people talk about robots or robot suits or mechs.

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Reply #360 on: July 18, 2013, 09:51:16 AM

Also why didn't Gandalf just fly the ring to mount doom with an eagle?

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Reply #361 on: July 18, 2013, 10:16:46 AM

I think I mentioned before that you hate everything that is good on screen, and also seem to love all that is bad.  I'm going to say that again.   awesome, for real

I must QFT again. Holy fuck, schild, did you really say that ID4 is a better movie than PacRim?

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Reply #362 on: July 18, 2013, 10:18:35 AM

In 1996, ID4 was *way* better than Pacific Rim is in 2013. Anyone who says otherwise is a big, fat liar (with pants that happen to be on fire).
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Reply #363 on: July 18, 2013, 10:21:56 AM

But again, that wasn't even remotely near the point I was making. I'm merely saying that nerds are getting way to overhyped about this fairly mediocre pile of shit. There was cool robot/monster action but it was 45 minutes too long, the acting was dreadful, and they explained too much.
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Reply #364 on: July 18, 2013, 10:30:39 AM

In fairness, having read the entire plot on Wiki, Schild looks to be entirely correct that the story at least is lifted wholesale from ID4.

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Reply #365 on: July 18, 2013, 10:36:11 AM

No shit. I don't actually know why anyone was arguing with me on that point.
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Reply #366 on: July 18, 2013, 10:36:44 AM

The proper argument was "it's a silly movie, just let it be silly" which I'm fine with, but like, PUNCH NOT STRONG ENOUGH ROCKET PUNCH HARDER is kind of just, too silly when a steak knife will work.
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Reply #367 on: July 18, 2013, 10:37:18 AM

It's the only explanation I have for straight (or, honestly, even gay) guys that like musicals or period pieces.

I forget was "O Brother, Where Art Thou" a musical or a period peice?  Am I gay?  Damn I get so confused in my old age.
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Reply #368 on: July 18, 2013, 10:39:39 AM

It's the only explanation I have for straight (or, honestly, even gay) guys that like musicals or period pieces.
I forget was "O Brother, Where Art Thou" a musical or a period peice?  Am I gay?  Damn I get so confused in my old age.
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Reply #369 on: July 18, 2013, 11:29:17 AM

In 1996, ID4 was *way* better than Pacific Rim is in 2013. Anyone who says otherwise is a big, fat liar (with pants that happen to be on fire).
Or were already out of college. tongue

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Reply #370 on: July 18, 2013, 11:30:06 AM

No shit. I don't actually know why anyone was arguing with me on that point.

I'm not arguing with that there aren't comparisons to be made to ID4. The big "cancel the apocalypse" speech felt very similar to Paxton's speech in ID4. And I enjoyed ID4 in the theaters - even went to see it twice (the 2nd time because of this chick I was dating wanted to see it). But shit... PR was better executed in every possible fucking way, especially acting and writing.

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Reply #371 on: July 18, 2013, 11:41:39 AM

It's not just "comparisons." It's the whole movie. The speech is but tiny miniscule part of it.

I don't actually see how the execution was any different (for better or worse). The standards for writing and acting in the early 90s and now are completely different. PR certainly thought the content was worth being more serious in both the acting and writing department. I would argue that ID4 was far more self-aware of how silly it was (outside of Perlman's shoes/outfit and Charlile Day who seemed to have been literally teleported from the set of It's Always Sunny to Pacific Rim). But again, the ID4 comparison was mostly because of the entire structure of the movie and pacing of the plot. It wasn't meant to be a qualitative analysis of the movies on a line for line comparison of the script or how actors played their roles.
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Reply #372 on: July 18, 2013, 12:03:16 PM

Goodfellas was also a lot like Casino.

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Reply #373 on: July 18, 2013, 12:09:47 PM

It's the only explanation I have for straight (or, honestly, even gay) guys that like musicals or period pieces.
I forget was "O Brother, Where Art Thou" a musical or a period peice?  Am I gay?  Damn I get so confused in my old age.
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Reply #374 on: July 18, 2013, 12:10:22 PM

I've never had much love for ID4. And I would argue very strongly against the suggestion that ID4 was a more self-aware movie than Pacific Rim - after all, Mars Attacks exists primarily to throw shoes at ID4's Jingoistic inanity. What Pacific Rim manages to do so beautifully is incorporate a lot of incredibly knowing, very tongue in cheek characters and set-pieces into a big budget Smash'em Up that brews its own brand of genre-specific drama pefectly. That apocalypse speech is meant to be cheesy. The method for saving the world is a well worn trope, hell, The Avengers got away with it last year ffs. We know Stacker Pentacost is going to sacrifice himself almost from the get-go (though who would have guessed it would be Shaun Slater stood next to him?) but Idris Elba never makes you dismiss the role. Part of me thinks Charlie Day's portrayal of Geizler is a direct send-up of JJ Abrams as a cheeky tip of the hat to Movie Nerddom's current Genre King.

For me, everything blends together beautifully, and it never once felt over 2 hours long. The only thing that tired me out at all was trying to take all of Del Toro's signature detail in. The DVD extra Making of Hellboy 2 documentary remains a high-point of the format (and for me, as a front seat viewing of Del Toro's creativity and creative team is actually better than the movie itself); I can't wait to see what the PR DVD/Blu-ray comes with.

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Reply #375 on: July 18, 2013, 12:28:24 PM

the acting was dreadful,

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Reply #376 on: July 18, 2013, 12:42:26 PM

the acting was dreadful,

 awesome, for real

"Shitty piece of shit movie was ok but neckbeards made me angry so bargle."
Never would've been said if people hadn't implied otherwise.

Edit: Also, I conceded early on I had no problem with the concept of giant manned robots being up monsters. Like, no problem at all. But the implication that it was more than that, or that shit about Hollywood keeping it down, or that it was somehow superior to other brainless summer blockbusters is absurd to me. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at.
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Reply #377 on: July 18, 2013, 01:02:47 PM

I mean this movie was basically Evangelion only two people have to mind-meld with a robot and the smartass hotshot is from Australia instead of Germany.  They even aped the 'increasing monster difficulty' bit as well as the 'tons of scenes of a robot sliding backwards through a town' thing. 

It was good and I enjoyed myself but whichever one of you called it 'a perfect summer movie' or whateverthefuck must have been huffing whippets.
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Reply #378 on: July 18, 2013, 01:10:26 PM

You motherfuckers officially hate fun.

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Reply #379 on: July 18, 2013, 01:18:43 PM

You motherfuckers officially hate fun.

I hate getting overly excited for a thing.  I had fun, just not as much as I was expecting to have.
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Reply #380 on: July 18, 2013, 01:21:16 PM

There is no such thing as overly excited.  There is simply "You had got more enjoyment out of this thing than I think you should have."

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Reply #381 on: July 18, 2013, 01:51:58 PM

There is no such thing as overly excited.  There is simply "You had got more enjoyment out of this thing than I think you should have."

Try reading. It is entirely possible to hype yourself up too much and end up disappointed. Which is what he said.

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Reply #382 on: July 18, 2013, 02:00:06 PM

The worst goddamn part was that Brofellos hyped me up also! Then someone else did by linking to goddamn Wayne Barlowe (a true master) as one of the monster designers. And then you all were like "this is THE SHIT."

Everyone was wrong.
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Reply #383 on: July 18, 2013, 02:22:47 PM

I mean this movie was basically Evangelion only two people have to mind-meld with a robot and the smartass hotshot is from Australia instead of Germany.  They even aped the 'increasing monster difficulty' bit as well as the 'tons of scenes of a robot sliding backwards through a town' thing.  
This is probably why I thought the movie was amazing. They even have dual-pilot Evas in 3.0.

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Reply #384 on: July 18, 2013, 02:29:11 PM

the acting was dreadful,

 awesome, for real

"Shitty piece of shit movie was ok but neckbeards made me angry so bargle."
Never would've been said if people hadn't implied otherwise.

Edit: Also, I conceded early on I had no problem with the concept of giant manned robots being up monsters. Like, no problem at all. But the implication that it was more than that, or that shit about Hollywood keeping it down, or that it was somehow superior to other brainless summer blockbusters is absurd to me. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at.

You call it shit in one post, "not a bad movie" in another. It's just amusing.




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