Chris Roberts Back in your wallet - STAR CITIZEN

[rk47]

Can I start a hotel business on my super luxury liner? 
There's a space jacuzzi too.

[KallDrexx]

There was a scenario that was tossed out a while back, that if you one and only ship gets destroyed. You would need to find credits to fund your new ride, as you are now likely stuck on that planet/station, opening up the possibility of shopping yourself out as crew, or buying passage, ETC... Because your hangar, is in a physical location in the world somewhere, ALA Eve.  I find that compelling.

The history of MMOs has proven that 99% of the players do not find that compelling.  Even shadowbane had trouble with guilds having any motivation to start over once their guild cities got destroyed in a siege, and that's not nearly as punishing to the players as what you are saying they are proposing.

[Velorath]

Finally the Advocacy takes insurance fraud very seriously. If it can be proven that a player has colluded with another player to defraud the insurance company, that hull’s lifetime insurance will be invalidated and the player may have to pay a large amount of credits to keep their record clean and not be marked as a wanted criminal.

So what I'm taking away from all those walls of text is that yes, insurance fraud is possible but of course they are going to have a great live team that's totally going to catch anybody trying it.

[Paelos]

It's like life. 

[Brolan]

I want to be able to create a pizza store and sell pizza in the stations and to incoming ships.  I also want this to be full featured as to keep track of the price of pepperoni and the tastes of my customers. I also want a good deal of attention paid to dough elasticity.  Can this be done?

[Hutch]

Can you hand-toss a pizza in space?

[Mrbloodworth]

Have a look at every game ever made in history MBW. Do they collectively have the proposed features of this game? No.

Why are you so insane.

They were also not the most crowed funded anything in history, nor launched with out a publisher setting goals/requirements, nor were they an open development that takes feedback at every point. People back this game because its the space game most of us have always wanted. That's kinda powerful, and grants the ability to develop something like has not been done before. It was said to be ambitious before a single dollar was accepted, and that has been reiterated a million times in all the developer output, and it shows no real sign of stopping. The support this game has, and the progress shown on live-streams, weekly and monthly reports, and the client on your machine have everything to do with its popularity. Its not an accident its continually backed, IMO they have earned every bit of it.

EDIT: Further, I think things like Around the verse, puts a real human face to this development that's mostly lacking in many other developments. While many of you may respond as if the people on this team walk and talk like some sort of rock-stars promising the world, the transparency shows that they are all extreamly humble and when things change they give the reasons. They even do a segment EVERY WEEK that spends a good 15-30 minutes showing and fixing a bug, complete with code before and afters and insight into the process. Those are community bugs or just general bugs. This is powerful stuff that builds trust, and again, fuels a large amount of the backing. Perhaps the initial bump was simply nostalgia and Chris Roberts name, but I can't say that's the case anymore. To ignore this stuff is a mistake.

[WayAbvPar]

[Draegan]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

[schild]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Bitch please, much as I personally love Bloodworth and his incredible ability to back the wrong horse, to imply that it's unfair to poopoo on any Star Citizen fanboyishness is ridiculous.

[Pennilenko]

I don't know, It doesn't really feel like Mr. B is into fanboy territory. It feels more like he is just really hopeful that he will get a game he has always wanted. There is no reason why we can't disagree with Mr. B without personally ripping on him.

For the record I still believe Star Citizen is a scam.

[Falconeer]

I am sorry for what look like personal attacks. I hate all kinds of bullyisms and I trust that everyone who has been here for long enough know how to discern between pack mentality and personal opinions, and  at any rate is experienced enought to know how to defend themselves from anything. Otherwise they would have probably left this place a long time ago.

My problem with MrB. in this instance, as I said before (and in my opinion what makes him look crazy), is that he is not expressing any caution in his support for the vision. And since the vision is long from being proven that's like being excited about a new religion and defending its message.

When it comes to the only two people in this thread who aren't extremely cynical about Star Citizen, Lucas is the one who just reports news, while MrB is the one who believes all of them.

[Lucas]

I entered "newsbot" mode on this thread (but I've been probably growing a certain fetish about being a newsbot, as you can probably see in other threads :P) because, from time to time, it enters in a cycle of repetitive "it's a scam!" posts (but yeah, it will stay so 'til at least Squadron 42 gets released, I know) that I don't find particularly engaging; infact, I actually found the last page and half or so quite nice with the discussion about boarding and "emergent gameplay" behaviour.

Now, the scenario portrayed by the FPS developer is undoubtedly far fetched, just like the utopia about roleplaying we (well, me, at least :P) had before 1997 when we theoryzed about living as a full-time merchant in UO or making money just escorting PC caravans :P.

That doesn't exclude the possibility of other cool scenarios, of course (with other, more unpleasant ones coming with them, yeah).
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I'll try to post a more detailed review of the current status of Arena Commander (including the racing mode) within the mid of next week: tomorrow, bar any delay, they'll release an important patch that will affect the flight model once again and should be quite important for joystick/hotas users like me).

[lamaros]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Please. I asked a serious question rhetorically and then went a little hyperbole, I'm not going the man.

There are some serious and worrying delusions around Star Citizen and I don't think brushing them all off with 'you just hate fans' is at all accurate.

[Kail]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Please. I asked a serious question rhetorically and then went a little hyperbole, I'm not going the man.

There are some serious and worrying delusions around Star Citizen and I don't think brushing them all off with 'you just hate fans' is at all accurate.

Yeah, honestly I'd rather there was discussion/arguing rather than just pages of "yes, I agree" regardless of which side it's on.  As long as the people involved know what they're talking about (and BW does seem pretty well informed) and we're not degenerating into personal attacks, I like reading this kind of thing.

[Samprimary]

The one thing that's so worrying about SC so far is that it is orders of magnitude higher on the Scope Creep threat list than anything I can recall seeing. It's clocking in at 224.4 Molyneuxes.

[lamaros]

The one thing that's so worrying about SC so far is that it is orders of magnitude higher on the Scope Creep threat list than anything I can recall seeing. It's clocking in at 224.4 Molyneuxes.

It reminds me of Darkfall. Except, instead of being self-funded by lazy nerds targeting teenagers it is being directed by hard working con-artists targeting affluent adult-children. They're selling the idea of a life-substitute, which is broken in its basic premise, and deliberately taking as much money from those whose circumstances make them unable to recognise this situation.

I think it is disgustingly reprehensible, and I think that talking about 'the game' is an absurd and dangerous deflection. There isn't a game. It's a work of fiction, selling fantasy to those at risk for as much money as possible. I don't think it is good natured delusion on the part of the developers, and I'm not going to go through any of their crap without pointing this out.

There's nothing wrong with being stupid and having stupid impossible ideas for a game that attracts people who have a delicate connection to reality. Ideas are fun, and dreams are fun. You only have to look at some of my posts in the game design sub-forum to see I'm as susceptible as anyone. But taking advantage of that to extract as much money from those people as possible is wrong.

[rk47]

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Gonna be fun watching trainwrecks.  We're past 'save the sheeps' point way long ago.

[Draegan]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Bitch please, much as I personally love Bloodworth and his incredible ability to back the wrong horse, to imply that it's unfair to poopoo on any Star Citizen fanboyishness is ridiculous.

Bullshit. There is a difference between heckling this crazy scam and some hack attempt to belittle MrB. Anyway, the bashing is getting redundant. If you're gonna get on the bashing train, at least be original.

[Draegan]

I am sorry for what look like personal attacks. I hate all kinds of bullyisms and I trust that everyone who has been here for long enough know how to discern between pack mentality and personal opinions, and  at any rate is experienced enought to know how to defend themselves from anything. Otherwise they would have probably left this place a long time ago.

My problem with MrB. in this instance, as I said before (and in my opinion what makes him look crazy), is that he is not expressing any caution in his support for the vision. And since the vision is long from being proven that's like being excited about a new religion and defending its message.

When it comes to the only two people in this thread who aren't extremely cynical about Star Citizen, Lucas is the one who just reports news, while MrB is the one who believes all of them.

Oh come the fuck on. He wrote a novel explaining this to you like a month ago. Does he have to tag every post with some kind of caution?

Like "Here's a really interesting feature about this game that might work. Also, this game probably won't launch. Oh by the way I think insurance will work this way, seems cool. Oh, and I don't know if this will even be a game".

[Draegan]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Please. I asked a serious question rhetorically and then went a little hyperbole, I'm not going the man.

There are some serious and worrying delusions around Star Citizen and I don't think brushing them all off with 'you just hate fans' is at all accurate.

Well shit yes. There are people on Rerolled that have spent hundreds and thousands on this and I ridicule them at every chance I get. I'm pretty sure MrB spent maybe a few bucks on this. If he's in the multiple hundreds of dollar realm, then nevermind.

[lamaros]

Oh look another instance of F13 bashing a community member for being somewhat realistic somewhat fanboy about a game.

God forbid.

Bitch please, much as I personally love Bloodworth and his incredible ability to back the wrong horse, to imply that it's unfair to poopoo on any Star Citizen fanboyishness is ridiculous.

Bullshit. There is a difference between heckling this crazy scam and some hack attempt to belittle MrB. Anyway, the bashing is getting redundant. If you're gonna get on the bashing train, at least be original.

Because once you've pointed out how crazy something is once, you should just shut up and let it go about its crazy way?

Why is it 'bashing' to call out delusions? People call each other psychos when they Sir Bruce posts, but Star Citizen cool-aid explosions should be treated differently?

I had a reasonably long post him about game mechanics and why the whole idea of this game is broken. But I think that it's completely beside the point for this game, as this game is only a thing because it is an exploitive disaster, and as far as game ideas go there is nothing interesting going on here.

Star Citizen is a kitchen sink fiction, not a real game. I'll talk about game ideas and game mechanics in other threads, where it's actually relevant.

[Draegan]

I don't care if you bash the game, it deserves it for all the reason we all know. I'm talking about dog piling on MrB because he dared to have a positive thought about it.

[Venkman]

Why does it feel like every time some chancy concept comes through here, Bloodworth becomes both its ambassador and then the nature pincushion for all the hate?

Bash the message*, not the messenger.

* Such as it is.

[Falconeer]

I am sorry for what look like personal attacks. I hate all kinds of bullyisms and I trust that everyone who has been here for long enough know how to discern between pack mentality and personal opinions, and  at any rate is experienced enought to know how to defend themselves from anything. Otherwise they would have probably left this place a long time ago.

My problem with MrB. in this instance, as I said before (and in my opinion what makes him look crazy), is that he is not expressing any caution in his support for the vision. And since the vision is long from being proven that's like being excited about a new religion and defending its message.

When it comes to the only two people in this thread who aren't extremely cynical about Star Citizen, Lucas is the one who just reports news, while MrB is the one who believes all of them.

Oh come the fuck on. He wrote a novel explaining this to you like a month ago. Does he have to tag every post with some kind of caution?

Like "Here's a really interesting feature about this game that might work. Also, this game probably won't launch. Oh by the way I think insurance will work this way, seems cool. Oh, and I don't know if this will even be a game".

Yeah he wrote a novel. And I didn't buy it. He didn't owe me an answer and I appreciated it anyway, but I didn't and don't see any caution, especially every time he writes another "novel" to defend the N-th unrealistic design promise. It's not about posting with disclaimers, it's about how much he argues with people that the Roberts bullshit is actually valid and real.

I don't think anyone here is bashing MrBloodworth, hell I am pretty sure we all like him. The bashing is for SC and Chris Roberts, and every time MrB defends them -based on nothing but hopes, dreams and press releases- he gets some collateral flak which I am sure he can handle.

I don't care if you bash the game, it deserves it for all the reason we all know. I'm talking about dog piling on MrB because he dared to have a positive thought about it.

You are particularly sensitive to the presumed dogpiling on MrB, except it doesn't exist. Different variation of ganging on people happened before on f13, and this is not even remotely one of those cases. And I am pretty sure that all the other people who had a positive thougth about Star Citizen in this thread didn't have anyone calling them insane whether in jest or not. It's that he has an alarming amount of positive thoughts about this, and while it's his prerogative to have them, it's mine and I guess someone else's to consider such a fact extremely weird. Hard not to voice it from time to time. Which is a million miles away from "dogpiling" and "bashing".

[Samwise]

He's just confusing "bashing" with "clinical interest and concern".   

[Draegan]

Yeah he wrote a novel. And I didn't buy it. He didn't owe me an answer and I appreciated it anyway, but I didn't and don't see any caution, especially every time he writes another "novel" to defend the N-th unrealistic design promise. It's not about posting with disclaimers, it's about how much he argues with people that the Roberts bullshit is actually valid and real.

I don't think anyone here is bashing MrBloodworth, hell I am pretty sure we all like him. The bashing is for SC and Chris Roberts, and every time MrB defends them -based on nothing but hopes, dreams and press releases- he gets some collateral flak which I am sure he can handle.

I don't care if you bash the game, it deserves it for all the reason we all know. I'm talking about dog piling on MrB because he dared to have a positive thought about it.

You are particularly sensitive to the presumed dogpiling on MrB, except it doesn't exist. Different variation of ganging on people happened before on f13, and this is not even remotely one of those cases. And I am pretty sure that all the other people who had a positive thougth about Star Citizen in this thread didn't have anyone calling them insane whether in jest or not. It's that he has an alarming amount of positive thoughts about this, and while it's his prerogative to have them, it's mine and I guess someone else's to consider such a fact extremely weird. Hard not to voice it from time to time. Which is a million miles away from "dogpiling" and "bashing".

I enjoy reading about updates on this game and Elite because I've been hoping for a fun Space game forever. This game's fundraising and design creep is fucking batshit crazy, we all agree on that. We've discussed it ad nauseum. However, I still enjoy reading updates about the game and the people who think it's their job to either bash anyone talking positive about the game, or remind us it's a scam every single time the thread is bumped is just old and tired.

If you don't want to believe MrB's response to you, fine, but enough already. The impression I get is that he understands all of your concerns, but he chooses to discuss design ideas anyway about the game because why not.

[Samwise]

I personally thought the description of crate-hiding gameplay was worth commenting on as it represented a whole new level of insanity. 

If you have ever played a game before and that description didn't sound insane to you, that is in itself interesting and worth commenting on, because how in the hell do you envision that actually being a thing.

[ezrast]

Or a fun thing, for that matter. I don't see how anyone who has played a game before and has critical thinking skills can find that scenario compelling at all. First, sit by yourself in a crate in deep space and hope somebody finds you. Are you exhilarated yet?? Then hope they're dumb enough not to identify you and incinerate you instantly, to showcase how much skill you have! After that, engage in PvP so asymmetrical it will make your eyes bleed, because who doesn't want to be forced into hand-to-hand combat while playing a trader in a goddamn spaceship game?

[rk47]

It's like 12 year old me explaining to my uncle that the perfect jet sim would be the one that I could fly over, hit the target, got shot by SAM, eject, and draw a pistol and hijack a Russian Mig to escape.
Now the look on their face should explain everything but I was young then and Battlefield 1942 finally came out.
Who's laughing now, bitches?  

[Hoax]

Or a fun thing, for that matter. I don't see how anyone who has played a game before and has critical thinking skills can find that scenario compelling at all. First, sit by yourself in a crate in deep space and hope somebody finds you. Are you exhilarated yet?? Then hope they're dumb enough not to identify you and incinerate you instantly, to showcase how much skill you have! After that, engage in PvP so asymmetrical it will make your eyes bleed, because who doesn't want to be forced into hand-to-hand combat while playing a trader in a goddamn spaceship game?

Stop being mean to Mr. Bloodworth that's not nice. What's the point of this thread if you're just gonna post shit like that?








PS fuck off Draegan you clown

[calapine]

Well, this thread is pretty shite. 

The valid points about the funding model dialed to 11 and the issues of feature creep have been made about 20 pages ago. Now it's just the same "LULZ it's a scam joke" again and again and again. Intersected with an informational post by Lucas ( ) once in while. It just get's old.

[lamaros]

But there was new information about how stupid it is. It's not like people are discussing the same old stuff, we're discussing how stupid the newly released information is. Why is that not reasonable?

[Samwise]

Some people say we've hit Peak Stupid on this topic and there is no possible way more stupid can be extracted.

I say drill, baby, drill.   

[Lantyssa]

Peak Stupid is logarithmic.  It may not increase in magnitude, but there's still plenty of it to go around.