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on: May 22, 2012, 06:01:06 PM

West and Zampella's lawsuit with Activision forced Bungie's entire contract to be revealed. The ripple effect of this is going to be huge.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-bungie-activision-contract-20120521,0,3463781.story

Summary - But you should really take the time to read it.

-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games releasing in 2013, 2015, 2017, and 2019.
-Four expansion packs releasing in 2014, 2016, 2018, and 2020.
-The main games will be retail.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.
-The first game will be an Xbox 360 and "Xbox 720" timed exclusive.
-Activision and Bungie are considering a PS3 version of the first game in 2014.
-The second game is targeted for 360, 720, PS4, and Windows PC, though the contract notes that some of those SKUs may be dropped if they decide they are not worthwhile or not technically feasible.
-Activision can terminate the contract without penalty if Destiny doesn't sell at least 5 million units in the first six months, or for any reason they please after the second expansion pack releases.
-Bungie is also working on a Marathon game, but currently no more than 5% of their staff (nor more than 5% of their key staff) can work on it, and the amount of employees that can work on it goes up slowly as they hit cumulative profit goals. There are also limits on when Bungie can release Marathon. For specifics on this see the contract images at the bottom since it's pretty lengthy.
-The game is targeting a rating of Teen/PEGI 16, but Bungie is not contractually held to hit this mark.
-The contract implies the game has in-game game masters, like those people who work for Blizzard and handle user requests in World of Warcraft while playing some kind of digital representation in the MMO world (or at least being accessible through in game chat).
-Bungie will receive a $2.5 million bonus if Destiny achieves a GameRankings.com rating of 90 or higher on Xbox 360 as measured 30 days after release.
-Bungie will also get a 20% royalty of the first $100 million in cumulative operating income, 24% on the income between $101-$400 million, and 35% on the income $401 million or above. These royalties are subject to a penalty of 2%, 2.4%, and 3.5% respectively if the games are delayed for reasons caused by Bungie within reason (i.e. if an earthquake destroys their studio they're not at fault, but if they just don't get the game done on time they are). These last two bullet points I'm leaving in the contract itself to cut down on OP length.

OP is assuming its somewhat of a design-goal of eve to make players happy.
this is however not the case.
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Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 10:34:56 PM

Yeesh, what a way to have a high profile game announced. PR must be going nuts.
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Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 12:23:41 AM

Bungie was under total radio silence too, no details about anything were even hinted at yet.

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Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 12:40:37 AM

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-Four games releasing in 2013, 2015, 2017, and 2019.
-Four expansion packs releasing in 2014, 2016, 2018, and 2020.
-Activision can terminate the contract without penalty if Destiny doesn't sell at least 5 million units in the first six months, or for any reason they please after the second expansion pack releases.

So it's a release a year, all from the same studio.

I'd bet a large amount of money that a number of people at Bungie are praying that Destiny sells 4.99 million units.

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Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 01:06:05 AM

Not seeing where it says this is MMO-like?
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Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 05:48:34 AM

Ahahah a gamerankings bonus. Yeesh.

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Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 10:51:06 AM

Ahahah a gamerankings bonus. Yeesh.

Yeah, and not just any ranking but a 90. I guess the $.5 million of that bonus is going to Gamerankings to make sure they get the bonus.  why so serious?

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Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 01:14:12 PM

There are so many amusing ways for Bungie to get absolutely fucked over with that contract. I assume that's why it was unsealed for this court case? To show Activision's practices in that regard?

But yes, I love how Bungie bemoaned their situation at Microsoft where they were tasked with pumping out sequel after sequel, phoning it in by the time ODST and Reach came around... and then immediately signed up with Activision to produce eight significant SKUs for a new IP over the course of a decade. At least they get to keep this IP, I guess?
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Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 01:41:33 PM

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-Bungie will receive a $2.5 million bonus if Destiny achieves a GameRankings.com rating of 90 or higher on Xbox 360 as measured 30 days after release.

This is the problem with the gaming industry. Fuck the lot of them. Every single one. I hope Valve eats every publisher, one by one.
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Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 01:42:25 PM

Also, goddamn. What a terrible contract. Are 8 year olds negotiating this shit?

Paging Curt Schilling.
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Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 02:26:36 PM

Also, goddamn. What a terrible contract. Are 8 year olds negotiating this shit?

I'm thinking methheads are on one side of the table with big fat bags of meth sitting on the other side of the table in front of Bobby Kotick, flanked by Satan.

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Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 05:22:12 PM

Develop-Online did a large breakdown of the contract, for anyone interested:

http://www.develop-online.net/features/1644/Revealed-The-huge-promises-and-secret-stipulations-behind-the-Bungie-Activision-deal

Here are some interesting tidbits:

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THE $7,500,000 ON-TIME BONUS
The total bonus pay Bungie receives if the first Destiny project remains on budget and on target for its 2013 release.

(Of the Total Bonus Pay, the maximum possible that can be distributed to staff is 20 per cent, or $1,500,000).

THE $2,500,000 METACRITIC BONUS
The total windfall Bungie receives if the first Destiny project receives a Gamerankings.com score above 90.

THE $25,000,000 SALES KING BONUS
The extra twenty-five million Bungie is granted if Activision makes $750 million in associated operating income during a twelve-month period.

THE $25,000,000 SALES MASTER BONUS
An extra $25m is added to the previous figure if Activision’s associated operating income hits $1 billion.

OPENING ROYALTY RATE
Royalties are on revenues after costs, not net receipts. Bungie is due 20 per cent of Activision’s annual operating income related to the Destiny and Comet business, if Activision’s said income is anything up to $100,000,000.

WINNING ROYALTY RATE
Bungie takes 35 per cent of said annual operating income if it climbs above $400,000,000. The smallest single royalty at this end of the scale is $140 million.

TOTAL MAXIMUM BUDGET FOR DESTINY 1
Though advances are not discussed in the contract, Activision said it agrees to go up to a maximum budget of $140,000,000 for the first Destiny game on Xbox 360.

However, this includes marketing costs, and because it is the maximum amount before royalty penalties are issued to Bungie, it should not be considered as an accurate guide to production costs.

2022
The first year Bungie will have rights to publish Destiny projects for itself, or with a publisher other than Activision (assuming previous deadlines and terms are met). However, Activision has first negotiating rights to publish future Destiny games.

2021
Bungie is generally banned from developing action shooters other than Destiny until 2018 (after the release of Comet 3), regardless of other stipulations. After then it would have to wait another three years to be able to publish such a game, but in any event must give Activision first rights to negotiate a publishing deal.

MARATHON COMEBACK
A maximum of about five per cent of key staff and five per cent of all other employees are free to prototype and self-fund a project called Marathon, which appears to be a reimagining of a previous Bungie game of the same name.

MARATHON FOR $375,000,000
Once $375,000,000 in operating income is made through the Destiny business, Marathon will be free to be published, and at this stage about 10 per cent of staff can work on the project.

FREEDOM FOR $750,000,000
As much as 25 per cent of the studio, and 25 per cent of its key members, are free to work on non-Activision games after $750,000,000 is made through the Destiny business
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Reply #12 on: May 23, 2012, 06:36:18 PM

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-Bungie will receive a $2.5 million bonus if Destiny achieves a GameRankings.com rating of 90 or higher on Xbox 360 as measured 30 days after release.

This is the problem with the gaming industry. Fuck the lot of them. Every single one. I hope Valve eats every publisher, one by one.

B..b..but they can't
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VALVE, EPIC, GEARBOX
All three studios are banned from developing any Destiny or Comet conversions or adaptations.

 Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 09:00:19 PM

God-willing, this keeps any company in the future from working with Activision.
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Reply #14 on: May 23, 2012, 09:24:10 PM

Fuck Bobby Kottick with a motorized rake.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #15 on: May 23, 2012, 09:41:18 PM

I also like how there's an "Infinity Ward" clause in there that allows Activision to seize the Destiny IP (keeping their own IP is the main reason Bungie signed up with Activision) if enough Bungie staff up and leave in a short enough period.
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Reply #16 on: May 23, 2012, 09:48:16 PM

That shit sounds familiar. "We won't fire you, but we"ll make you miserable enough to leave and then take your shit."

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #17 on: May 24, 2012, 01:32:44 PM

Also, goddamn. What a terrible contract. Are 8 year olds negotiating this shit?

Paging Curt Schilling.
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Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 05:03:58 AM

Why do developers work with Activision? Do they offer so much money it seems like it can't be turned down?
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Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 08:51:44 AM

You answered your own question.

Bungie will have some idea how much Halo generated for MS, and probably think they can repeat that again.

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Reply #20 on: May 25, 2012, 09:14:50 AM

What pisses me off the most about this is the Xbox 360 exclusive. There's another big budget scifi MMO(-like) on the horizon, and it's a fucking exclusive to a game console that's 6 years old and accordingly underpowered.

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Reply #21 on: May 25, 2012, 09:36:09 AM

Why do developers work with Activision? Do they offer so much money it seems like it can't be turned down?

Money and distribution channels, yes.  Want your game in a store, you have to go through a publisher.

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Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 01:56:17 PM

I also like how there's an "Infinity Ward" clause in there that allows Activision to seize the Destiny IP (keeping their own IP is the main reason Bungie signed up with Activision) if enough Bungie staff up and leave in a short enough period.

People are looking at this wrong.  Destiny is work-for-hire shit.... yah, Bungie isn't giving up anything but they don't give a shit about it.

Develop-Online did a large breakdown of the contract, for anyone interested:

http://www.develop-online.net/features/1644/Revealed-The-huge-promises-and-secret-stipulations-behind-the-Bungie-Activision-deal

MARATHON COMEBACK
A maximum of about five per cent of key staff and five per cent of all other employees are free to prototype and self-fund a project called Marathon, which appears to be a reimagining of a previous Bungie game of the same name.

MARATHON FOR $375,000,000
Once $375,000,000 in operating income is made through the Destiny business, Marathon will be free to be published, and at this stage about 10 per cent of staff can work on the project.

FREEDOM FOR $750,000,000
As much as 25 per cent of the studio, and 25 per cent of its key members, are free to work on non-Activision games after $750,000,000 is made through the Destiny business
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Bungie is using Destiny to fund Marathon, which it will completely own (including backstory) and will be published for free.  Marathon, by the way, is probably one of the most influential games that no one without a Mac played.

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!
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Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 01:59:05 PM

God-willing, this keeps any company in the future from working with Activision.
Unlikely. I'm willing to bet the deal Bungie got from Activision is considered a good one by video game standards.
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Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 03:03:49 PM

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!

Want.
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Reply #25 on: May 25, 2012, 10:52:52 PM

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!

Want.

It will be Xbox 720 exclusive and use the KinectPlus.

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Reply #26 on: May 25, 2012, 11:16:57 PM

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!

Want.

It will be Xbox 720 exclusive and use the KinectPlus.

Want want want. Plus a new Marathon anything would be shit hot.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #27 on: May 26, 2012, 02:13:15 AM

enjoy your diablo 3, folks.  hope it doesn't taste too much like activision.
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Reply #28 on: May 26, 2012, 07:49:54 AM

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!

Want.

It will be Xbox 720 exclusive and use the KinectPlus.
In 2024? It'll be a google goggles AR game set on subways. If we're still eating our media from a shared viewing TV in 12 years, I'll be shocked.
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Reply #29 on: May 26, 2012, 12:55:58 PM

God-willing, this keeps any company in the future from working with Activision.
Unlikely. I'm willing to bet the deal Bungie got from Activision is considered a good one by video game standards.


This has to be about as good as deals can get doesn't it? Not many out there with more leverage than Bungie surely?

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Reply #30 on: May 26, 2012, 10:03:57 PM

At this rate, expect a Myth reboot by 2024!

Want.

It will be Xbox 720 exclusive and use the KinectPlus.
In 2024? It'll be a google goggles AR game set on subways. If we're still eating our media from a shared viewing TV in 12 years, I'll be shocked.

Who mentioned TV? The KinectPlus is an implant.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #31 on: May 29, 2012, 01:49:42 PM

Who would of thought holodecks would be considered klunky by 2020.
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Reply #32 on: June 01, 2012, 11:40:03 AM

Does the Valve clause mean no Steam? Or just no Destiny-themed TF2 hat promos when it launches on Steam? Confused by that part.
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Reply #33 on: December 01, 2012, 01:15:23 AM

NECRO!

So, it seems, a Bungie employee left a flash drive in a restaurant a few days back and it had stuff related to Destiny on it. Some concept art and a thrust for the story that goes thusly:

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“Our story begins seven hundred years from now in the Last City on Earth, in a Solar System littered with the ruins of man’s Golden Age. A massive, mysterious alien ship hangs overhead like a second Moon. No one knows where it came from or what it’s here for, but only that it’s our protector. Meanwhile, strange, alien monsters creep in from the edge of the universe, determined to take Earth and the Last City. We are young ‘knights’ tasked with defending the remains of humanity, discovering the source of these monsters and – eventually – overcoming it.”

Bungie called it a fair cop and said the drive, images and text files were indeed theirs. They also threw out another bit of concept art.



The other leaked images can be found all over places like IGN.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #34 on: December 03, 2012, 07:39:09 AM

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