Complaints, gripes, kvetches...

[waffel]

Blizzard 'balancing' Monks:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271780011#1

We're in the process of removing the on-use benefits of the Mantra of Healing rune, Boon of Protection. The hotfix change is:

Amount of damage absorbed is now capped at the amount of healing provided by Mantra of Healing in the first 3 seconds after activation


We recommend discontinuing its use until the rune is replaced with a new rune and mechanic in a future patch.

Bashiok further down in the thread:

It's essentially being nerfed to the point of obsolescence until we can implement a new rune in its place in a future patch.

 

[Thrawn]

Just noticed another AH improvement that seems obvious that I would really, really like to see.  Saved searches.

Having a saved search for each of my slots would be a huge time saver.

[Fabricated]

Monks are pretty ridiculous. I'm playing one.

Also, all things said, this game gets a B from me. I don't know if I'll be reinstalling/running D3 the same way I did D2. I'll probably poke into the higher difficulties a bit, roll another class or two through normal at best. The game doesn't have the same stickiness to me, and to be honest I don't have the aspergers required to enjoy the highest difficulty levels.

[Threash]

That wasn't the monk skill that needed fixing, the costs were prohibiting enough.  The one that fed you shit tons of spirit on crits was the one needing toning down.

[kildorn]

The wizard forums are reporting the 35% damage cap rune on Energy Armor is also no longer working as intended as of an hour ago. I'm curious if they're going to post full notes of whatever they pushed live anywhere obvious (I can't find anything but single posts on changes so far)

Smoke Screen for DH's has been changed to 1s invuln/3s cooldown 2s/3s runed to prevent chaining.

edit: looks like they plan on posting the notes tomorrow after the changes are already live? That seems a bit clownshoes to me. Right now it's a game of "guess why what you were doing 10 minutes ago doesn't work anymore!"

[Lakov_Sanite]

I like playing my sword and board barb with my DH friend who can blow shit up after I stun, slow, and otherwise mess up their day. It's like a pvp approach to pve.

Playing a prot warrior is fine if that what you want to play.  I wanted to play a barbarian.

[Salamok]

I feel like the AH is just another form of some of the gear hack mods in previous diablos.  For me Diablo 1 & 2 were extremely replayable until I decided to hack in the best gear.  Of course this usually happened when I was getting bored with the game anyway but once I had better gear than I was every going to find while playing, there quickly became no reason to play.

In other words I think by introducing the AH (a legitimate gear hack) into the game they have harmed it's replay value as getting gold is the only point of loot, they may as well have just changed all drops to gold and offered all items in the AH direct from blizzard as 1 big super vendor.

Is the AH available to Hard Core characters?

[FieryBalrog]

There is a separate AH for HC chars, and no RMAH.

HC economy will be far superior due to smaller pool and items exiting. Too bad I don't want to play HC while their servers are still in debatable shape.

[Paelos]

Monks are pretty ridiculous. I'm playing one.

Also, all things said, this game gets a B from me. I don't know if I'll be reinstalling/running D3 the same way I did D2. I'll probably poke into the higher difficulties a bit, roll another class or two through normal at best. The game doesn't have the same stickiness to me, and to be honest I don't have the aspergers required to enjoy the highest difficulty levels.

Ok honestly question here. Do you still think you'll feel that way when D3 is on patch 1.8 a few years from now?

[Fabricated]

By then it'll have an expansion or two. I'll likely buy the expansions and run a toon or two through them, then stop I imagine.

[Paelos]

Ok so you do feel it's worthy of expansion buying. That's at least a good sign in my book.

[Ironwood]

So is this the time where I take up for Blizzard and Rokal shits on the game?

THE CIRCLE IS COMPLETE!

I'll probably be asking for Jay Wilson to be fired before the week is out. 

I'm not angry, I'm just a bit disappointed by the game. It's merely good when it could have been great. None of Blizzard's recent output has been particularly impressive (D3, SC2, Cata). D3 and SC2 in particular don't seem to have any ambition besides being better versions of the originals.

Fuck me, I'm in agreement with Rokal.

[Fabricated]

Yeah, it's worth a playthrough at least. That's good.

I just don't think I'll be doing what I did with D2 where me and like 4-5 of my friends would run characters up into hell, then reroll new ones of different classes and do it again, and again, and again. Most of my RL friends are like me and plan on playing a couple characters through normal/part of nightmare until we get bored.

I'll be back for expansions, but how much more play they get out of me is highly dependent on the length/quality of the content or if they do stuff like add major new features or classes.

[Merusk]

Chase that dragon, the next hit will do it for you.

Or maybe things change, as do you.

[Miasma]

D3 is a much better game than D1 or D2, the reason it doesn't seem as good is that we have all aged ten years since then.

[Furiously]

Yeah, it's worth a playthrough at least. That's good.

I just don't think I'll be doing what I did with D2 where me and like 4-5 of my friends would run characters up into hell, then reroll new ones of different classes and do it again, and again, and again. Most of my RL friends are like me and plan on playing a couple characters through normal/part of nightmare until we get bored.

I'll be back for expansions, but how much more play they get out of me is highly dependent on the length/quality of the content or if they do stuff like add major new features or classes.

Well the ability to change your spec definately hurt that sort of thing. But I'm not sad.

[proudft]

Since I started idly playing with the AH yesterday, alt-tabbing in and out from doing, like, work and stuff, I have a new complaint. It's broken about half the time.  I made about 350k from my 50k starting monies, but I could have made more, dammit! 

And now it's down again!   

[Thrawn]

Since I started idly playing with the AH yesterday, alt-tabbing in and out from doing, like, work and stuff, I have a new complaint. It's broken about half the time.  I made about 350k from my 50k starting monies, but I could have made more, dammit! 

And now it's down again!   

Wait until you wind up with all 10 slots occupied for 2 days, but all the auctions aren't actually visible to other people so they never sell.  The AH is pretty much a disaster as a whole right now due to how many issues it has. 

[Sky]

Just dropping by this subforum to point out that even in the robot jesus subforum the longest thread is the complaints thread. Ah, f13.

[Lakov_Sanite]

This isn't the thread you are looking for.

/handwave

[Job601]

That wasn't the monk skill that needed fixing, the costs were prohibiting enough.  The one that fed you shit tons of spirit on crits was the one needing toning down.

Oh, they nerfed that too, don't worry.  (probably needed to be done.)

[Rokal]

D3 is a much better game than D1 or D2, the reason it doesn't seem as good is that we have all aged ten years since then.

So has the industry. A $60 game with nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties is not even up to par for a game in 2012, not with the amount of competition out there and all the great ideas that have cropped up over the last 10 years. It's also not enough to say "the game isn't balanced well now, but neither was Diablo 2 until LoD." LoD showed that Blizzard learned what didn't work in Diablo 2 and fixed some of those problems. It's not acceptable that they've suddenly forgotten those lessons. People want extremely rare unique/legendary items to be worth using over garden-variety uncommons? Well no shit.

SWTOR doesn't get a free pass for lack of quest variety or missing features like dual-spec or a LFG tool even though WoW didn't add those things until multiple expansions later. Neither does Diablo 3 for having a broken loot model and nothing besides a campaign.

Sorry Diablo 3. It's not me, it's you.

[kildorn]

"nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties" describes every non multiplayer only game every created. That seems like a half baked idea: what exactly makes D3 worse than everything else released in say, the last year?

Skyrim is a game with nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties, for example. So is Hellgate: London.

The legendaries are stupid and under budget. The loot model itself is fundamentally sound, however. People are just upset that what they feel should be the best of the best can be topped by the RNG. I get it, but that does not somehow erase the rest of the system and give it a 0/10.

[Maledict]

Yeah,imsorryRokal but your post makes *zero* sense. It patently *is* you - which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

But Diablo has more gameplay and will last longer than almost every other PC game I've bought. The only others are Starcraft, work dof Warcraft and the various civ games over the last few years. 

Writing it off because all it has are a campaign and multiple difficulties is just plain wierd and nonsensical. Doesn't every game?

Oh, and it also has probably the best multiplayer system for playing with your friends I've ever seen in a game, which is fairly important.

[Selby]

People are just upset that what they feel should be the best of the best can be topped by the RNG. I get it, but that does not somehow erase the rest of the system and give it a 0/10.

Considering in original Diablo I the unique items paled in comparison compared to the random blue generated items except in a few off-the-beaten-path instances, nothing has changed here ;-)

[Lakov_Sanite]

Skyrim is a game with nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties, for example.

I disagree with what you said.

[Fabricated]

"nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties" describes every non multiplayer only game every created. That seems like a half baked idea: what exactly makes D3 worse than everything else released in say, the last year?

Skyrim is a game with nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties, for example. So is Hellgate: London.

Skyrim has a main campaign and then there's hundreds of hours of shit you can do just fucking about in both structured quests AND just doing random shit. Also multiple "endings" so to speak.

[Ingmar]

And yet I guarantee I will play more hours in Diablo 3 than I did in Skyrim, and I did more or less everything in Skyrim.

But the $60 value just isn't there guys. 

[kildorn]

"nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties" describes every non multiplayer only game every created. That seems like a half baked idea: what exactly makes D3 worse than everything else released in say, the last year?

Skyrim is a game with nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties, for example. So is Hellgate: London.

Skyrim has a main campaign and then there's hundreds of hours of shit you can do just fucking about in both structured quests AND just doing random shit. Also multiple "endings" so to speak.

But distilled, it's still a campaign, some side events, and a difficulty selector: True or False?

I'm not saying Skyrim sucks, or D3 rules. I'm saying "It's a campaign and a difficulty setting!" is the most nonsensical attack on a video game ever. "It doesn't have ENOUGH content" would be a valid complaint.

edit: for clarity as to why the statement jumped out at me as WTF: usually "just a campaign and difficulty" is a charge leveled at games that lack multiplayer options. Because it makes no sense against a game with multi. "I think the content is boring" or "I think the gameplay design sucks" would be charges you could level and not immediately sound like you're a crazy person. I can totally see D3 not being your kind of game (though honestly, if you hate D3 with a passion and adore PoE and TL2.. I don't know what's wrong with you), I just can't see attacking it on it having a campaign and a difficulty setting.

[Fabricated]

And yet I guarantee I will play more hours in Diablo 3 than I did in Skyrim, and I did more or less everything in Skyrim.

But the $60 value just isn't there guys. 

And I won't, so there isn't $60 to me.

But distilled, it's still a campaign, some side events, and a difficulty selector: True or False?

I'm not saying Skyrim sucks, or D3 rules. I'm saying "It's a campaign and a difficulty setting!" is the most nonsensical attack on a video game ever. "It doesn't have ENOUGH content" would be a valid complaint.

edit: for clarity as to why the statement jumped out at me as WTF: usually "just a campaign and difficulty" is a charge leveled at games that lack multiplayer options. Because it makes no sense against a game with multi. "I think the content is boring" or "I think the gameplay design sucks" would be charges you could level and not immediately sound like you're a crazy person. I can totally see D3 not being your kind of game (though honestly, if you hate D3 with a passion and adore PoE and TL2.. I don't know what's wrong with you), I just can't see attacking it on it having a campaign and a difficulty setting.

Saying "some" side content in reference to Skyrim is pretty laughable. You picked a bad game for comparison.

I don't hate D3. It's just definitely not a 10/10, 9/10, A+ title to me. It's a solid B, at best. I don't feel cheated, but I am honestly a bit disappointed.

[Rokal]

"nothing but a campaign and multiple difficulties" describes every non multiplayer only game every created.

It hardly even describes most games with a single-player campaign in the past year unless you're talking about Japanese games or games without any sort of budget. Skyrim has a notably lengthy campaign, what seems a like 800 side quests, and working mod tools coupled with an active modding community. If Skyrim had only the main campaign quests and 4 difficulties I wouldn't have thought much of it.

ME3 is a pretty good example of what most games look like these days. Single player campaign (preferably one that encourages replaying) combined with alternative game mode(s) to give the game extra life.

I doubt there are many Gears of War fans on these boards, but Gears 3 comes pretty close to delivering the 'complete package'.
-Decent length campaign with co-op enabled, multiple difficulties
-Horde mode
-Beast mode (horde mode in reverse, think L4D infected)
-Large variety of competitive multiplayer modes (4 or 5 of them?)

As the series went on over the course of 6 years they looked at what other games were doing, or what their game was lacking, and added more features and things to do. Relic did the same with the Dawn of War series, which is one of the reasons I enjoyed Dawn of War 2 more than SC2.

[Ironwood]

I keep getting killed by lag in my single player game.

No Seriously, Fuck You.

[Bann]

More excited to go home and play Dragons Dogma or the Torchlight 2 beta then d3 right now. I think 3 or 4 years from now I'll have probably ended up playing diablo 3 much more then either of those but right now its just not clicking with me. I logically think its a really well done game. I just had been waiting on it for so long and its slightly off-tune from what I was hoping. I'm sure they will add more events, redo skills, and make the itemization more interesting. I'll stop looking for the game I wanted this to be and enjoy the game it is. Maybe it'll take till the season 4 Hardcore no AH ladder or whatever, but I'm just more excited about other stuff right now.

[naum]

I keep getting killed by lag in my single player game.

No Seriously, Fuck You.

Been lag free until last night, when I noted some rubber-banding and time warping, almost led to a death…

…but yeah, lag in a "single player" game is way below average. 

[Xanthippe]

Sorry Diablo 3. It's not me, it's you.

Of course it's you. It's your opinion, which lots and lots of people don't share.

Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes a Great Game?

You can be disappointed all you want but you can't proclaim failure or success. You aren't qualified.