Kickstarter - The Thread.

[schild]

DON'T BACK SOFTWARE ON KICKSTARTER

DAMN, PEOPLE.

[Teleku]

Welp, looks like I have to fund another kickstarter game.   

I like the setting and the alignment system they've got going for the new Torment.  I can't help myself.

However, I've never played a single Ultima game (well, except for the Ultima Underworld games) in my life, and Richard shall see none of my money!

[Sky]

If you've played the Ultima games, it's even more depressing.

However, Torment does sounds pretty decent.

[Soln]

Gariott doing Kickstarter is like Jamie Diamond asking for a bail out.  Someone should UPS him a genital cuff.

[Furiously]

Gariott doing Kickstarter is like Jamie Diamond asking for a bail out.  Someone should UPS him a genital cuff.

Well...he did spend a bit of cash to go into space.

[satael]

Gariott doing Kickstarter is like Jamie Diamond asking for a bail out.  Someone should UPS him a genital cuff.

I think Garriot isn't to blame. If you can get people to give you a million dollars (the goal of the kickstarter) well in advance of you actually delivering anything (especially in this case with everything up to $100 pledges being purely digital and the actual physical products for pledges over $100 costing a minor part of the sum) then why not do it?

[Paelos]

Ethics?

[Sky]

I like the part where they talk more about how they're going to monetize the thing they make up-front profit on more than the game.

Then again, RG's ego is putting everything into livestream instead of actual updates, so who knows what the hell is going on? I'm not going to sit through hours of RG blathering into a webcam, ffs. This is a funny schtick, but a man has his limits.

[Soln]

I thought Kickstarter was for people who didn't have money.  And who needed help to produce a prototype or break into an industry. 

[Merusk]

I thought Kickstarter was for people who didn't have money.  And who needed help to produce a prototype or break into an industry. 

That was the initial idea.  Now that Congress legitimized micro-funding with last years bill, expect everyone and their brother to go looking to be risky with other people's money.  Particularly those who have failed before.

[UnSub]

I thought Kickstarter was for people who didn't have money.  And who needed help to produce a prototype or break into an industry. 

That idea (if ever true) died when Double Fine made a lot of money based on vague promises of a game sometime in the future.

[Krakrok]

I wonder if anyone has figured out that you could advertise a Kickstarter project to the 484k people who "like" Kickstarter on Facebook.

[Nerf]

I wonder if anyone has figured out that you could advertise a Kickstarter project to the 484k people who "like" Kickstarter on Facebook.

That sounds like a brilliant idea, but it'd probably cost quite a bit of cash...maybe they could use kickstarter to drum up funding for it?

[sickrubik]

I thought Kickstarter was for people who didn't have money.  And who needed help to produce a prototype or break into an industry. 

Eh. It's just always been about funding creative projects. Double Fine just gave it major exposure.

[sickrubik]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project?ref=live

So, now the movie industry/scene gets to have the same conversation that the games crowd had when Double Fine hit Kickstarter.

[Furiously]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project?ref=live

So, now the movie industry/scene gets to have the same conversation that the games crowd had when Double Fine hit Kickstarter.

I see Schild has already bought the $10,000 speaking role in the movie.

[MahrinSkel]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project?ref=live

So, now the movie industry/scene gets to have the same conversation that the games crowd had when Double Fine hit Kickstarter.

Not so much.  Kickstarter has had film projects on it for a long time (although usually documentaries), and 2M is a trivial amount of money by Hollywood standards.  If the project winds up raising 20M, then they'll pay attention.

--Dave

[sickrubik]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project?ref=live

So, now the movie industry/scene gets to have the same conversation that the games crowd had when Double Fine hit Kickstarter.

Not so much.  Kickstarter has had film projects on it for a long time (although usually documentaries), and 2M is a trivial amount of money by Hollywood standards.  If the project winds up raising 20M, then they'll pay attention.

--Dave

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

[Sky]

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

See where you went wrong there?

[sickrubik]

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

See where you went wrong there?

I'm sorry, I'm not following...

[Hutch]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project?ref=live

So, now the movie industry/scene gets to have the same conversation that the games crowd had when Double Fine hit Kickstarter.

Not so much.  Kickstarter has had film projects on it for a long time (although usually documentaries), and 2M is a trivial amount of money by Hollywood standards.  If the project winds up raising 20M, then they'll pay attention.

--Dave

I could, of course, be underestimating the size of the VM audience who has money to throw at a Kickstarter, but I expect the $2 million to be hit within a day, and then taper off sharply.

If they were to maintain their current rate (they won't), they'll have roughly $60 mill before the end of the Kickstarter period.

[Sky]

I'm sorry, I'm not following...

It was the part where you /were/ following. 'Convos' going on online.

Who in their right mind gives two fucks? Utterly meaninless and best ignored.

[sickrubik]

I'm sorry, I'm not following...

It was the part where you /were/ following. 'Convos' going on online.

Who in their right mind gives two fucks? Utterly meaninless and best ignored.

Oh, well.. we're actually on the same side of that. I just reported that the convo was happening. It actually amuses me greatly, I care not that much about it.

[MahrinSkel]

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

I was talking about Hollywood's reaction, not the public.  When Doublefine got 4M to make an adventure game, that attracted attention in the industy.  That's why you've got 'known names' like Garriott on Kickstarter now.  But 2M isn't enough to get Hollywood to do the same doubletake.

--Dave

[sickrubik]

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

I was talking about Hollywood's reaction, not the public.  When Doublefine got 4M to make an adventure game, that attracted attention in the industy.  That's why you've got 'known names' like Garriott on Kickstarter now.  But 2M isn't enough to get Hollywood to do the same doubletake.

--Dave

Well, your responded to me, so I took it as a correction/argument. I wasn't talking about that. I don't disagree with you on that at all.

[Furiously]

You haven't seen the convos going on online then. There are people freaking out about how this is terrible and that no one should contribute money because Hollywood has money, etc etc.

It is identical to the conversation freak out that happened with Double Fine.

I was talking about Hollywood's reaction, not the public.  When Doublefine got 4M to make an adventure game, that attracted attention in the industy.  That's why you've got 'known names' like Garriott on Kickstarter now.  But 2M isn't enough to get Hollywood to do the same doubletake.

--Dave

I dunno.... 2.4 Million in one day is enough to make a lot of people take notice I bet.

[Brogarn]

I dunno.... 2.4 Million in one day is enough to make a lot of people take notice I bet.

I agree. It's obviously not a way to fund the next CGI Summer Block Buster, but smaller projects certainly. Indy movies, movies based on TV shows with a huge following (such as the conversation starter), and smaller movies with lower budgets. Rom Coms with favorite actors/actresses. I don't know, I can see this as being not industry changing as a whole, but certainly a new way to get a movie or TV show made.

[schild]

Weren't there 2 kickstarted projects nominated for Oscars this year?

[schild]

Also Veronica Mars falls into the same nerd-circle-jerk vat that Joss Whedon and Double Fine does (and NPH and Tabletop, etc etc). So as long as all of this is kept within that sort of bullshit sector of Hollywood, I don't see anyone actually caring. I'd absolutely say the success here spawned from the Double Fine thing, rather than saying the movie industry will look at this thing as viable.

[Teleku]

I dunno.... 2.4 Million in one day is enough to make a lot of people take notice I bet.

I agree. It's obviously not a way to fund the next CGI Summer Block Buster, but smaller projects certainly. Indy movies, movies based on TV shows with a huge following (such as the conversation starter), and smaller movies with lower budgets. Rom Coms with favorite actors/actresses. I don't know, I can see this as being not industry changing as a whole, but certainly a new way to get a movie or TV show made.

The Paranormal Activity movies where produced for only a few million dollars each (and the first one was only $15,000), and its the same for most other found footage movies.  I'm sure somebody could easily make some good found footage films through kickstarter (if you like found footage movies, which I do.  I know a number of people here don't :p).

[pxib]

I'm guessing it'll kickstart 3-4 million, Warner Brothers will fail to promote it because HEY INTERNET, and it'll open in an absolute minimum number of theatres to supremely modest box office as a far cheaper and, thus, slightly less disappointing flop than the Firefly movie.

The wildcard is that Veronica Mars is a lot more mainstream than Firefly: Mystery solving romcom should have legs in a number of moviegoing demographics. If they can keep a lid on the fanwank there's a chance it'll make a few million and get enough exposure to up DVD sales and inspire copycats.

It'd have to feel like more than a 90 minute tribute episode, though, and I'm not sure the writers and director have the cinematic chops.

That said, I'd be happy to see an explosion of LETS GET THE ACTORS TOGETHER FOR 90 MINUTE TRIBUTE EPISODES kickstarters like there was an explosion of LETS GET THE PROGRAMMERS TOGETHER FOR TRIBUTE GAMES kickstarters. If nothing else, the intro videos would be entertaining.

[Thrawn]

Starting to get turned off to backing any board game stuff too.  Twice in the last two weeks I've seen games I considered backing for sale at Amazon or CoolStuffInc for WAY less than the Kickstarter price was.  While I understand the whole "Well, Kickstarter isnt' a pre-order service, blah blah." thing, when I need to back at $90 to get a game that will be on Amazon for $50 a month later if ends up being popular it doesn't give me much incentive to back something unless I think it's really amazing, won't get published without more backing and has plenty of backer bonuses.

[Sky]

Ok?

Backing board games tends to be more about exclusives. You can always find some online outlet that will dump prices.

Someone was just saying people would be better off buying Zombicide season 1 on amazon than adding it to the current KS pledge for $70. It tends to go for $68 on amazon and hovers $70-80 at most gaming sites, even if you have prime shipping (I do) and don't have to pay taxes (I do), you're only saving $2, and not contributing to stretches for the current campaign, and I'd like to see The Dude unlocked.

But in general, I recommend people just wait until retail to buy things. Seems way too many people get upset way too easy over silly games. If you have enough money to drop $70 on a board game, you should probably stop complaining altogether :p

[Strazos]

And boom goes the dynamite.

[Teleku]

For me, Kickstarter is donating money towards something I really want to see made.  Its great I get something out of it as well, but the main goal for me is to use my cash to help create a project I want to see out in the world.  I treat it like a donation, assuming I will never ever see anything for that money again.

Else, I'd just wait around and buy it on the assumption it will make it to retail someday.