NFL 2012

[Paelos]

Tebow was brought in because the owner wanted him, he wanted to win the press coverage battle with the Giants, and he wanted the extra ticket sales.

[naum]

Start the Michael Vick to the Jets rumors

According to a report from Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, Vick would be “amenable” to coming to the Jets if Sanchez isn’t in the equation. On the Jets’ side, coach Rex Ryan is said to have an “affinity” for Vick and Mehta spoke to a Jets source who was all in favor of Vick coming to New York.

[HaemishM]

Vick to the Jets. That would be a colossal clusterfuck, especially if Rex Ryan was still coach. Yeah, let's replace the non-mobile QB with accuracy issues who is a turnover machine with a MOBILE Qb with accuracy issues that is also a turnover machine.

[Trippy]

With the ease the Niners threw Smith under the bus...is he a cancer on the team or what? 

Doesn't seem like it. Some of the players like Vernon Davis are vocal supporters of him. He seems like a standup guy, too. Rarely complaining about things even during the "dark days" pre-Harbaugh.

[Segoris]

Vick to the Jets. That would be a colossal clusterfuck, especially if Rex Ryan was still coach. Yeah, let's replace the non-mobile QB with accuracy issues who is a turnover machine with a MOBILE Qb with accuracy issues that is also a turnover machine.

At least there won't be a controversy as to who is the starter in a given week when the new NYJ QB is out on injury....likely for more rib issues

[Segoris]

With the ease the Niners threw Smith under the bus...is he a cancer on the team or what? 

Doesn't seem like it. Some of the players like Vernon Davis are vocal supporters of him. He seems like a standup guy, too. Rarely complaining about things even during the "dark days" pre-Harbaugh.

This. It is just a case of him getting beat for the job. Quite likely, imo, that he'll land elsewhere with the QB draft prospects being so shitty

[Tannhauser]

I read a very

FUUUUUUUU. Tebow did not carry the fucking Broncos.

This. If anything, that defense carried the shit out of them until Tebow woke up in the fourth quarters of most of those games. I mean, did they beat ANYBODY by more than 10 points last year?

Tebow had some crazy comebacks/drives and shit, but his record is more an indicator of how good his defense played for 4 quarters than how he played for 1.

Also, the Wildcat. I keep hearing that he was brought in to run the wildcat but there really hasn't been any indication that was the case. What little Tebow running/wildcat style plays they called all season combined would barely be enough to be called a good drive in one game. The truth is no one knows why the fuck Tebow was brought in, least of all the guys responsible for bringing him in. And Rex Ryan is a massive douche who needs to be somebody's DC where he can't ever touch an offense.

I read a very recent Rex Ryan interview where he said they brought Tebow in to run the Wildcat.  Didn't they also hire a Dolphins coach that installed the Wildcat? Sparano?  Why they didn't use it much is the least of all mysteries surrounding the Jets this year.

As for bringing in Vick, that's going from the frying pan into the fire.

[ghost]

Fuck, at this point they might as well start Tebow.  I don't think it would be possible for him to be worse than Sanchez has been, and it would provide the side benefit of driving the nail in Tebow's media circus coffin as well.  It's a win-win.

[Tannhauser]

Would it?  Wouldn't Tebow crashing and burning bring down his trade value?  Maybe there's some stupid-ass owner (Hi Mr. Ford!) that thinks the Jets are 'ignoring his amazing potential'?

[sickrubik]

Trade value?

What trade value.

There was almost no interest in him when he was leaving the Broncos. Broncos got a 4th and a 6th...

He has no trade value or market NOW.

[ghost]

Maybe they could get Matt Leinart for him?   

[Paelos]

If anything, hiding him helps his trade value. It's like the old adage from Mark Twain. Better to keep your mouth closed and let them think you a fool, than open it and remove all doubt.

[Cyrrex]

The reason Vick has been such a disaster recently, I'm convinced, is because of this insane notion that he should somehow become a true pocket passer.  I understand the guy takes nasty hits, but his real value as a QB has always every been because he is an ultra-quick runner.  When he took over for McNabb, he killed everyone by running the shit out of them.  And because they were so afraid of him running, he could occasionally long bomb the shit out of them with his rocket launcher of an arm.  After taking too many hits, everyone decided he needed to stop running and start learning to camp out in the pocket.  He is not, and never will be a great pocket QB.  Average at best, with a serious tendency to turn the ball over.  Any team that takes him needs a solid 2nd string QB, because you have to let him run and take the risk.  He was dangerous for the same reasons that RG3 is dangerous (though RG3 appears to be better in the pocket, but I think we need more info to draw a conclusion on that).

Start Tebow.  If he fails, then so what?  You are already failing.  If he succeeds?  Well, then you have just proven without a doubt that there is a God, because how else could that fucking happen twice?

[ghost]

I think the idea with Vick was that he could improve as a pocket passer over time.  He hasn't.  If anything, he's regressed.  I think it's because they tried to do it in sudden fashion.  That's the sort of thing that could take years for a guy like him.  The dog thing really screwed his career.  He might have picked some of this up by now if he hadn't been in prison.

[sickrubik]

His best two years were AFTER the "dog thing"

I'm not sure the problem lies only with Vick for the Eagles. They've been battling with an O-Line that is playing much worse than it did last year.

[HaemishM]

Vick's biggest problem with the Eagles was that they WANTED to make him a pocket passer, true... but they didn't have an offensive line that could create a pocket with a needle, some thread and a goddamn pattern. So Vick tries to stay in the pocket to pass but then he has to run for his life but he's been told to pass before running so his feet want to run, his hands want to throw and then BAM, he gets slammed to the ground. AGAIN. And coughs up the ball. Or throws a pick.

They tried to do a lot with him, and they were going to get turnovers no matter how well he did. Not having an O line to protect him though is really what's killed him both physically and statistically. You can't pocket pass without protection unless you are Aaron Rodgers and even he has trouble sometimes.

Also Desean Jackson is an overrated, over-ego'ed piece of shit who quits on his team when he doesn't get paid, then quits on them when he does.

[WayAbvPar]

To be an accomplished pocket QB, you have to be able to make adjustments at the line and read defenses. Vick has proven that he isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. You do the math.

[Sjofn]

Also Desean Jackson is an overrated, over-ego'ed piece of shit who quits on his team when he doesn't get paid, then quits on them when he does.

Perfect for the Eagles. <3

Because fuck the Eagles.

[ghost]

His best two years were AFTER the "dog thing"

I'm not sure the problem lies only with Vick for the Eagles. They've been battling with an O-Line that is playing much worse than it did last year.

Yes, but he had two years lost in which he could have been developing himself as more of an NFL passer.  And the best two years he's had (which occurred after the dog incident) were years in which he was asked to do much of what he was doing earlier in his career, much of it from busted plays where he was just trying to make something happen. 

I still say he'd be a completely different player today if he hadn't been such an idiotic asshole at heart. 

[ghost]

Bengals win with 14 total rushing yards.   

[Paelos]

Nice job Seahawks. That was convincing.

[Abagadro]

Suck it Harbaugh you bitch.

[ghost]

Russel Wilson is ridiculous.  Nobody can catch him.  While I don't think it's necessarily probable because the playoffs are a whole different beast than the last 3-4 weeks of the season, the Seahawks appear to be playing well enough to take home the Superbowl. 

[Chimpy]

But Pete Carroll is a coaching cancer and the Seachickens are going to be terroble, right?

[ghost]

That was my initial thought, yeah.   

[Paelos]

I like Seattle's play, but the moment they put their feet on foreign soil, the playoffs will end for them.

[Ozzu]

I like Seattle's play, but the moment they put their feet on foreign soil, the playoffs will end for them.

That'll be in the first round where they'll more than likely face the Redskins or Cowboys depending on who wins that matchup in week 17.

I'm not sure the Cowboys can beat the Seahawks with all the injuries they have on defense, but I can hope.

[naum]

Bengals win with 14 total rushing yards.   

And without scoring an offensive touchdown.

Steelers exit in a terrible season -- with recriminations about offensive coordinator and aging players not making plays. Roethlisberger lost his fastball and cannot close anymore, and worse, threw picks that ended the game (and 10 points off Roethlisberger INT). Last week he shifted blame to play calling (which is true) but this week blew up over Mendenhall "trepidation" in short yardage running.

Defense played well enough to win but again, most of its top performers are in the twilight of their career and may not be back next season.

[Surlyboi]

I like Seattle's play, but the moment they put their feet on foreign soil, the playoffs will end for them.

That'll be in the first round where they'll more than likely face the Redskins or Cowboys depending on who wins that matchup in week 17.

I'm not sure the Cowboys can beat the Seahawks with all the injuries they have on defense, but I can hope.

The Cowboys won't do shit against the seahawks. The Skins, however could be a really good game.

[ghost]

I seriously doubt the Cowpokes can beat the Redskins in Washington.  The Redskins have put together a really nice season since they lost those 3 in a row mid season.

[Hoax]

I seriously doubt the Cowpokes can beat the Redskins in Washington.  The Redskins have put together a really nice season since they lost those 3 in a row mid season.

Romo is probably having the best year of his career, I think they can take them in Wash.

[Paelos]

Romo isn't my worry. Which is saying something.

[ghost]

Statistically it's probably his third or fourth best year, but I won't argue with you that he's certainly playing well right now.  If it weren't for the 3 or 4 odd games where he completely fucked the pooch I think you'd definitely be looking at his "best" year.

[Sir T]

This is probably politics bait but hey

Oakland, California, the fifth-most crime ridden city in America, faced a $32 million budget deficit last year. It closed the gap by dismissing a fourth of its police force, more than 200 officers.

Untouched was the $17.3 million that the city pays to stage 10 games a season for the National Football League’s Oakland Raiders and to host Major League Baseball’s Athletics in the O.co Coliseum. The funds cover debt financing and operations and are supplemented by $13.3 million from surrounding Alameda County, based on data compiled by Bloomberg from public records.

...

Oakland mirrors dozens of other U.S. cities and states whose taxpayers provide publicly owned facilities and financial subsidies to teams in the NFL, the most popular U.S. sports league with more than $9 billion in annual revenue. Jacksonville, Florida, also fired police officers and cut services while lowering the Jaguars’ rent 11 times since 1993 and deferring $12.3 million in rent payments.

Taxpayers have committed $18.6 billion since 1992 to subsidies for the NFL’s 32 teams, counting the expense of building stadiums, forgone real estate taxes, land and infrastructure improvements, and interest costs on public bonds, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Eighteen of the teams are owned by billionaires.

[Surlyboi]

Yeah, it may end up in politics, but jesus, that's dumb.