NFL 2012

[Paelos]

Could the Titans be in the market for a QB next year too?

They absolutely SHOULD be. I don't think they can get one though. The only real choices coming out are Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley. Go ahead and take a USC QB, Titans. I'm sure it will work out.  

[Bungee]

To be just a little fair to Mark, that was a super shitty snap.   

It's just his body control. Or lack thereof. I get that the procedure of receiving a snap is somewhat automated. And that QBs generally aren't the greatest athletes on the field. But c'mon man...

[HaemishM]

Could the Titans be in the market for a QB next year too?

They absolutely SHOULD be. I don't think they can get one though. The only real choices coming out are Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley. Go ahead and take a USC QB, Titans. I'm sure it will work out.  

After Locker, I'd be more inclined to think they'd go for a Matt Flynn or Alex Smith before they draft another QB in the first round, especially with this year's class being so uninspiring.

[Paelos]

On Thursday the 27th, if yall are really bored, take a look at the Military Bowl and watch David Fales out of San Jose State. He's one of those QB kids who I think could be on an NFL roster in a couple years. In his first starting season he's gone for almost 3800 yards, 72% completion, 31 TDs, 9 picks, and came within 3 points of taking Stanford to OT.

[sickrubik]

The Inevitable has been confirmed. McElroy will start versus Chargers.

Enjoy the CFL, Tebow.

[Fordel]

What is he going to do in the CFL? That's an even bigger passing league.

[sickrubik]

What is he going to do in the CFL? That's an even bigger passing league.

I didn't say succeed did I?

[Fordel]

Then how is he going to Enjoy it!

[sickrubik]

Then how is he going to Enjoy it!

Everyone is nicer there.

[Paelos]

Wow, they obviously don't want to sell tickets to those games. Putting Tebow in to start would at least sell out the crappy meangingless Chargers game.

[Fordel]

When was the last time the Jets made a good decision, in any fashion?

[Paelos]

When was the last time the Jets made a good decision, in any fashion?

Signing Curtis Martin as a restricted FA in 1998.

[Ingmar]

Ironically that was not the last time Curtis Martin made a good decision.

[Paelos]

Dan Patrick made a good point about not playing Tebow. The Jets are terrified that if he plays well, the fans will want to keep him instead of dumping their roster. The situation is so crazy it's beyond stupid. They are afraid Tebow will succeed because it would validate their stupidity.

[HaemishM]

That makes perfect sense, and is exactly the kind of shit I was talking about when I ridiculed the trade way back when. You can't play Tebow. The coaches obviously don't trust him to win games, because if they did, they would have started him against the Titans and not Sancheeze, or they would have gone to him after the 2nd or 3rd pick. If you play him now when the games don't mean shit and he WINS, you can't cut him or the fanbase will revolt and even if he wins, the likelihood of any team trading any value for him in the offseason is goddamn nil. There is no Tebow market. Anybody that wants him knows he'll probably be available for league fucking minimum next year and really the only team I can see wanting him is Jacksonville and that's a stretch. It's insane, and just highlights how fucking stupid the trade to get him was in the first place. He's not the reason they lost this year, but that trade is certainly the reason this team has been such a trainwreck this year.

So I put the Jets in the market for a QB next year and not a veteran. This has got to be one of the places I expect to make moves for Flynn or Cousins. I don't think they'll be in on Alex Smith though. The fans won't want him. I think Smith may have a market almost as bad as Tebow. Frankly, Seattle and Washington are going to have guys banging down their door for those two and if they are smart, they trade for draft picks, grab one of this year's draft QB's as a development pick and stock the fuck up in areas of need.

[sickrubik]

There was BARELY a market for him before. Broncos got a 4th and a 6th for him.... and all the Tebowners were clamoring for a 2nd or higher.

He'll be cut. Everyone knows that it's over for him there, so there's no reason to rush out and offer a trade. Just wait for him to be cut.

Manish Mehta reporting that Tebow will demand a trade

amazing.

[Paelos]

The only market left for him now is Jacksonville. It's a 2-12 club with absolutely nothing. They can't give the tickets away. They have the QB contest between Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne, two guys that can't even post a passer rating in the 80s. They lost to the Dolphins 24-3. They lost to Buffalo. Buffalo's won 2 games since the bye: JAX and MIA.

I went on Stub hub to see what tickets are like for the JAX game for the Patriots. It's not some scrub team coming in. It's the Patriots. You can sit in section 232 on the 10 yard line for $36. Those tickets in New England for the crappy Miami game? $209.

[01101010]

I am a wait and see with the Jets with McElroy at the helm. I suspect he is better than serviceable and the only reason he was #2 was because the Jets did the Tebow and had to justify it.

[Segoris]

Not only would Tebow be great on the Jags for selling tickets, he'd also be great as MJD's fullback and lead blocker. They seem to need a few more sturdy bodies in the backfield too

[Ingmar]

I really don't think Alex Smith will have a lot of trouble finding a job. He's not going to get a 6 year contract or anything, but he'll do fine. There are a shitload of teams where he'd be an upgrade.

[sickrubik]

I really don't think Alex Smith will have a lot of trouble finding a job. He's not going to get a 6 year contract or anything, but he'll do fine. There are a shitload of teams where he'd be an upgrade.

Like the Jets!

[Ingmar]

The traditional ex-49er QB destination would be the Chiefs, of course.

[Paelos]

Smith has been progressively improving on his efficiency. A lot of that is because the system is designed to protect him. In 2011, Smith was 20th in passing attempts 17th in yards per attempt. A lot of what he's been coached to do is protect the ball and make necessary checkdowns. The result is that he had the fewest picks of any QB in the league.

That's an outstanding asset on a team with a great defense. Protect the ball, wear down the other team, and win games. However, the moment you have a better option for a down the field gamechanging QB, the team should take it. Smith would be a terrible fit for any of the teams that might need QBs right now, with the singular exception of the Jets. And it would only work on the Jets if they would stop with the fucking mind games and fire Rex Ryan. That clubhouse is completely dysfunctional.

[HaemishM]

Alex Smith would be terrible for the Jets because that offense has no one to throw to AND doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be. It's running game is inconsistent at best and when they've tried to air it out either no one is open or Sanchez misses everyone but the other team.

He'll get a job as a backup. I doubt very seriously Smith is going to get a job as a starter unless he's the last choice left. He'll want more money than owners are wiling to pay and very few fanbases are going to want him over the other potential options.

[Paelos]

The Jets would need new leadership, but I don't think they have terrible receivers. They just don't have an offensive minded coaching staff at all.

[Chimpy]

I think Shahid Khan is jockeying the Jags for a move to L.A. in a couple years and actually wants the team to tank so he can sell it to the league as "we have an old stadium that no one comes to yadda yadda".

[Ingmar]

LA needs a team. It sucks having no Big Rival.

[Trippy]

Harbaugh vs. Carroll is the new rivalry

[naum]

Let My Tebow Go

Last year, he took a team that was 1-4 to the A.F.C. West title and its first playoff game in seven years — and now he doesn’t even play. How is that possible? What’s more, even his ardent supporters admit he’s physically incompetent at the very position he’s supposed to be playing — his throwing motion is awkward, his passes are wobbly — yet, they argue, he seems to possess some higher talent, the oft-cited but ephemeral “intangibles.”

Tebow asks a profound question of his sport: Can a football player be different from his results? Evaluations of performance — beyond the stark statistic of victories over losses — can be notoriously poor, particularly for quarterbacks. After all, Tom Brady wasn’t picked until the sixth round of the draft. The commentariat’s description of Tebow’s “intangibles” are just another way of saying, “I have no idea what’s going on.” Can a quarterback with a 7-4 record be considered a bad quarterback? Was Tebow winning last season because he was somehow good in a way that nobody could explain? And if he wasn’t any good, why was he winning? According to Livy, the great Roman general Fabius said that results are the teachers of fools. But what teachers, other than results, do we have in football? Or in life?

[Paelos]

General Fabius would probably look at the 45-10 asskicking that Tom Brady put on him in the playoffs and said, "I'm going with the guy in the Uggs married to the panty model."

I guess they always forget that result.

[sickrubik]

FUUUUUUUU. Tebow did not carry the fucking Broncos.

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[Tannhauser]

With the ease the Niners threw Smith under the bus...is he a cancer on the team or what? 

As for Tebow, they brought him in to run the Wildcat.  So why didn't he?  The Jets make no gotdamn sense.

And the Titans tossing Locker?  Huh?  Already?  I thought this was the start of the Locker Era, not the end. 

[naum]

If the Jets were to acquire Alex Smith, I would see it in the same vein as when they splashed a lot of dough to pick up Neil O'Donnel back in the 90s -- a QB that could do OK in a tailored system and make good throws, not make mistakes, backed up by a great D. But I don't believe that model works in the NFL anymore -- your QB needs to make plays and you need a Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, etc.… …it's been 10+ years since we saw a team ride a mediocre QB to SB glory (TB in 2002?, Baltimore in 2000…). But those teams were blessed with coach/OC a bit more inventive/imaginative on offensive play calling than Rex Ryan…

…that said, from watching the Jets this year, it seems Rex Ryan main goal is to get fired.

[Malakili]

…that said, from watching the Jets this year, it seems Rex Ryan main goal is to get fired.

He is better off as a Defensive Coordinator anyway. 

[HaemishM]

FUUUUUUUU. Tebow did not carry the fucking Broncos.

This. If anything, that defense carried the shit out of them until Tebow woke up in the fourth quarters of most of those games. I mean, did they beat ANYBODY by more than 10 points last year?

Tebow had some crazy comebacks/drives and shit, but his record is more an indicator of how good his defense played for 4 quarters than how he played for 1.

Also, the Wildcat. I keep hearing that he was brought in to run the wildcat but there really hasn't been any indication that was the case. What little Tebow running/wildcat style plays they called all season combined would barely be enough to be called a good drive in one game. The truth is no one knows why the fuck Tebow was brought in, least of all the guys responsible for bringing him in. And Rex Ryan is a massive douche who needs to be somebody's DC where he can't ever touch an offense.