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Segoris
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No, they'd still have that atrocious offensive line. See last night's game to see how offensive talent doesn't matter when your QB is running for his life all game. I do count the o-line as part of the talen, and GB's offensive line is normally passable at least....unlike Chi's. Reason why I used the word normally. Horrible angles are a direct result of bad coaching. Tackling angles are some of the most basic coachable football skills. Yes, some guys will never get it right and sometimes guys just execute poorly. I'd say it ain't just the players, it's the coaching too.
To some extent yes, most of it comes down to players remembering what they're taught and not getting greedy/cocky and maintaining their role/angle/position/containment/etc. This didn't happen yesterday and as a result Rice made a 4th and 29 almost seem easy. If it was a result of bad coaching, there would have been plenty more plays of that sort yesterday and SD would not have been leading 13-10 at that point. |
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HaemishM
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San Diego was likely leading because Flacco is FUCKTASTICALLY BAD on the road. They were only leading by 3 at the time.
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Segoris
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So if SD was only winning because Flacco is fucktastically bad on the road, why wasn't SD also losing when Rivers is worse than Flacco (regardless of home/away) this year with 2x more INTs, 4:1 lost fumbles, and less yards? Regardless of the amount, a lead is a lead and Turner can't go on the field and tackle to fix an issue which wasn't an issue before hand (proving it's almost not the coaching problem for this issue)
I still agree overall - fire his ass. My only issue is that it should be done based on holding him accountable for what is within his control, and there was more than enough to do so 2 years ago.
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« Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 01:43:51 PM by Segoris »
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HaemishM
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If your defense can't tackle, you start firing defensive coaches until they can teach proper tackling or you can replace the shitty players that you have. So at the very least, their DC is probably culpable for it. Ultimately, though, the head coach has got to see that tackling is a problem (and I think it is for them) and fire someone or light someone up until it gets fixed and if it doesn't, BUH-BYE. For an similar situation, I think the Packers OC ought to be having his ass chewed regularly because not only is that line pretty weak even when the starters ARE in there, they never made any real adjustments to help the line last night against the Giants. At some point, they needed to put both a fullback and a tight end in the backfield to block for Rodgers because he was getting lit up. That's on the coaches. Same goes for the Bears' OC.
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Segoris
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Ultimately, though, the head coach has got to see that tackling is a problem (and I think it is for them)
Strongly disagree with that. SD is only 10th in the league in yards allowed per game, and 13th in scoring allowed. They held Bal to 10 points (an offense as a whole which is ranked 9th in scoring while averaging almost 26ppg) before the 4th and 29. Those are not the signs and stats of a team which is bad at tackling. The difference between this situation (a single, isolated play) and the Packers is that the Packers had issues all game and did not adjust. That is game time coaching errors on GB. For SD this is a couple players making mental mistakes, ones they don't normally make, at the same time. |
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Paelos
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Eagles...can they win this game? My gut says they have to show up at some point against a Panthers team that has no fucking clue. Still, how awesome did this matchup look in the summer when ESPN booked it? Vick v. Cam? The supposed NFC East pick vs the hot young rookie turned sophomore leader? Oh fuck they have 5 combined wins in week 12  EDIT: Or they can let Cam pick them apart for 14 before they know what's going on. "I've never seen wide receivers this open" - John Gruden. |
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« Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 06:08:21 PM by Paelos »
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Morat20
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I was watching the Texans game. As someone rooting for the Texans, I felt bad for Detroit on that play.
That being said: Their coach knew the rules, it wasn't like it was made last week. More importantly, and I realize my junior high football days are a mere dim memory in the ancient past, but our couch was kinda big on the "if the whistle ain't blown, the play ain't over" thing.
Wasn't a lot of excuse for the Detroit guys standing around with their thumb up their asses.
Still, had to hurt. He was pretty obviously down and they'd have never upheld the touchdown on review.
Watching both kickers choke was just as painful.
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Draegan
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What a shit game last night.
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sickrubik
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Broncos can clinch this week with a Win or SD loss.  Just give us the "z" already. |
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cmlancas
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Broncos can clinch this week with a Win or SD loss. Just give us the "z" already. Count on the Jets loss! |
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sickrubik
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Broncos can clinch this week with a Win or SD loss. Just give us the "z" already. Count on the Jets loss! Jets have nothing to do with this. If we win this week, we clinch. if SD loses to the Bengals, we clinch. We swept them so even if we end up both 8-8, we own the tiebreaker. |
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cmlancas
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I clearly wasn't paying attention. I meant to say Chargers. Fucking AFC.  |
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sickrubik
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I clearly wasn't paying attention. I meant to say Chargers. Fucking AFC. Well, Chargers DO play the Jets in Week 16... so the comment kinda made sense. |
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Paelos
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I hope the colts get in so Peyton may have to play his old team
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sickrubik
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I hope the colts get in so Peyton may have to play his old team
It's very likely that we'll get a Colts/Broncos Wildcard week 1 game. It would be fun to go through that and end up at the Super Manning Super Bowl. Peyton vs Eli in New Orleans. |
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Sjofn
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Eli never wins Manningbowls, DENIED.
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Cyrrex
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Eli against Peyton in a regular game? Peyton wins. In a Super Bowl? I would put my money on Eli.
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Paelos
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We all just want a bit more Tebow! |
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cmlancas
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Eli against Peyton in a regular game? Peyton wins. In a Super Bowl? I would put my money on Eli.
I think part of this is just how good NYG's front seven have been when they go to the big game. Doesn't matter that you can read defenses if you're forced to throw hot or to your check-down every other down. |
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HaemishM
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Wow, stay classy, Jets fans! That's pretty damn close to Philly or Kansas City fans. |
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Hoax
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KC fans don't yet deserve to be mentioned with Philly and NYJ fans do they? I know about the really classy injury cheer shit towards their QB this year but it should take years to make it into the same league as Eagles fans who are probably the worst fans for any american team in any sport.
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Fordel
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Philly fans are horrible in every sport ever. It's like some universal law of reality.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Paelos
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Philly fans are horrible in every sport ever. It's like some universal law of reality.
Bad women, bad taxes, bad weather, and access to entirely too much beer. |
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Draegan
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Phili fans are the worst. Jets aren't even as bad as them, but they're close.
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HaemishM
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KC fans don't yet deserve to be mentioned with Philly and NYJ fans do they? I know about the really classy injury cheer shit towards their QB this year but it should take years to make it into the same league as Eagles fans who are probably the worst fans for any american team in any sport.
No one is as bad as Philly fans. I did think the cheering of Matt Cassel's concussion was pretty shitty so they are probably on a par with Jets fans, despite not having a long history of shitty fan behavior. |
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El Gallo
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Not football but related. I was once at a Pens-Flyers game wearing a Lemieux jersey. I was surrounded on a concourse by a dozen or so guys chanting "we love cancer."
Gotta respect them for their consistency.
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This post makes me want to squeeze into my badass red jeans.
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Paelos
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Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Jovan Belcher of the Chiefs apparently killed his girlfriend, then drove to the KC team facility and killed himself. And you thought their season couldn't get any shittier  |
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sickrubik
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Apparently dude shot himself in front of GM/Coach.
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Tannhauser
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Is this another Junior Seau type medical situation? Had a kid 3 months ago. Tragic.
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Shannow
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and they are going to play tmw :wtf:
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This is just an awful story.
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Sjofn
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Why do some of these fuckheads insist on fucking killing their fucking girlfriend along with them?
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