NFL 2012

[ghost]

That was fucking amazing.   

[Cyrrex]

Detroit got screwed.  That rule is beyond stupid.

Also got screwed on the punt that was reviewed.  If the ball appears to touch a dude, and then the same dude immediately reacts with an "oh god, the ball just hit me I must find it!", then overturn the fucking play.

[Rasix]

Foot meet balls.   I want to say it's an accident, but it's Suh. 

[Ingmar]

Man, that doesn't even really look like an accident. That guy.

[Cyrrex]

When I originally saw it yesterday, I chalked it up as an accident....but looking at the slo-mo replay, he appears to deliberately extend his leg at the last instant for not good reason.  Does not seem like a normal reflexive action.

Dude has serious issues.

[Fordel]

How does that even happen?

[Bungee]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000099258/article/how-the-new-york-jets-lost-in-60-seconds-vs-patriots

[murdoc]

I'm having a miserable morning, but that .gif makes me laugh every single time.

[Fordel]

He seriously just plows right into that dudes ass. Full bore.


It's not like the dude fell on him, or suddenly backed into the lane or something. Just BAM!

[HaemishM]

What a Turkey Day slate of games.

Congratulations, Jim Schwartz. Not only can you not control your players, you can't control your own fucking reflexive roid rage. Why throw the flag? It's game 11 of the season in which EVERY FUCKING SCORING PLAY GETS REVIEWED. If this was game 1 or game 2, I could understand thinking you have to hissy fit and throw your challenge flag, but it isn't. You have had 10 previous games of every single score taking 30 seconds to 10 minutes to be confirmed. EVERY SINGLE SCORE. Put your dick back in your pocket and calm the fuck down and let the officials sort it out instead of knee jerk shit flinging like the monkey you appear to be. It's no wonder Suh think that a ball kick is a suitable end to every play or that your team can't stop getting penalties.

Is it stupid as fucking stupid can get to say that a play can't be reviewed because some twat tossed a hanky on the field at the wrong time? Why yes it is, and if the NFL doesn't change it, they might as well bring back the replacement refs because this shit is getting real. But there is no good reason to throw that flag at that point and no excuse. Show some fucking restraint or your players aren't ever going to learn to either. Welcome to not making the playoffs, jagoff.

Dallas. LOL. If only they could find that team which manages to make games competitive long after they've removed any chance of winning and play THAT team on every down. Doesn't help when their offensive line can't block a pack of cripples. Also, RGIII. I hate Dan Synder, but RGIII makes me root for the Skins.

The Jets. Jesus wept. Is there any team more committed to dropping the ugliest, stinking-est turds in the punch bowl week after week? They can't even claim it was against a great team, because the fuckups they made to lose the game to New England all happened against New England's defense, and that defense shouldn't scare anyone. No pass rush to speak of. Their best corner is one bender away from another suspension. Yet, somehow, the Jets find a way to give up 21 points to that defense in less than 60 seconds. It's just pure ineptitude. It's time to blow this whole thing up and start again - technically it was time last season with 2 minutes left to go in their season and their 'star' wideout pouting on the sidelines, but the owner is apparently a stubborn rich twat.

Fuck Mark Sanchez, fuck Rex Ryan and fuck their shitty GM. Chants of TEBOW ringing through the stadium the entire game should have told everyone involved what a bunch of clueless, classless fuckups they were but I'm sure we'll get five more weeks of Sanchez overpriced slow bus.

[Tannhauser]

Seriously, fuck those refs for letting that guy get up and run for a TD.  Lions can't beat both the Texans and the refs.  I'm getting sick of this league and their goober rules.  Sure, Swartz was a dillweed for throwing the flag, but that's still a stupid crazy rule. So we've had the Calvin Johnson rule and now we HAD BETTER get a Swartz rule.

Fuck the Lions over?  Sure why not, we'll change the rule in the offseason.  I know the Lions had a 1% change of making the playoffs, but that put the fatal bullet in their head.

Shitty shit season. 

[Hoax]

What can the Jets do at this point? Trade him to Arizona? He's broken and not going to get better unless they are going to clean out the entire coaching staff AND get rid of Tebow, Sanchez has completely cracked at this point and while he has always seemed a bit too much of a delicate flower I can't blame him this year, what a dumpster fire.

If it wouldn't make the Jets so much better I'd almost wish for San Diego to trade Sanchez for Rivers and the Jets 2014 first rounder or something. Both of those guys need a change of scenery so bad.

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The Lions rule made perfectly good sense, it wasn't what they intended to happen but it was the rules and Schwartz is a fucking toolbox. The you can't get a review after a penalty was designed to prevent delay of games while coaches decided if they wanted to challenge and the throwing a challenge flag on a play you can't challenge was meant as a prevent coaches from acting like Jim Schwartz rule on things like pass interference I'm pretty sure they made that rule BEFORE they made the quite new you can't win a challenge if you commit a penalty after the play.

As for letting him run, that is good officiating and what they tell the refs to do. Early whistles are much worse on balance than late whistles.

[Tannhauser]

But he was so clearly down by contact.  Everyone stopped playing.  It was just so obvious.  If it had been unclear I could have shrugged my shoulders.

And the Jets are 10 pounds of crazy in a 5 pound wet paper bag.  How they win any games is as big a mystery to me as the Kennedy assassination.

[Fordel]

If you stop playing before you hear a whistle, it's your own fault.


It's happened so many times before, and I'm sure it will happen again.

[JWIV]

Fucking terrible game today with Bad Road Flacco determined to overthrow people in the next timezone.

Then this happened.   

[MediumHigh]

Fucking terrible game today with Bad Road Flacco determined to overthrow people in the next timezone.

Then this happened.   

Was that the camera or did he just magically speed up...

[Cyrrex]

I think it is just the effect of the terrible framerate of the clip combined with the fact that the camera suddenly pans quickly to the left.

[JWIV]

I think it is just the effect of the terrible framerate of the clip combined with the fact that the camera suddenly pans quickly to the left.

He does get some acceleration as he cuts upfield, but not quite to that extent.   Video is here

http://www.businessinsider.com/video-ray-rice-converting-a-4th-and-29-might-be-the-play-of-the-year-2012-11#ooid=E5c2k4Nzr79hcHF6pOQtZnca5AcV82eF

[MrHat]

I was trying to find a .gif of the Boldin block because he killed a guy but I can't find it anywhere.

[JWIV]

I was trying to find a .gif of the Boldin block because he killed a guy but I can't find it anywhere.

That always makes me laugh when it happens.

[Shannow]

You know as much as I enjoyed the Pats destroying the Jets on Thursday, the DET-HOU game and that 4 and 29 make me want to poke my eyes out. Rich people problems I know but when you need the Texans and Ravens to lose some games to hopefully get a first round bye and the fucking missed field goals, stupid flag throws, and that FUCKING KEYSTONE COPS DEFENSE ON 4 and FUCKING  29 ...thats just rubbing it in.

[01101010]

I was trying to find a .gif of the Boldin block because he killed a guy but I can't find it anywhere.

That always makes me laugh when it happens.

I miss the days when tackling was taught, not banging into people with your upper body/helmet. Someone give Ronnie Lott a call and have him coach your DBs.

[Nebu]

I miss the day when it was considered a great hit when you planted our helmet under someone's chin.  Now it's a 4 figure fine. 

[Rasix]

In that day linebackers weren't 280lbs of pure muscle and ran 4.4 40s.  

If we allowed that type of hit now, you'd lose 30 players a week to concussions.  The nostalgia and "be a man" bullshit is grand and all, but it's fucking stupid. I'd rather these guys at least make to 30 before a light tap on their head knocks them flat.

edit: and yah, that was just a dumb tackle attempt. 

[ghost]

If we allowed that type of hit now, you'd lose 30 players a week to concussions.

If they would have known how to accurately assess for concussions and kept people out if it appeared dangerous they'd probably have lost close to that back in the good old days of football.

[Paelos]

A ton of NFL players are on HGH right now. The NFL wanted the testing in the bargaining agreement for blood testing, and not shockingly the players blocked it. Now they have to run some stupid study that will take another couple of years, and then the players can move on to some other untested regimen.

[Shannow]

how about lead with your shoulders and wrap up with your arms? Why the fuck people decided it would be a good idea to tackle with your head just because you are wearing a helmet is beyond me. Kids need to play rugby in the spring.

[HaemishM]

It's not often that I turn a Packers game off in frustration, but I just had to last night. It was FUCKING PAINFUL to watch Aaron Rodgers try to play football while running for his fucking life like he was Jay Cutler. He can't blame the lack of a running game, because they really tried to build a running game. But holy shit, that fucking offensive line went to absolute fucking tissue paper when Bulaga went out. There is no excuse for your backups to be THIS BAD. Yes, the Giants know how to rush the passer but fuck me, how is a guy supposed to pass the ball with no time to set his feet? Their O line play has been somewhat suspect all year but this game was just a fucking meltdown. They will not beat anyone in the playoffs with this. And their defense? Just as bad. They couldn't stop the run at all, and their pass rush was mostly nonexistent again AND they can't cover anyone going over the middle. They are decimated with injuries but backups aren't supposed to mean this much of a drop off in quality. Just a fucking shameful game from start to finish. And fuck you Eli for catching fire right after I bench your ass in fantasy. I should have known to start the little punk to give the Packers a chance.

Kaepernick didn't do quite as well this game against a shitty Saints defense but he did well enough, especially with that incredible defense. Aldon Smith is a beast. He's every bit as good (or better) than Clay Matthews AND he has guys almost as good as him around him. I just imagine how good the Packers could be with that much defensive talent.

Fuck you, Chargers. At home, against the terrible Joe Flacco and you can't stop a FOURTH AND FUCKING 29??? Why does Norv Turner still have a job?

EIGHT TURNOVERS. STEELERS LOSE TO THE BROWNS. LOLOCOPTER.

[Segoris]

Agree with the above mention of the red flag rule needing to go. That is some dumb shit. I'm fine with giving a penalty, but a review should never be skipped on plays which should be reviewed. Such bullshit.

Kaepernick didn't do quite as well this game against a shitty Saints defense but he did well enough, especially with that incredible defense. Aldon Smith is a beast. He's every bit as good (or better) than Clay Matthews AND he has guys almost as good as him around him. I just imagine how good the Packers could be with that much defensive talent.

Fun reading this line when I normally have to say "imagine how good the Bears would be with GB's offensive talent."

Fuck you, Chargers. At home, against the terrible Joe Flacco and you can't stop a FOURTH AND FUCKING 29??? Why does Norv Turner still have a job?

While I think Norv should have been let go before this year, that 4th and 29 should not be against him. He can't run onto the field and make the tackle. He did his part in coaching his team well enough to be in the lead and all but had the game wrapped up. Sadly, all Rice had to do was to cut across the field because 3 or 4 defenders took horrible fucking angles. It wasn't even some hard cut or some major juke, he just turned a little. That is not Norv's fault.

[Nebu]

In that day linebackers weren't 280lbs of pure muscle and ran 4.4 40s.  

I see that we both enjoy a good exaggeration.  My comment was mostly made in jest.

NFL LB's run a 4.5 to 4.7 40yd (measured much more accurately than when I ran my 4.5) and go about 240-260lbs.  (Patrick Willis = 240lbs, Ray Lewis = 240, DeMarcus Ware = 254).  

The hardest hitting DB I can think of was Steve Atwater who weighed about 220 and ran a 4.44 40 yd.  He and I played in the same era (and he was barely a step faster than I was).  

[HaemishM]

Kaepernick didn't do quite as well this game against a shitty Saints defense but he did well enough, especially with that incredible defense. Aldon Smith is a beast. He's every bit as good (or better) than Clay Matthews AND he has guys almost as good as him around him. I just imagine how good the Packers could be with that much defensive talent.

Fun reading this line when I normally have to say "imagine how good the Bears would be with GB's offensive talent."

No, they'd still have that atrocious offensive line. See last night's game to see how offensive talent doesn't matter when your QB is running for his life all game.

Fuck you, Chargers. At home, against the terrible Joe Flacco and you can't stop a FOURTH AND FUCKING 29??? Why does Norv Turner still have a job?

While I think Norv should have been let go before this year, that 4th and 29 should not be against him. He can't run onto the field and make the tackle. He did his part in coaching his team well enough to be in the lead and all but had the game wrapped up. Sadly, all Rice had to do was to cut across the field because 3 or 4 defenders took horrible fucking angles. It wasn't even some hard cut or some major juke, he just turned a little. That is not Norv's fault.

Horrible angles are a direct result of bad coaching. Tackling angles are some of the most basic coachable football skills. Yes, some guys will never get it right and sometimes guys just execute poorly. I'd say it ain't just the players, it's the coaching too.

[cmlancas]

The bottom line with coaches at any level is just win.  That doesn't necessarily mean a championship every season, but you must perform in line with your organization's expectations for the season.

For my home team, that's why Raheem Morris was out on his ass a season after his surprise 10-6 run. Also, why Jon Gruden came in and won Tony Dungy's TB championship.

[Chimpy]

The hardest hitting DB I can think of was Steve Atwater who weighed about 220 and ran a 4.44 40 yd.  He and I played in the same era (and he was barely a step faster than I was).  

What about Chuck Cecil?

[Nebu]

He's solid, but I like this hit better.  

For reference: Okoye was 6'1" and 260.

[Shannow]

No, they'd still have that atrocious offensive line. See last night's game to see how offensive talent doesn't matter when your QB is running for his life all game.

Which is why Dante Scarnecchia is the real reason the Pats are good each year. Thursday game was another example, two starting O-line out, and another almost flawless performance from the o-line.

Oh and Norv Turner is horrible, so horrible that blaming him for that 4 and 29 maybe just piling on at this point...:D