NFL 2012

[Tannhauser]

Santonio Holmes out for the year

The Jets are fucked, and New England can now run the fuck away with the AFC East. The Jets signed a veteran wideout I've never heard of to help out. Why not just toss money at T.O. or Ochocinco or even Burress? They'll likely be a damn sight better than anything else on that team and it's not like Rex Ryan doesn't love assholes on his team. Get prepared for the wheels on this bus to catch on fire before they fall the fuck right off.

A second Jet has hit the injured reserve list!

[Paelos]

Yeah Thurday Night Football! Who's excited about the...Cardinals versus...Rams...

Yeah nevermind.

[ghost]

It's better than the options, I suppose. Well, I take that back.  I'll probably watch USC versus Utah.

[Nebu]

Yeah Thurday Night Football! Who's excited about the...Cardinals versus...Rams...

Yeah nevermind.

There are some matchups worth watching in that game.  I'm interested in the quality of Arizona's defense.  

On a side note: Has anyone found a good website that explains the X's and O's of common defensive schemes?  I was trying to explain the differences in common defensive sets to someone at work and I thought they were going to blow their circle of willis.   

[ghost]

How about this?

[Nebu]

How about this?

WAY too basic.  I need something that explains cover schemes and zone responsibilities in different cover packages.  Blitz lanes, stunts, etc.  

I was trying to explain to the guy how we decide who covers the RB out of the backfield in Man vs a cover 2.  This becomes complicated if you blitz the strong safety or a corner.  

Anything that details why play action can be effective over one package and not another would be similarly helpful.

[ghost]

I doubt you'll find something that in depth on the internet, at least not easily. 

[Nebu]

I doubt you'll find something that in depth on the internet, at least not easily. 

That's why I asked.  I thought someone here may have dug something out of the depths. 

[Cyrrex]

I am getting a little tired of the unpredictability of this football season.  I mean, that should ordinarily be a good thing, but it is throwing my predictive abilities into complete disarray.  I can handle doing poorly in Fantasy Football, but not being able to pick the games worth a shit is really pissing me off. 

[sickrubik]

Sigh. So close for the Broncos... sadly Manning can't do it all himself, which is becoming apparent that is what is exactly happening at this point. Two HUGE mistakes by McGahee and another lousy fumble from Demaryius Thomas (the second in as many weeks)... plus Mays is perhaps the worst LB we've ever had. The entire Pats gameplan centered on Mays and running it down the throat of the Broncos.

And of course, we have people crying that we should have never gotten rid of Tebow. Yeah, he did SO WELL last year against the Pats.

[Paelos]

I am getting a little tired of the unpredictability of this football season.  I mean, that should ordinarily be a good thing, but it is throwing my predictive abilities into complete disarray.  I can handle doing poorly in Fantasy Football, but not being able to pick the games worth a shit is really pissing me off. 

Pick the team with a defense and a semi-functional QB. Profit.

[Tannhauser]

Wow, look at the NFC West.  49'ers are deadly and the Cards and Seahawks are quite respectable.  Hell, even St. Louis is showing signs of life.

Falcons and Texans, talk about tough, resilient teams.  5-0 start is the best in franchise history for Atlanta.  Ryan, Jones, Turner, White, man what weapons!

Had the misfortune to watch the Titans.  God, what a trainwreck.  They excel in no facet of the sport.

[Jimbo]

Wow Bears are 4 and 1, now if Cutler can stay healthy.

Not liking the Thursday Night Football, since Time Warner doesn't even carry it, hell it saves me money anyway, I'm working every other weekend so it isn't like I can watch them regularly.  Plus it never fails, I'll be working and put the game on and we get a flood of patients all watching some crazy shit about housewives or ancient aliens.

[HaemishM]

Sundays are just making me say "MOTHERFUCKER" over and over again.

Goddamnit, Packers, you can't hold a fucking 4 minute lead against a rookie QB on a rebuilding team? What... the... fuck? Or for that matter, you can't blow out a team you spent the first half dominating so hard you were up 21-3? I know Greg Jennings is out and Benson, Finley and Raji got hurt but FUCK ME. You seriously think you can contend looking like this shit? Great, you have a pass rush again, too bad you can't fucking cover ANYBODY. Or for that matter, protect your goddamn Future Hall of Fame QB long enough for him to make a goddamn pass.

Kansas City... you stay classy, you rampant shitpile of complete cockgobbling douchebags. Way to inspire your team to play their asses off for you, by howing cheers of derision on your QB that just got his clock cleaned and is writing on the ground with a fucking concussion. Did you just switch fanbases with the Eagles or the Browns, FFS? I may not be able to root for the Chiefs anymore. Also, it's Brady Quinn time. Not that he's going to do any better than Cassel because let's face it, this team has weapons but can't seem to use them worth a shit. Joe Flacco is not an elite QB and this game is exactly why I feel that way. 3 FG's against the CHIEFS, who turned the ball over 4 fucking time? That's not just good defense on the Chiefs' part, that's you being an inconsistent overrated douche.

The fucking Patriots offense absolutely OWNS Denver. I mean, it's insane how badly they got run the fuck over by that Pats offense, and it wasn't even Brady that much. They RAN THE BALL RIGHT DOWN YOUR THROAT and it was over. The fact that your HOF QB got you back within striking distance only shows how good he is even with a somewhat suspect offensive scheme and a fumbler running back. Also, fire your offensive coordinator, since the only time your offense works well is when Peyton is calling plays from the line of scrimmage instead of this dink and dunk shit the OC keeps feeding him from the sidelines.

RGIII killed me in fantasy football. I kept falling in and out of sleep in that game, but hand off hand off hand off did me no fucking good. Too bad he got slobberknockered when he should have slid. Also, too bad Kirk Cousins couldn't get a clean pocket enough to not miss his wideouts. He looked good despite the 2 picks but he's no RGIII.

Saints win. Still not a good team. San Diego still finds ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Can we seriously get Norv Turner back into an OC job instead of HC?

Both the Bears and Vikings are 4-1, which means the Packers are going to have a helluva time getting into the playoffs unless they get their shit together. The Vikes aren't that good, and the Bears will have some WTF games down the line, which gives me hope. But the Pack has got to get their shit straight.

What the hell Giants? Are you just trying to be assholes? Why spot the Browns 17 points? Is this a game of kick the retard by letting him get a few shots in before you give him an atomic wedgie and smear his face with honey and ants?

[Sir T]

He shure uses werds purdy.

[Paelos]

Baltimore confuses me. You have Ray Rice, a RB who was averaging 6 yards a carry in the game, and you only ran him 17 times. Meanwhile, you have a QB who's visually struggling, and you drop back to pass 31 times. Now, I'm not offensive coordinator, but it seems to me that when you're grinding down the opposition, you go with the hot hand on the ground.

Apparently Baltimore doesn't believe in ground and pound when they have the advantage up front.

[Nevermore]

San Diego still finds ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Can we seriously get Norv Turner back into an OC job instead of HC?

What, are you saying it wasn't a good idea to take out Ryan Mathews for Ronnie Brown on the final drive when you're trying to make a comeback? 

[ghost]

Goddamnit, Packers, you can't hold a fucking 4 minute lead against a rookie QB on a rebuilding team? What... the... fuck? Or for that matter, you can't blow out a team you spent the first half dominating so hard you were up 21-3? I know Greg Jennings is out and Benson, Finley and Raji got hurt but FUCK ME. You seriously think you can contend looking like this shit? Great, you have a pass rush again, too bad you can't fucking cover ANYBODY. Or for that matter, protect your goddamn Future Hall of Fame QB long enough for him to make a goddamn pass.

On the plus side, Randall Cobb continues to improve and look like he will be a serious contributor in the future.

[naum]

Kansas City... you stay classy, you rampant shitpile of complete cockgobbling douchebags. Way to inspire your team to play their asses off for you, by howing cheers of derision on your QB that just got his clock cleaned and is writing on the ground with a fucking concussion. Did you just switch fanbases with the Eagles or the Browns, FFS? I may not be able to root for the Chiefs anymore. Also, it's Brady Quinn time. Not that he's going to do any better than Cassel because let's face it, this team has weapons but can't seem to use them worth a shit. Joe Flacco is not an elite QB and this game is exactly why I feel that way. 3 FG's against the CHIEFS, who turned the ball over 4 fucking time? That's not just good defense on the Chiefs' part, that's you being an inconsistent overrated douche.

Remember being at a Cardinals game (when they played at Sun Devil) back in the 90s when Kent Graham was QB, got hurt, and then the crowd, similar to what happened in KC  over the weekend, erupted deliriously at the prospects of his replacement (which happened to be Jake Plummer, waiting in the wings, who played many a game on that very field and let the home team to the Rose Bowl in college campaign). It was a sickening sensation for me, and surprising, considering that half the stadium (or more) was filled with Giants fans (no longer an occurrence in Glendale U. of Phoenix stadium).

[Malakili]

Baltimore confuses me. You have Ray Rice, a RB who was averaging 6 yards a carry in the game, and you only ran him 17 times. Meanwhile, you have a QB who's visually struggling, and you drop back to pass 31 times. Now, I'm not offensive coordinator, but it seems to me that when you're grinding down the opposition, you go with the hot hand on the ground.

Apparently Baltimore doesn't believe in ground and pound when they have the advantage up front.

In Baltimore I think there is some psychological need to prove that Flacco is an "elite" QB or something.

[HaemishM]

That's exactly it. That need to prove your QB is the next big thing. I saw it last year with Matt Ryan. Your OC gets a weapon like a Julio Jones and all of a sudden they are airing the shit out left and right all game, despite the fact that he's not throwing worth a shit, or that he's getting asspounded by the D line. I call it Mike Martz Syndrome. At least Ryan seems to have gotten his shit together this year. Flacco is just going to continue to have games like yesterday where he's just the left side of useless. Sanchez was a victim of it last year.

Take what the defense gives you is a dirty word to some OC's.

[Paelos]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

[Shannow]

I call it Mike Martz Syndrome.
Take what the defense gives you is a dirty word to some OC's.

Superbowl 36 says hello.

[Fordel]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

The term lost what little meaning it had when people were still doubting Eli even after he won a god damned superbowl. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it comes into question again somehow, despite the fact he has two fucking rings. TWO.

[Zetleft]

All this talk of elite QBs I have to post this.  It's been making the rounds   

QBs Talkin Trash Facebook

[Trippy]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

The term lost what little meaning it had when people were still doubting Eli even after he won a god damned superbowl. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it comes into question again somehow, despite the fact he has two fucking rings. TWO.

Doesn't mean he's an elite quarterback.

[Malakili]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

Whether or not it has much meaning, it seems to be the discussion of a hugely disproportionate amount of sports talk radio, and I think QBs and teams are buying into the hype.

[Ingmar]

I call it Mike Martz Syndrome.
Take what the defense gives you is a dirty word to some OC's.

Superbowl 36 says hello.

Are you holding up a game where the winning QB had 145 passing yards as an argument in favor of "elite" QBs throwing downfield all the time? I need some more context here.

[Ingmar]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

The term lost what little meaning it had when people were still doubting Eli even after he won a god damned superbowl. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it comes into question again somehow, despite the fact he has two fucking rings. TWO.

Doesn't mean he's an elite quarterback.

Sure it does, John Clayton is the guy who harps on and on about elite QBs and he always counts Eli. 

It's a pointless distinction, I think.

[Sjofn]

Eli could have ten rings and still not be "elite," because he's fucking Eli Manning. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care, though.

[Tannhauser]

Does everyone consider Peyton an elite QB?  Yes.  Eli has won twice as many Super Bowls ergo he's elite as well.  Sorry he has the Manningface, sorry he doesn't have a sparkling personality. Was Jim Kelly an elite QB?  He never won a Super Bowl but was in four.  Yes.  Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl.  Yes, both Hall of Famers.  Where is the cutoff?  Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, but I don't know anyone who considers him an elite QB.

Long story short, if you call a QB 'elite' then others agree with you, he is.

[Rasix]

Even despite two disastrous games, he's 8-3 in the playoffs with numbers better than his career averages.  Right now, I'm not sure I'd pick any other quarterback with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.  Nothing seems to bother him.  

[Ingmar]

Does everyone consider Peyton an elite QB?  Yes.  Eli has won twice as many Super Bowls ergo he's elite as well.  Sorry he has the Manningface, sorry he doesn't have a sparkling personality. Was Jim Kelly an elite QB?  He never won a Super Bowl but was in four.  Yes.  Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl.  Yes, both Hall of Famers.  Where is the cutoff?  Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, but I don't know anyone who considers him an elite QB.

Long story short, if you call a QB 'elite' then others agree with you, he is.

How many others? I bet I can find someone somewhere to say Dilfer was elite.

It's pointless. To even have the conversation in the first place you have to agree on what elite even means in this context, which nobody will ever do.

[Paelos]

I think he's a good QB. A think the term "elite" QB is probably the dumbest thing in a long time. Mostly because the "elite" QBs who won Super Bowls are now on struggling teams because <gasp> their defense sucks.

Whether or not it has much meaning, it seems to be the discussion of a hugely disproportionate amount of sports talk radio, and I think QBs and teams are buying into the hype.

It's talked about on sportstalk radio because they are actively trolling their own audience for ratings and to fill time. It's a useless subjective distinction that means absolutely nothing. You can't ask if someone's won a ring, because that's a bianary answer, but if you ask if somebody is good? But no, good wasn't enough, then it became is he great? But no, great isn't fucking enough, so now is he elite? Next, when we get bored of that it will be, is he WORLD CLASS?!?!?

[ghost]

I think elite is better than world class.