NFL 2012

[sickrubik]

Who would take Tebow in trade? He's not worth what the Broncos would probably want, and he's too big a fan favorite to just toss away for nothing. If they got Manning, they'd probably just keep Tebow unless someone turned their heads.

Jags. He's a god there. I would be fine if they do keep him, but this could very well just be a chance to say "okay, we're moving on from the tebow experiment".

I just don't see Denver being a logical destination. They really don't have any of the kind of offensive weapons that Manning is going to want to play with. Think about Miami for a second - Brandon "Smack a Bitch" Marshall to throw to, Reggie Bush coming out of the backfield to catch passes and if they can sign Reggie Wayne, all of a sudden they are a bruising back and a slightly better O line from being a contender. They were playing really well at the end of the year with MATT FUCKING MOORE at QB. 

I think you're undervaluing the broncos players just a bit, and the Reggie Wayne point is kind of moot, as you can say the exact same thing about the Broncos. Wherever Manning goes, they'll make the Offense for him.

The only real advantage Miami has is that it's in Florida, which is a huge one for Manning.

[HaemishM]

I don't think I'm undervaluing the Broncos' offense. I don't think they have ANYBODY besides Tebow in that offense that would work as well outside of a Tebow offense. They'd be mediocre at best. Now their defense is pretty damn good and likely to get better. But that offense? No.

[sickrubik]

Given the "strategy" employed by the Broncos under Tebow, they had some lighter numbers, but they have a strong O-Line, McGahee had a great year, and Decker/Thomas did decent and Thomas showed some great potentia this year. Royal proved before that he can be good, but in that current system was not utilized, but he can be a great slot receiver. Of course, he's a free agent this year.

I think Thomas could have a 1200 yard season with Manning. McGahee is getting older, but probably has at least 1 or 2 seasons left in him.

They were far from the best, but they are not terrible, and could seriously do great with Manning, I feel.

[Malakili]

If Denver can get Manning and sign one speedy outside receiver, they could be legit.  Reggie Wayne doesn't quite have the jets he used to, but I think he is on the market right?  Wouldn't be surprised to see him sign wherever Peyton does.

[Segoris]

While Wayne isn't as fast as he was 10 years ago, Denarius Thomas is one of the fastest in the league. So they have a speedy outside receiver, and if they picked up Wayne they'd have a very solid WR group. Where they'd be lacking, imo, would be at TE, though they could very well have a hidden gem with all of their TE either being 6'4 or 6'5 at 250lbs. So they measure in well, I just don't know if they can compare with Clark as a receiving option.

[sickrubik]

Well, Clark was cut. I would LOVE to see the Broncos land Manning, Wayne and Clark. What the hell, throw in Saturday.

[sickrubik]

Per Adam Schefter:

Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. All that money goes to 28 other teams -- $1.6 million each -- except for Saints and Raiders, who don't get any but don't lose any.

[HaemishM]

They lost the cap space because they front-loaded deals during the uncapped year. Seems a bit harsh but I hate them both, so fuck them. $36 MILLION for the Skins though? OUCH. So much for a free-agent shopping spree to get RG3 some weapons.

[Draegan]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Fucking Redskins and Cowboys.


HAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks you for some extra cap space. kthx

[Paelos]

They lost the cap space because they front-loaded deals during the uncapped year. Seems a bit harsh but I hate them both, so fuck them. $36 MILLION for the Skins though? OUCH. So much for a free-agent shopping spree to get RG3 some weapons.

Reason #1,467 why having your owner as GM is fucking retarded. You can't even really hope Jerry keels over dead as a fan because his fuckstick son is in charge of our scouting and would inherit the team.

We have no realistic hope of winning the division at this point.

[Zetleft]

Sonofabitch

On the bright side at least they will prob dump off Newmans useless ass. 

[sickrubik]

Coming from a Broncos fan, I can certainly understand how much Shannahan can really fuck up the cap.

[shiznitz]

Denver does not need Wayne.  Denarius with Manning throwing to him might even be a 1st round WR pick in fantasy.  The guy is big, fast and can move after the catch.  Wherever Tebow goes, I hope for his sake they have an O-line.

[Cyrrex]

Denver does not need Wayne.  Denarius with Manning throwing to him might even be a 1st round WR pick in fantasy.  The guy is big, fast and can move after the catch.  Wherever Tebow goes, I hope for his sake they have an O-line.

What self-respecting team that has a good O-line would want Tebow?  That's when you want a great pocket passer.

Not that you aren't right.  It's a bit of a catch 22 for him.  Maybe the will let him go to college again?

And by the way, fucking Seattle, in case you haven't noticed, you NEED A GODDAMNED QUARTERBACK.  Feel free to do something about that, stupid fuckers.  And no, not Tim Tebow.

[sickrubik]

Denver does not need Wayne.  Denarius with Manning throwing to him might even be a 1st round WR pick in fantasy.  The guy is big, fast and can move after the catch.  Wherever Tebow goes, I hope for his sake they have an O-line.

It would be a stretch, a huge stretch to assume Denarius would be that good. I said I think he would get a 1200 yard season, but not a lot of people are going to grab someone who is essentially nameless int he first. You could pick him up easy in the 2nd or 3rd.

As for not needing him. Yeah, who wants TWO good receivers.

[01101010]

Denver does not need Wayne.  Denarius with Manning throwing to him might even be a 1st round WR pick in fantasy.  The guy is big, fast and can move after the catch.  Wherever Tebow goes, I hope for his sake they have an O-line.

What self-respecting team that has a good O-line would want Tebow?  That's when you want a great pocket passer.

Not that you aren't right.  It's a bit of a catch 22 for him.  Maybe the will let him go to college again?

And by the way, fucking Seattle, in case you haven't noticed, you NEED A GODDAMNED QUARTERBACK.  Feel free to do something about that, stupid fuckers.  And no, not Tim Tebow.

I can see Seattle being in play for Flynn. Hell, Leinart is available... 

[HaemishM]

Dolphins trade Brandon Marshall to Da Bears

Welp, so much for Manning to Miami. I do not see that cast of also-rans being able to attract Peyton Manning, and signing a Reggie Wayne isn't going to do it. He's probably best as a #2 receiver these days.

The Bears however, got a significant upgrade and only gave up 2 3rd round picks (2012 and 2013). Of course, after the ransom they paid for Cutler, their draft pick cupboard might still be bare, and they still have to get SOMEBODY to block for Cutler. And resign Forte. And keep Brandon Marhsall from choking a bitch.

[Rasix]

So much for Brandon Marshall's fantasy value.  I don't trust any WR on the Bears.

[K9]

If the Fins commit to going all in on Manning that limits their ability to approach Flynn. I could easily see Manning going to Denver, Flynn going to someone like Seattle and Miami ending up getting shafted.

As a Bears fan, I'm pretty content with that trade.

[Nevermore]

Dolphins trade Brandon Marshall to Da Bears

Welp, so much for Manning to Miami. I do not see that cast of also-rans being able to attract Peyton Manning, and signing a Reggie Wayne isn't going to do it. He's probably best as a #2 receiver these days.

Unless they also go for a Vincent Jackson.

[Bunk]

So much for Brandon Marshall's fantasy value.  I don't trust any WR on the Bears.

You were going to put faith in Henney over Cutler? Or were you assuming Manning was going to the Phins?

[Sauced]

The Bears however, got a significant upgrade and only gave up 2 3rd round picks (2012 and 2013). Of course, after the ransom they paid for Cutler, their draft pick cupboard might still be bare, and they still have to get SOMEBODY to block for Cutler. And resign Forte. And keep Brandon Marhsall from choking a bitch.

They were back at full picks last year, actually.  The 3rd they used this year was the pick they got for Greg Olsen last year, so they still have 3 picks in the top 80.

Now that they aren't dumping a fortune on Vincent Jackson or Mario Williams, they can pay Forte, or they can look at Eric Winston at OT who got cut in Houston for some reason.

[Rasix]

So much for Brandon Marshall's fantasy value.  I don't trust any WR on the Bears.

You were going to put faith in Henney over Cutler? Or were you assuming Manning was going to the Phins?

I just assume a Bear's quarterback doesn't know what a wide receiver is and/or WRs magically forget how to play when going to Chicago.

[Sauced]

The Bears "passing game coordinator" is Jeremy Bates, who was the OC in Denver when Cutler/Marshall had back-to-back 100 catch seasons.

Not that that means a damn thing in 2012, but still.

[WayAbvPar]

He stopped in Seattle to run our offense into the ground after that, so gl.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, but he had Tavaris Jackson at QB, so he might have had an excuse.

[Sauced]

He stopped in Seattle to run our offense into the ground after that, so gl.

If he was the OC, I'd be worried.  Technically, he's the QB coach.  I'm hoping Tice comes up a new "BM Ratio" for his passing game.

[Cyrrex]

Reggie Wayne is apparently telling the world he wants to stay in Indy...we'll see.  Kinda hard to believe.

Vincent Jackson has signed with the Bucs.  I don't know what to think about that.  Way to make yourself irrelevant?

Bears got a good deal getting Marshall.  Honestly, personality issues notwithstanding, I can't think of a better option for them.  Suddenly makes Hester a little more dangerous as well.

The thing about Matt Flynn...I am not buying in.  I am aware of his six touchdown game.  I am also aware that it was only like the second game he's ever played, and we do not have nearly enough to judge him on.  There is every chance that he will not be successful whereever he ends up.  Just by leaving Green Bay, he instantly becomes a lesser player.

Edit:  And Garcon to the Redskins, apparently.  Garcon was obviously better for playing with Manning, so I don't know what to think about this move.  Kinda meh.

[Chimpy]

Flynn is good. He came in for an injured Rodgers on a Thursday night game in Dallas a couple years ago and almost won the game, he played for an injured Rodgers against the Patriots in 2010 and did not make major mistakes and barely lost, and he had the last game this year where he played as perfect a game as you can expect a QB to play.

He is more of a sure thing than ANY rookie QB as he has actual NFL experience against good teams.

[Cyrrex]

Flynn is good. He came in for an injured Rodgers on a Thursday night game in Dallas a couple years ago and almost won the game, he played for an injured Rodgers against the Patriots in 2010 and did not make major mistakes and barely lost, and he had the last game this year where he played as perfect a game as you can expect a QB to play.

He is more of a sure thing than ANY rookie QB as he has actual NFL experience against good teams.

I will agree that he is more of a sure than than any rookie QB.  Primarily because I think rookiee QBs are a total crapshoot. 

Still, take him out of the GB environment, away from the team and coaching staff...and I don't know.  I actually hope Seattle lands him, but I still don't think we have enough reason to believe he is top 16 NFL talent.

[Segoris]

Nice pick up by the Bears with Marshall, I like it. Now if only they could pick up some new O-linemen.

Edit:  And Garcon to the Redskins, apparently.  Garcon was obviously better for playing with Manning, so I don't know what to think about this move.  Kinda meh.

The Skins will have an upgrade at QB and two new WR (Josh Morgan as well as Garcon), and a potentially good run game if they can stay healthy. So these WR moves will not get as much attention as they deserve, but it's a huge upgrade for the Skins. Garcon also did have his best year yet in 2011 - without Manning. Additionally, they're supposedly working on signing Eddie Royal, meaning next years Redskins could be a completely turned around team.

Welp, so much for Manning to Miami. I do not see that cast of also-rans being able to attract Peyton Manning, and signing a Reggie Wayne isn't going to do it. He's probably best as a #2 receiver these days.

Supposedly it's the opposite as Manning didn't want to play with Marshall.

[HaemishM]

With Jackson off the market, Marshall fucked off to Chicago, Garcon in Washington, Colston back in New Orleans, the only marquee guys left for Miami to sign are Manningham (LOL) and Wayne? I do not see either of those guys making Miami an attractive target for Manning. Maybe Wayne, but again, I don't see him as a big #1 threat anymore. Of course, Manning can make anyone better than they appear but that's looking less likely to me now and Arizona more likely. Manning to Fitzgerald would be scary as fuck but they better get some blocking.

As for Jackson to Tampa, they just signed Carl Nicks (G) from the Saints and cornerback Eric Wright. I think if you give Freeman time to throw, he's good and Jackson can make that team better. But yeah, I think Jackson's fantasy value just went down.

Meachem goes to the Chargers, Finnegan to the Rams, Garcon to the Skins. Of those deals, I think Garcon was the best. Garcon is a deep threat - his biggest weakness is an more than occasional case of the dropsies.

Flynn is a LOT better than anybody else on the market or in the draft other than Manning, IMO. He's going to end up being the Matt Hasselbeck type, IMO. He came one minute away from beating the Patriots in 2010 with a Green Bay team that, while it won the Super Bowl that year, had not hit its stride. They still hadn't even qualified for the playoffs at that time, and their running game was almost nonexistant until Starks took off in the playoffs. The Pats defense in 2010 was better than it was last year, and keep in mind that his 6 TD game came against Detroit, who had one helluva pass rush. As long as he has SOMEBODY to throw to, he will be good. He's got poise, a decent arm and makes good decisions.

[Rasix]

And keep Brandon Marhsall from choking a bitch.

Well, that didn't take long.

[ghost]

And keep Brandon Marhsall from choking a bitch.

Well, that didn't take long.

 

[Paelos]

Atlanta radio folks are losing their minds over the fact the Falcons aren't doing diddly-shit in FA, nor do they have any draft picks.