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Topic: Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread [Spoiler tag free, beware] (Read 526711 times)
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Sjofn
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I don't think the issue is about the ability to feel bad for people in a bad situation, it's where you set the bar for deciding what is a bad situation. Getting lambasted for something that isn't your fault is a bad situation, simple as that. The "issue" is trying to create artificial divide where none is needed. To put it differently, seeing someone getting kicked in the balls won't make me instinctively cringe and cross my legs any less when that kick is done by a naked supermodel. And i don't think it'll make that kicked guy physically hurt less, either. I dunno, some people are into that.  |
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Margalis
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I once interviewed a guy who was working on Splatterhouse. You know what happened to them? One day a truck and some people showed up at their office and made them put all their equipment in said truck, which then drove off. And that was it. Pretty ignominious way to lose a job.
Now if that truck had instead been dropping off cupcakes? Yeah I'm going to say that's a better situation to be in.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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tmp
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That's the point, though, it IS about that divide. Your example relies on being on the other side of it. You're comparing getting physically kicked in the balls to the pain of having someone send you cupcakes. It's possible i'm wording it wrong, but no, that's not what i'm doing. My point would be rather that if you send that cupcake as passive-aggressive attempt to say "you suck" to two different people, they're likely to feel similar about that experience (as long as their mentality is similar, of course) That said, if anyone feels like sending some naked supermodels my way, i am inclined to test whether receiving a kick from one would be indeed comparable to the pain of receiving a cupcake. for SCIENCE~ |
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« Last Edit: March 31, 2012, 06:15:14 PM by tmp »
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tmp
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Margalis
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One other thing I want to state more directly is that even really shitty games often have people who work very hard on them and/or are pretty talented. A smallish video game production from a major developer is still going to be like 20+ people and some outsourcers, and a large one is going to be hundreds of people total. There's only so much any one person can do to make a game good. A lot of things outside of any one person's control have to come together.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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tmp
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ouch  also, from the maker of Minecraft, http://marseffect.net/• Hard science fiction.
• Lots of engineering.
• Fully working computer system.
• Space battles against the AI or other players.
• A game ending that makes sense.
• Abandoned ships full of loot.
• Waist high walls.
• Seamlessly landing on planets.
• Advanced economy system.
• Mining, trading, and looting.
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taolurker
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« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 06:08:29 AM by taolurker »
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Lakov_Sanite
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Sounds like an honest review |
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MournelitheCalix
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I once interviewed a guy who was working on Splatterhouse. You know what happened to them? One day a truck and some people showed up at their office and made them put all their equipment in said truck, which then drove off. And that was it. Pretty ignominious way to lose a job.
Now if that truck had instead been dropping off cupcakes? Yeah I'm going to say that's a better situation to be in.
Made them put their equipment in the truck? Wow, My response would have been go fuck yourself. Why exactly would anyone do that I have no idea. Oh and on a side note the April Fools jokes are awesome! I hope some Dr's are enjoying the humor I know I am. |
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« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 08:49:02 AM by MournelitheCalix »
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Born too late to explore the new world.
Born too early to explore the universe.
Born just in time to see liberty die.
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Tannhauser
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I bet some blood pressures are spiking at Bioware/EA. That's some funnay shit!
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schild
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Yeah, I have zero sympathy sorry.
What about people who spend 5 years working as the guy who models the stadiums in Madden? Or the guy who works on 3 straight Spongebob Squarepants DS games that all get shit on in reviews, then gets laid off and can't find another job because he only worked on shitty DS games? What about the guys who worked on Scratch: Ultimate DJ? Or people who have spent 5 straight years working on different projects all of which were cancelled and have zero published titles to their credit?
If you spent a lot of time and effort working on ME3 you have it great compared to most people in the video game industry, even if people are shitting on one part of your game. Like, I'm supposed to feel bad for these guys and not the guys who made Thor? For the most part these guys have it good. Sure, it sucks to have people bash your shitty ending that totally deserves bashing but then again it also sucks to come into work one day and have a security guard escort you and all you friends down to the parking lot.
There are a billion people who work in games who put a lot of effort into something that is panned and sells like garbage despite their best efforts, and most of them would swap with a ME3 guy in a second, despite the incredible psychological damage they suffer by receiving cupcakes.
Feeling sorry for guys who worked on a huge hit that got great reviews that is criticized for 2% of the total game is just ridiculous unless you are also going to feel sorry for like 15 thousand less fortunate people. I'm not saying it's right to be total dicks to them but they are in a comparatively awesome situation vs. most people.
That entire post is very, very stupid. |
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Simond
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Someone told me that's the edited version. Here is what was supposed to be there originally: http://i.imgur.com/aH22u.jpgI don't know if it's real or not, though. |
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« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 01:04:53 PM by Simond »
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Special J
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Welp. I've stayed away from any ending discussions until I got through it. I really, really liked this series; For any of it's flaws, I didn't care, but it all together and it was just awesome in my eyes. I was a fanboy and even ate up their day 1 DLC. So I do the ending and at first "meh, not very good but maybe getting blown out proportion". Then I watched it again without fanboy goggles and "FUUUUUUUUU---!!!" So if Bioware claims the ending was supposed to make us think, they succeeded. Unfortunately we're thinking because we're trying to make some sense of this nonsense. Then most come to the same conclusion: this is terrible in so many ways. RE: Kai Leng. Years ago when I played pen & paper Shadowrun we had a shitty GM who threw one of most infuriating Mary Sue NPCs at us. Kai Leng is that man. Fuck you Kai Leng. EDIT: Right after I post, EA announces the "Extended Cut" available as free DLC this summer: http://news.ea.com/portal/site/ea/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1012492&newsId=20120405005304&newsLang=enANOTHER EDIT: I got the link, and it seemed legit. But it is not linked to on their main page. So I'm not sure if this is 100% official. |
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« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 06:59:03 AM by Special J »
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Everyone is reporting it as legit, so it must be! *snark*
But yeah, it looks legit to me. The whole "Striking a balance" thing has me thinking this is not going to make people happy. They really should've just redone it. Don't explain the dumb stuff that made no sense, get rid of it.
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calapine
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Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic!
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« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 09:18:57 AM by Ratman_tf »
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BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise.  |
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Special J
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It's about what I expected they would do. I doubt it will satisfy anyone.
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Kinda hoping it's so dumb that it makes everyone even angrier.
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"The world is populated in the main by people who should not exist." - George Bernard Shaw
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Simond
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Jeff Kelly
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How comes that every time Bioware makes a decision about how to handle the PR side of this they manage to choose the dumbest move available to them?
This won't satisfy anybody, it will just manage to piss people off even more.
Which is funny in a "watching a trainwreck" kinda way
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Ingmar
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More closure on the companion NPCs and more explanation of what actually happens to the rest of the universe would probably be enough to move it from "what the fuck" to "meh" for me. And they're not charging for it. I don't really see this as the "dumbest move available".
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Ratman_tf
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I probably won't even have the effort to DLC something like this. I'll just watch the youtube videos that come out to mock it.  |
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Sjofn
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Oooh, EA beat out Bank of America. They must be so proud! As for the DLC, meh. I'm not particularly surprised they don't want to make new endings, as that is too far down the "admitting it sucked" path, but I doubt clarifying it will make it suck less. But who knows, maybe they will have an excellent explanation for how and why Kaidan teleported aboard the Normandy. |
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Best part of that comes at the end: Oh well, Worst Company In America 2012 is officially in the books. All that's left to do is send off the Golden Poo to EA.
Traditionally, the Poo has been delivered on its little red pillow. But this year, we'll give EA three different color options for its pillow, though in the end it's still the same old Poo. |
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Pezzle
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If you have to 'explain' your final draft you screwed up. People already have the concept of the ending in their heads, explaining it will, at best, have people shrugging. Making a new ending _might_ get some nods, if done well. The real options here are redo the terrible ending or do nothing and wait for people to go away.
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Lantyssa
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More closure on the companion NPCs and more explanation of what actually happens to the rest of the universe would probably be enough to move it from "what the fuck" to "meh" for me. And they're not charging for it. I don't really see this as the "dumbest move available".
I'll be satisfied with it. I've only seen one ending (hahaha), and while I was all "uuuhhh, what?", I wasn't actually as angry as most. Being able to see what happens to people will be all I need. |
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Tannhauser
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So their artistic vision is so strong they are going to bequeath unto us more cutscenes that totally explain their awesomesauce endings. You know, for kids.
Just like Kubrick expounded on his re-release of 2001, when the monoliths were revealed to actually be exiled Romo-Greek gods (one was in orbit around Jupiter right? Jupiter? *taps mic*)
Or when David Lynch showed extra footage that showed Cooper was just kidding when he pretended to be possessed by Bob.
Oh wait they didn't do that because Kubrick and Lynch were/are REAL artists, not hacks like at Bioware.
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Simond
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Being able to see what happens to people will be all I need. "Rocks fall, everybody dies" is the current ending. Watching Bioware somehow weasel their way out of that is going to be interesting. |
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« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 06:43:24 PM by Nightblade »
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Margalis
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This gift just keeps on giving.
How can you blah blah forever about artistic integrity while creating an ending that had none to begin with, then amending it when fans demand? And that's not even getting into stuff like Chobot - nothing screams artistic integrity like including a minor internet celebrity in your game because Steve the UV unwrapping guy has a crush on her.
If they really want to salvage their integrity they should either say "fuck you, the ending is fine" or "you're right, we fucked up, wrapping up a series about choice with one of three ending movies that are nonsense and all basically the same was dumb as hell." If they just said that everyone would tip their hats.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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If they really want to salvage their integrity they should either say "fuck you, the ending is fine" or "you're right, we fucked up, wrapping up a series about choice with one of three ending movies that are nonsense and all basically the same was dumb as hell." If they just said that everyone would tip their hats.
The fuck they would. The only ones who are still raging at the ending are the ones who are either completely inconsolable regardless of what action Bioware takes, and the people who never had any stake in this to begin with. Everyone else has moved on with their lives by now. I've got too much other stuff to be playing to continue to dwell on ME3's ending for months. |
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