This Was my Last MMO

[Ingmar]

I can't remember any reference to them in KOTOR, and I must have played that game at least 5 times through.

[Thrawn]

I can't remember any reference to them in KOTOR, and I must have played that game at least 5 times through.

I couldn't either, but Google proved me wrong.  But just one very small reference.

Canderous Ordo mentions a rock that spat out blobs of energy that ate through shield and hull plating, just before speeding away. He stresses the point that it looked like an asteriod.

[Ingmar]

Ah, if the reference wasn't by name I wouldn't have recognized it, since I never read the actual stuff.

[Cyrrex]

Well, there are also Chiss all over the place in this timeline, as well as Sith pureblood who seem to keep getting lost and found again through various parts of the Star Wars history.  Planets that have been lost, then found, then lost again.  Starships and armor that appear to be better than they are throusands of years later (though there are some canonical explanations for some of these).  Hell, nobody can even agree on what the Force is.

You have to be able to exercise a good deal of cognitive dissonance in order for this all to make sense.  Luckily for me, I am practically the Dark Lord of Cognitive Dissonance.

[DraconianOne]

Ib4 parsecs are a measure of distance.

 

[UnSub]

SWOR is basically the greatest hits mashup of all Star Wars material. As time goes on, I'm expecting to hear that a lot more EU material has entered the game.

[Cyrrex]

Well, in more than one sense, this is basically already pure EU material.  But I think you know what you mean.  Even so, there is a bunch of non SWTOR specific stuff that comes from other EU sources.  I highly suspect, for example, that House Thul on Alderaan is a backstory on Raynar Thul, who is an EU character introduced post ROTJ.  I am not positive of this, but I would bet 10 bucks on it.  I think there are tons of things just like that in this game.

[Fabricated]

Huh, Blasters are really lasers? I always figured they were plasma weapons, which explained them not firing solid beams/hitting instantly. That's usually a good enough hand-wavey thing to make gun battles more interesting looking.

Too bad WUA went crazy. He'd have straightened us all out with a tome of a post by now.

[Mattemeo]

 

[Merusk]

Blasters ARE plasma and Wookiepedia has it wrong.  They're not even internally consistent as the Blaster page lists them as light & particle weapons, but the individual weapon pages list blasters as using plasma charge packs. 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DC-15A_blaster_rifle
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/E-11_blaster_rifle
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SC_blaster_rifle

Every tech manual and cross-section book I've seen has always indicated a gas-charge system for at least ship weapons.  (Because firing damage-potential lasers into the vacuum of space with so many inhabited planets over thousands of years is seen as a generally a BAD IDEA.) 

Those I'd trust more because as Crazy as LucasArts cannon has gotten over the years, they at least have someone attempting to vette it into a cohesive jumble.   Wookiepedia does not and I suspect the blaster section of being edited by science nerds rather than fiction nerds.

[Cyrrex]

We all know they have had to retcon the shit out of all this, but yes, all of these supposed blasters/lasers are gas powered weapons.  Like from the Tibanna gas that comes from Bespin that good old Lando was mining in the clouds there.  Lando or Han actually mentions the gas, but I believe its function was actually retconned in later.  So yeah, super heated plasma.

I don't know why they still call ship weapons "turbolasers" (sometimes, although there are deliberate distinctions made for blaster cannons).  At the end of the day, it is an imaginary universe, and it is silly to try to make perfect sense of it all.

[DraconianOne]

I don't know why they still call ship weapons "turbolasers" (sometimes, although there are deliberate distinctions made for blaster cannons).  At the end of the day, it is an imaginary universe, and it is silly to try to make perfect sense of it all.

Because it sounds cool. Like "hydrospanners". What, they're powered by water? They're used for fixing water? They're made of water? What does it mean?  Who gives a fuck - it sounds cool.

[Sky]

Because it sounds cool. Like "hydrospanners". What, they're powered by water? They're used for fixing water? They're made of water? What does it mean?  Who gives a fuck - it sounds cool.

[ghost]

I was just being sarcastic...

I enjoy the fact that I know nothing about Star Wars, Star Trek, Star Raiders, Star 80, or any other Star ___ you want to explain tech to me from. 

For fuck's sake, man!  What kind of nerd are you?   

[Azazel]

People still use Text chat? I mean, other than linking and asking the occasional questions.

Yes.  I prefer text chat.  It takes an act of the heavens to get me on a headset.

Same here. When soloing in an MMO I like to listen to music, chat with my wife on the PC next to me (who might be playing or just doing stuff on her computer). I stop, play with the cat, alt-tab (I'm playing WoW right now, for example), watch TV etc etc. I have no urge to sit with a headset on listening to other people crap away about things unless I'm specifically in the mood for it (ie almost never).

Also, I find headsets uncomfortable as a rule.

[Cyrrex]

I have a pretty awesome headset, but fuck using voice chat.  When people are really into it, text chat is way funnier.

[eldaec]

Game needs chat bubbles though.

[Cyrrex]

Game needs chat bubbles though.

That's for damn sure.  Especially considering the instanced nature of this game, I don't see the spam danger.

[Sjofn]

I remember when I first started playing CoH, and it had chat bubbles. Before that I had only played DAoC. I didn't know I needed chat bubbles until I had them, now I miss them like crazy when they aren't there (WoW didn't have them at first, and frankly the ones they wound up adding were never as good as CoX's).

[Mattemeo]

That's because CoX is still the undisputed Crown King of MMO Chat funcionality.

That you were able to customise what your chat bubbles looked like was icing on top; I always themed my bubbles to my char's colour schemes.

[Fordel]

Yea CoX was always ahead of it's time with it's chat powers. You could chat across servers and shit years before WoW even dreamed of their RealID/BattleTags system.

[Lantyssa]

That you were able to customise what your chat bubbles looked like was icing on top; I always themed my bubbles to my char's colour schemes.

Even Free Realms has customisable chat bubbles...

[Shatter]

F chat bubbles, 80% of the time I send tells to people they never see it so how bout anytime you get a tell a boxing glove comes out and slams you in the head. 

[Merusk]

Yea CoX was always ahead of it's time with it's chat powers. You could chat across servers and shit years before WoW even dreamed of their RealID/BattleTags system.

I'd go so far as to say they're STILL years ahead with their entire back-end.  Chat, grouping, player customization, player experience and player differential are all just fantastically dealt with.   I'm still a fan of a lot of their systems from those standpoints.

It's the actual game and its mechanics that are a bit lackluster.

[Zetor]

Not to mention an insane amount of content (more than any other game even without Mission Architect, imo), and the best player-driven content system on the MMO market.

[Fordel]

CoH didn't have content, it had the same fucking warehouse filled with the same fucking goomba's over and over and over.

[Merusk]

CoH didn't have content, it had the same fucking warehouse filled with the same fucking goomba's over and over and over.

Hey now.

There were sewer and insane skyscraper maps, too.

[Nevermore]

CoH didn't have content, it had the same fucking warehouse filled with the same fucking goomba's over and over and over.

It had tons of content, it's just that all the content was too similar to each other.  I'd still be playing the game if it had more to do than zone into building, kill everything, rinse and repeat.  Still, it's the only game I ever quit that I still have very positive feelings for (I guess GW could count too, but you don't really 'quit' GW) and it still has the most memorable characters I ever played.

[Mattemeo]

For a game I only started playing as a stop-gap between DAoC's early death throes and WoW's baby-steps; CoX remains the MMO I've played longest and invested most in, both in terms of time and emotion.
It's probably the only MMO I wouldn't hesitate to resub to at any given moment. I quit because I felt the need to play other things but it never failed me.

Also, Super Jump > everything else in any MMO, ever.

[Fordel]

CoX failed me once I finished making my character. Fuck I couldn't move and attack (I'm not sure I can still). I never got past 16 or 18, I don't remember exactly now.


I loooved making new people, but detested actually playing them.

[Sjofn]

Also, Super Jump > everything else in any MMO, ever.

This really cannot be said enough.

[UnSub]

Also, Super Jump > everything else in any MMO, ever.

This really cannot be said enough.

CoH/V ruined me when it comes to character travel. I couldn't stand a cooldown on a near useless sprint in WAR and I remember watching my RIFT character run up and down hills and thinking my CoH/V character would have just jumped over it.

It's sad that travel powers has either been ghettoised as 'superhero MMO only' or are have ridiculous limitations put on them in other games (i.e. Shadowbane's flight, from memory, Aion).

[Sky]

I used to take the slight hit to effectiveness with my energy/energy blaster and fight while flying. Because it's so completely awesome.

Thinking back, there may have been a hover that I used to switch to or something.

[Fordel]

There was indeed a Hover for combat. Super Duper slower then flying, but no penalties otherwise.


It's not remotely surprising that PvP games have to limit travel powers, CoH is a clinic on how to not have PvP.

[Mattemeo]

There was indeed a Hover for combat. Super Duper slower then flying, but no penalties otherwise.


It's not remotely surprising that PvP games have to limit travel powers, CoH is a clinic on how to not have PvP.

CoH was the last MMO I ever had any fun with PvP in. It was actually about skill, not grind and gear numbers. Aerial dogfights? Check. Superspeed jousting? Check. Teleport ambushing? Check. Taking control of giant deathmecha? Check. Fghting the actual big name Heroes/Villains when your side was getting a little too big for its boots? Check. Balance was all over the place, but the fun was undeniable.