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Sjofn
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Depends. Tigers will almost certainly win games 1 and 2 due to pitching, time off, and the Giants general ability to completely fuck up the first two games.
<head tilt> Didn't the Giants win game two of this series? <checks> Yes, yes they did. Also, this gif makes me laugh:  (I like when it's a happy Zito fuck-me, rather than a shit-I-just-gave-up-a-two-run-homer Zito fuck me.) |
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Sure they won game 2. They are still 1-3 in those games across 2 series now. When they've taken losses, they've been early.
Do the Giants win game 2 of the Cards series is the Cards don't go on a fucking error parade in the 4th inning? Maybe. The Cardinals were stranding everyone and their dog that game.
I think you can win. I don't think you SHOULD win because I'm not sure it's good for baseball. The Tigers are probably a better story, and less tainted by scandal.
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Huh. Guillen fired in his first year in Miami. I'm sure they had to know what they were getting. This seems odd.
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Paelos
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They have no idea what they want. They are trying to pander to a crowd that doesn't want to buy into their product.
Only in baseball will people make the logical fail from "well we can't fill this crappy stadium" to "that must mean if we build a NEW stadium they will show up!"
No. You build a new stadium when you are getting 75%, the stadium is 30 years old, it's oddly placed, and the fans have specifically cited it as a reason they don't come to games.
Minnesota is an example of how to do it right.
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Sure they won game 2. They are still 1-3 in those games across 2 series now. When they've taken losses, they've been early.
Do the Giants win game 2 of the Cards series is the Cards don't go on a fucking error parade in the 4th inning? Maybe. The Cardinals were stranding everyone and their dog that game.
I think you can win. I don't think you SHOULD win because I'm not sure it's good for baseball. The Tigers are probably a better story, and less tainted by scandal.
I just found it weird for you to be all THEY CAN FUCK UP THOSE FIRST TWO GAMES NO PROBLEM when they only fucked up one game two.  I mean, if you're going to make a pointless sweeping generalization, say "The Tigers don't lose their first two games in a series," and leave it at that. |
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Only you could be this nitpicky about me PICKING YOUR TEAM TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES. |
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And only you can sound that petulant and disappointed while picking a team to win the World Series. It was a weird fuckin' thing to say. That is my only observation. I don't actually care who you pick to win, because you are wrong 90% of the time.  |
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Get a virtual room.  Where is Ingmar to break this shit up? |
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Paelos
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And only you can sound that petulant and disappointed while picking a team to win the World Series. It was a weird fuckin' thing to say. That is my only observation. I don't actually care who you pick to win, because you are wrong 90% of the time. I am disappointed that I think you will win. I believe I would feel a lot different if it weren't for the fact you employed a guy who had to be thrown off the team for juicing and provided about 15-20% of your run production. Also, we've seen you recently win one, so that sort of leaves me with a "let somebody else have a turn" thought when I don't have a dog in the fight. All that being said, you have the edge in playoff experience, you have already been tested and came out winners, your pitching is better, you've scored more runs in the postseason, and you don't have the feast or famine issues with homers the Yankees had against Detroit. The series sets up for you to win it. Don't confuse me thinking what will happen and what I want to happen are the same thing though. I want the Georgia Bulldogs to win against Florida. I don't really think there's any way it can happen. |
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Our relief pitching is better, but I think I give Detroit the edge on starters, especially given the 2nd half of the season (for both teams). Our defense is much better, their offense is better.
I think it mostly boils down to how quickly we can get their starters out of there. If they're all going 7+ we're screwed. If we can get some early showers for those guys we win.
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I think their offense has been better over the long haul of the season. Yours is better right now. We can differ from perspective if that matters or not.
Their pitching has been better in the short term, yours was better over the long haul. Sort of the reverse, but I think a lot of that was because the Yankees were terrible trying to hit.
I agree if the Detroit starters go deep, it's ugly for you. Then again, I think that's pretty standard for any team in the playoffs.
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Having watched a whole season of these weirdo Tigers, I think the key to this series is Fister/Sanchez. If these two can dominate, I think they win the series. JV/Scherzer are just plain nasty. I'm interested to see us play in an NL park, though. Delmon Young out in left is fuckin' scary. Come on Verlander, time for 27 K's :)
In the twilight zone that has been the playoffs for Detroit, they have played better D than both their opponents. They keep it close, they got a shot.
Also, my favorite thing about their offense all year is two-out scoring. It hasn't been talked about much, but I'm pretty sure they do most their damage right when you think you got em dead to rights.
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Certainly that can be a factor. Detroit was third in the majors in 2-out RISP OPS. They are tough to punch out as they have the second lowest K totals in those situations.
The Giants make up their lack of average by putting a lot of guys on base with walks. That doesn't really favor them in the first game with Gerry Davis calling balls and strikes. Verlander has only issued 5 walks to 25 strikeouts in the post-season, and Davis is in the top half of the umpiring ranks in terms of strikeouts per game. He also is the lower half of walks per game. You can expect a larger strike zone for both pitchers to work in, since Davis shows no real bias to the home or away team. Zito in the post-season has had 5 walks and 10 Ks, so I think having Davis behind the plate favors Zito more than Verlander, since Zito was more likely to operate outside the zone so far.
The Giants have no real book on Verlander except Scutero and Huff, so that's a small advantage JV. Meanwhile, Zito has dominated Fielder, Peralta, and Infante, had moderate success against Cabrera, and been roughed up in very limited ABs by Delmon Young. The problem for the Tigers in the matchup is that you'll have to rely on your outfield to produce, because the infield doesn't really do much against Zito. Neither Verlander or Zito have lost in the post-season. Zito hasn't lost a game since AUGUST. Verlander hasn't lost since September 8th. It's really a matchup of two guys who are completely on their game.
That probably means the final will be 7-6 and they both get run in the 4th. Baseball has a sick sense of humor that way. However, if it stays close, and they go the distance, I give the edge to Verlander and the Tigers due to the rested factor.
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Sjofn
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Zito gets an RBI off Verlander. This is a team of destiny.
All the damage is coming with 2 outs. It's like the Giants have stolen the Tigers strength and turned it against them.
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Don't, don't you do it Sjofn.
Edit: Dammit.
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« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 07:00:21 PM by MuffinMan »
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Sjofn
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Look, I had clearly started a pattern, it needed to be respected.
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You heard it from me first- 4 game sweep by the Tigers.  |
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Sjofn
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The Giants announcers are trying to decide which they would've felt was less likely to happen in this game, Panda's home runs or Zito's RBI.
EDIT: Man, it's only the sixth inning?
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You heard it from me first- 4 game sweep by the Tigers. Clearly they also generally fuck up the first two games and the Detroit early starters are way better. Somewhere Sjofn is adding that one to my 90% box. I still stand by my ridiculous Giants in 7 prediction. Which probably means Giants in 4. Or Ewoks in 6. EDIT: PS - This game is taking fucking FOREVER |
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« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 07:14:00 PM by Paelos »
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See, even when you're right, you wind up being wrong! Also I think I would be slightly miffed if I were Zito. I get why they pulled him (why tempt fate?) but still. |
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The Transcendent One: AH... THE ROGUE CONSTRUCT.
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AL teams need to stop trying to squeeze their DH into their outfield when they play an NL team. |
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What's with the lame-o single, Panda?!
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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That was my reaction as well.
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I love that gif so hard. |
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First:  Then:  Edit: Also Sjofn, I think the thing I like the most about that gif is its amazing usability on forums in general, and not just this thread.  |
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« Last Edit: October 25, 2012, 09:04:44 PM by Teleku »
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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That was scary, glad he's OK.
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Yeah, Teleku, it's one of those gifs that will be useful for ALL SORTS of things. <3 <3
Also: woo!
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