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[Evildrider]

I'm not sure any of us besides Fordel and proudft are ever PVPing, but I could be wrong. I keep meaning to try it but getting distracted by alts and crafting.

I probably won't PvP anything serious for another month or two yet, let all the Illum nonsense settle and get some more 50's going for it.


Maybe some low level Warzones for the level 40 gear again. I really like matching armor.

The reason ppl are raging over the valor thing is because of gear really.  The longer you are out of pvp the more ppl are geared.  I'm in full champ and have like 12% bonus to dps, heals, and defense.  I destroy newer 50's.

[amiable]

Speaking as a left handed person, people who use their mouse with their left hand are crazy.

Really?  I thought most lefties use the mouse in their left hand?  Considering she has been doing this for over 2 decades I doubt she is willing to change now...

[Sjofn]

The lefties I know mostly use the mouse with their right, but a couple of them do like to be special and use it with their left.

[Arinon]

Left-handed here and have always used the mouse with my right hand.  I can't imagine having to swap it around.

[eldaec]

I'm not sure any of us besides Fordel and proudft are ever PVPing, but I could be wrong. I keep meaning to try it but getting distracted by alts and crafting.

I probably won't PvP anything serious for another month or two yet, let all the Illum nonsense settle and get some more 50's going for it.


Maybe some low level Warzones for the level 40 gear again. I really like matching armor.

The reason ppl are raging over the valor thing is because of gear really.  The longer you are out of pvp the more ppl are geared.  I'm in full champ and have like 12% bonus to dps, heals, and defense.  I destroy newer 50's.

Regardless of the current valour situation, this sounds as awful as DAoC ToA.

Presumably the top gear sets are even worse?

[eldaec]

The lefties I know mostly use the mouse with their right, but a couple of them do like to be special and use it with their left.

Surely you could just bind keys over on the rhs of the keyboard and go nuts with a left handed mouse?

Sounds like these so called lefties are in fact attention seeking righties.

[jakonovski]

Speaking as a left handed person, people who use their mouse with their left hand are crazy.

Yo momma!

I use my mouse on the left hand, and until mmos it worked beautifully because the arrow keys are on the right. SWTOR is a bit horrible for lefties though because the Guardian has a stupid amount of skills.

[Nebu]

PvP tip from Nebu the moron.

Don't bind your bottom center hotbar to Alt + #.  I swear I've alt+tabbed myself to the loading screen a dozen times in the last few days. 

I need one of those fancy 80 button mice!!!

[ajax34i]

Elite games can click mouse buttons not just with their fingers, but also with their palm muscles. *flex* *flex* 

[Nebu]

Elite games can click mouse buttons not just with their fingers, but also with their palm muscles. *flex* *flex* 

I suppose that way you can update your Facebook page with your left hand while pwning noobs with your right hand.  AMIRITE?

[ajax34i]

Dude, it's check Facebook for noob tears, real gamers don't "facebook". 

[amiable]

Wow you guys are harsh on lefties. 

I would absolutely love to get my wife a left handed razer naga, if they made those.  I think she would love it as she has small fingers that could easily access all the keys.

[Falconeer]

Undeniably, a 5 buttons mouse comes in handy in this game. Also, autohotkey.

[Nebu]

Undeniably, a 5 buttons mouse comes in handy in this game. Also, autohotkey.

I have a 5 button mouse, but it seems inadequate.  Were I playing melee, particularly something with positionals, I'd prefer at least a 10 button for strafing and spamming positionals. 

[Sky]

I'm not using the two extra on my mouse yet. Wait, not, I do have one bound to throw the ball for huttball.

I bought a razer Tron mouse which is pretty nifty, and it technically 7 button; but the angular edges suck. Technically beautiful mouse, though, love the buttons themselves, the high dpi laser, the scroll wheel. But the layout and actual design is balls, the side buttons are huge and right in the center where I grip the mouse. So angular design + cramped hand = bleh.

Need to sell it on, I guess.

[Falconeer]

I have a three buttons mouse and I play a melee dps vanguard. I have to say, it's crazy. There are like 890485 buttons in this game and they are all important. To play with my left hand I have to do stuff that reminds me of my piano years, cause basically I use q, w, e, r, t, y, u, a, s, d, f, g, z, c, 2, 3, 4... and the ALT (with the alt key pressed) version of most of them. It's probably 20 keys if not more. I mapped the AOE stun on my mouse, but I miss the interrupt there and the personal shield. 2 more keys would definitely help, as I could put the potions macro on it or the harpoon/cryogranade. So yeah, while I'm managing with a plain old 3 buttons mouse, a 5 to 9 buttons one seems very necessary to PvP decently. At least with certain classes.

Also, how do you set up your movement for easier strafing+hitting on your left hand? I'm always curious about these things. Over the years I developed a personal system which I call the "pedal". I never met anyone who uses it, and that's why it is probably idiotic, but works for me. Basically, I strafe left and right with S and F, and use my middle finger to hurt people, so main attacks are on E and R. I never move backward, and I move forward either with the two mouse buttons pressed together, or with the Z key, which I reach with my pinky finger. The Z thing is so counter-intuitive that I often wondered if I could get some efficiency boost by mapping it on a pedal set, to just go forward by using my foot, as in a kart of sorts. So how do you people optimize your keys and hand setup for pvp?

[Fordel]

One through Six and Shift+One through Shift+Six.

If I need it, Z, C, F and G also get used. I'm not currently using these though.


Everything else is default.

[tmp]

One through Six and Shift+One through Shift+Six.

Also Ctrl+these.

Ctrl+w for snare, Shift+w for the sprint burst (or the leap for knights, i guess)

E for target's target.

[Fordel]

Yea, I have used a Ctrl+Four and Ctrl+Five before. That's true.

Generally though, if I am breaking into Ctrl+Numbers, my class/spec has to many buttons and some of them are probably useless or not useful enough to warrant their own key. They can go on the click bar beside my class buff and stimpack. 

[tmp]

I use the Ctrl combinations for some highly reactional abilities, usually (cc break, interrupt, hit on paralyzed target, that sort of thing)  Just finding it easier to memorize this way, and they are the sort that has to be used faster than mouse clicks would allow.

[Zetor]

I use 1-8 (7/8 are more situational / out-of-combat skillz), shift/ctrl/alt+1-5 (ctrl for less-used skillz), qezxv, shift+qex, alt+qez, tilde and the 6 G15 buttons. The two mouse sidebuttons are mapped to selfcast / focus cast on my healers (middle button is bound to set focus), and more skillz on my other characters. I try to keep conceptually similar abilities on the same keybindings across all characters/games, which helps  

Binding the backward move ('s') to another ability can work too if you *only* do pvp (backpedaling in pvp = baaad), but I do enough pve tanking where it's useful to backpedal occasionally for mob positioning / making sure the mob is hitting my face and not my sides/back.

edit: ctrl-q/w/e/r for stances or auras, if there are any

[Fordel]

See, I wouldn't KeyBind Aura's. I've never felt such a demand to switch from say Ret Aura to Conc or whatever.

[proudft]

The only things I will click on are stimpacks or mission item thingers, everything else gets a keybind.  

1-6, Q, E, Z, X, C, V, B and shift- and alt- all those (and control- being pet abilities).  I haven't run out of keys yet on a level 30ish guardian or commando, actually, which is better than a WoW warlock so far.

I also follow the trend of keeping similar abilities on the same key - E is an area thing that needs to be targeted, shift-E is another one, so on a WoW mage, E was blizzard and shift-E was flamestrike, on a hunter it was volley and flare, on the commando it is that AoE hose of bullets and mortar.   

This is the thing that is getting to be sort of unwieldy because although most SWTOR abilities can be found somewhere in WoW, sometimes there are way more of them on one class in SWTOR.  There are like 4 different 'things I used to put on my defensive B key' for the guardian, so some of them end up on 'weird' keys for me.

Also my guardian keeps moving melee keys around as I get space-whirlwind, oh lemme put that on my old cleave key, and then space-cleave shows up.

[Ingmar]

I click lots of stuff. 

[Fordel]

The only things I will click on are stimpacks or mission item thingers, everything else gets a keybind.  

1-6, Q, E, Z, X, C, V, B and shift- and alt- all those (and control- being pet abilities).  I haven't run out of keys yet on a level 30ish guardian or commando, actually, which is better than a WoW warlock so far.

I also follow the trend of keeping similar abilities on the same key - E is an area thing that needs to be targeted, shift-E is another one, so on a WoW mage, E was blizzard and shift-E was flamestrike, on a hunter it was volley and flare, on the commando it is that AoE hose of bullets and mortar.   

This is the thing that is getting to be sort of unwieldy because although most SWTOR abilities can be found somewhere in WoW, sometimes there are way more of them on one class in SWTOR.  There are like 4 different 'things I used to put on my defensive B key' for the guardian, so some of them end up on 'weird' keys for me.

Also my guardian keeps moving melee keys around as I get space-whirlwind, oh lemme put that on my old cleave key, and then space-cleave shows up.

Which one of those is Iceblock.

[Zetor]

I click lots of stuff.  

At least you don't keyboard turn, right?!

Srsly though, clicking is fine for pve, and since swtor has autofacing, click/keyturn is not AS terrible in pvp as in other games. Still not a good idea, mind... but you probably know that.

[proudft]

Which one of those is Iceblock.

Oh, that one I click.

(alt-1 if you really must know)

[Fordel]

I click lots of stuff.  

At least you don't keyboard turn, right?!

Srsly though, clicking is fine for pve, and since swtor has autofacing, click/keyturn is not AS terrible in pvp as in other games. Still not a good idea, mind... but you probably know that.

Only when he gets flustered 


Total KeyBinding in of itself doesn't make you better or worse. Like, Proudft binds *everything* and Ingmar binds very little, but they both smell the same in my experience. It's not a improvement when half the time you don't remember what your Q key does or you constantly press E when you you really meant R.

[Ingmar]

I click lots of stuff.  

At least you don't keyboard turn, right?!

Srsly though, clicking is fine for pve, and since swtor has autofacing, click/keyturn is not AS terrible in pvp as in other games. Still not a good idea, mind... but you probably know that.

I'm not a keyboard turner, no. The only special bind(s) I ever have are for interrupts. Interrupt on F, possibly something on G if I'm feeling saucy, and 1-6, otherwise I basically am a clicker.

It hasn't even been that bad in PVP, honestly, Fordel can attest that I'm not as bad as proudft.

[Sjofn]

I keyboard turn AND click a lot of shit. Somehow my paladin was still fine in PvP in WoW.  

Actually I do mouse turn SOMEtimes. Just not all the time.

[Zetor]

Yeah, closely clustered keybinds of vastly different abilities run the risk of fatfingering something in a tense pvp situation (I try to bind heroism and stuff to harder-to-reach keys for that reason). Of course the best thing is when you hit \ and two ticket creation windows pop up to helpfully cover your screen and disable further input until you close them.  

[Ingmar]

Ugh, that \ thing I am hitting constantly when I want to open chat.

[Zetor]

It's extra fun on my Hungarian keyboard as we get an extra \ in the bottom left corner (between shift and z... the shift key is a bit smaller). Good Times sometimes ensue when I hit z... that happens to be my ohshit / medpack button. 

[tmp]

Actually I do mouse turn SOMEtimes. Just not all the time.

I wonder how the keyboard turners do the Colicoid War turret part...

[Sjofn]

It's not like I'm stupid, if something obviously works better using the mouse, I use the mouse. I just don't NEED to use the mouse 90% of the time, so I don't.