Patch Notes

[Secundo]

NVIDIA drivers are better. The hardware statement is an oversimplification. ATI's GPU generally are more power efficient than NVIDIA's GPUs and are slightly cheaper to make so they typically have a slightly better performance to price ratio compared to NVIDIA and they typically run cooler and use less power. In terms of absolute performance NVIDIA is competitive -- e.g. for the previous gen NVIDIA has the fastest single GPU card.

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The above pretty much sums it up.

A lower power consumption and thus lower noise, while still being more than competitive performance wise, is why I use an ATI card at the moment.
I have not had much problems with ATI drivers the last 2-3 years including Swtor.

[Ingmar]

I've always had more heat problems with ATI, personally, but I guess it probably comes down to particular models.

[Threash]

Noone NEEDS the pvp gear for < 50 pvp.  It's just an alternative way to obtain gear/mods.

No, i meant why was the price hike on those "needed". Because the idea that "you can buy them after just few matches ohnoes" produces in me "so fucking what" when that complaint is followed with "it's just cosmetic gear that doesn't do anything special".

Because that is not exactly accurate, the gear was very good for its level.  Handing players a full set of blue quality gear and weapons with minimal effort would kill the flashpoints at those levels.  Without the pvp stat they were just really good pve pieces.

[Fordel]

And increasing the cost just kills them more since I'll have to spend more time in Warzones now. 

[tmp]

Handing players a full set of blue quality gear and weapons with minimal effort would kill the flashpoints at those levels.

Were the flashpoints dead before this change? I definitely haven't noticed entire server population running in these so easy to get PvP gear sets, myself.

Let's not forget you can also get comparable sets of orange pieces pretty much by visiting "specialty vendors" on a few planets and paying each 15-20k credits.

[kildorn]

Noone NEEDS the pvp gear for < 50 pvp.  It's just an alternative way to obtain gear/mods.

No, i meant why was the price hike on those "needed". Because the idea that "you can buy them after just few matches ohnoes" produces in me "so fucking what" when that complaint is followed with "it's just cosmetic gear that doesn't do anything special".

Because that is not exactly accurate, the gear was very good for its level.  Handing players a full set of blue quality gear and weapons with minimal effort would kill the flashpoints at those levels.  Without the pvp stat they were just really good pve pieces.

? The gear was blue for it's level. Like pretty much anything else. It's not like it was hard to get a blue equivalent item or slot an orange to blue for your level. 3-4 PVP matches for a blue doesn't seem like it would kill flashpoints at all.

[Samprimary]

50+ levels in a few hours is ridiculous, I went from 27 to 30 in a couple hours.  What you are reading on the forums is all made up.

Haha, you was doin it wrong. Also, what do you take me for, a crazy person? I haven't looked at their forums since 1.1!

[luckton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-TChrg5foo

See what you have to look forward to in Star Wars™: The Old Republic™! This new video highlights just some of the new content and game systems coming out over the coming months, including a look at the expanded Legacy system, UI customization, and information on new Warzones and Flashpoints!

It's nice to see the UI changes.  A shame we won't see them till March.  

Guild banks look nice too.

(For Rattran: Maybe move this to a thread you find appropriate if you still don't like it?  I don't know where else to put this...)
DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN MOD. I AM NOT A REASONABLE PERSON.

[Morfiend]

That UI scaling cant come soon enough.

[Threash]

Noone NEEDS the pvp gear for < 50 pvp.  It's just an alternative way to obtain gear/mods.

No, i meant why was the price hike on those "needed". Because the idea that "you can buy them after just few matches ohnoes" produces in me "so fucking what" when that complaint is followed with "it's just cosmetic gear that doesn't do anything special".

Because that is not exactly accurate, the gear was very good for its level.  Handing players a full set of blue quality gear and weapons with minimal effort would kill the flashpoints at those levels.  Without the pvp stat they were just really good pve pieces.

? The gear was blue for it's level. Like pretty much anything else. It's not like it was hard to get a blue equivalent item or slot an orange to blue for your level. 3-4 PVP matches for a blue doesn't seem like it would kill flashpoints at all.

Actually no, i leveled up without flashpoints or heroic quests.  Blue gear was few and far between when i didn't buy it, the pvp gear was all major upgrades at the time i got them and very easily attained.

[Nevermore]

Rumormill / forums

Well, with sources that reliable I'm sure everything in your post is 100% true and not exaggerated in any way, shape or form.

[kildorn]

Noone NEEDS the pvp gear for < 50 pvp.  It's just an alternative way to obtain gear/mods.

No, i meant why was the price hike on those "needed". Because the idea that "you can buy them after just few matches ohnoes" produces in me "so fucking what" when that complaint is followed with "it's just cosmetic gear that doesn't do anything special".

Because that is not exactly accurate, the gear was very good for its level.  Handing players a full set of blue quality gear and weapons with minimal effort would kill the flashpoints at those levels.  Without the pvp stat they were just really good pve pieces.

? The gear was blue for it's level. Like pretty much anything else. It's not like it was hard to get a blue equivalent item or slot an orange to blue for your level. 3-4 PVP matches for a blue doesn't seem like it would kill flashpoints at all.

Actually no, i leveled up without flashpoints or heroic quests.  Blue gear was few and far between when i didn't buy it, the pvp gear was all major upgrades at the time i got them and very easily attained.

Strange. I rarely do flashpoints, and by 40 was already in nearly all orange gear (missing only the bits you can't get from pvp) and wearing nothing but blues. Hell, I was there before 25 (do heroics).

The PVP gear has never been an upgrade for me, it's just been an alternate armor look.

[Threash]

I did a lot of pvp and tended to out level whatever planet i was on by a fair bit, the commendation armorings i had on my orange gear were on average 5 or so levels below all the time.

[kildorn]

If you don't outlevel the planets, you can usually barely use the comm armoring by the time you leave.

Beta days, you could up trade the comms, too. :(

[tmp]

Actually no, i leveled up without flashpoints or heroic quests.  Blue gear was few and far between when i didn't buy it, the pvp gear was all major upgrades at the time i got them and very easily attained.

I did a lot of pvp and tended to out level whatever planet i was on by a fair bit, the commendation armorings i had on my orange gear were on average 5 or so levels below all the time.

You know, if you didn't focus on levelling through PvP and instead visited these PvE planets at the time you're at recommended level for them, the blue pieces bought for the commendations wouldn't be 5 levels below you all the time and would be major upgrades, too. Just a thought.

In other words, i really don't see from this example how there's anything wrong with their setup -- you get suitable rewards through the channel you focus on.

For what's worth, so far (40-odd) i've leveled up doing each flashpoint once and not bothering with most of heroic quests. My gear is routinely blue-orange and at appropriate level rather than 5 behind. And acquiring it is as simple as clicking on relevant vendor or GTN terminal.

[Falconeer]

Please someone who knows more than me about coding and AAA titles. HOW FUCKING HARD it can be to fix the bug that doesn't count won pvp0 matches towards the daily/weekly count? It's infuriating. Things are difficult enough without this stupid game stealing my wins.

This is really fucked up. Dailies are basically timed goals. If I have 2 hours to play in a given day and I invest it to try and win the daily, and somehow I manage and the fucking stupidly coded system takes it away from me, well, it's just a game, and I still feel kind of robbed.

Seriously, how can it be so hard? And how is this not major, considering how difficult it is to win for one side?

[Samprimary]

Rumormill / forums

Well, with sources that reliable I'm sure everything in your post is 100% true and not exaggerated in any way, shape or form.

Ahem! You saw why that was in my post, right?

Rumormill / forums have it that there exist max valor rank players now and I would believe it.

You're picking on the wrong part of my post if you want to denounce the veracity of my claims, because this is not a confirmed claim, just one I state that I consider plausible given what I watched, while I noted upfront that it is rumormill, not fact. I am being selectively parsed for doing this 

In other news, Zach, who is a person I know that I pretty much use as the living breathing definition of utter scumbag pvper, showed me all his fancy new pvp titles and explained how he got them in one day. Lucky bastard.

[Nevermore]

The fact that you find rumors from those forums plausible is exactly why I quoted that, though.

I mean, rumor has it the worst of the of the vitriol started on those forums are actually made by Blizzard employee agitators who are trying to do anything they can to sabotage the competition, which I find completely plausible given that I wear a tinfoil hat and it makes better drama than if it's not actually true. 

[MisterNoisy]

Please someone who knows more than me about coding and AAA titles. HOW FUCKING HARD it can be to fix the bug that doesn't count won pvp0 matches towards the daily/weekly count? It's infuriating. Things are difficult enough without this stupid game stealing my wins.

This is really fucked up. Dailies are basically timed goals. If I have 2 hours to play in a given day and I invest it to try and win the daily, and somehow I manage and the fucking stupidly coded system takes it away from me, well, it's just a game, and I still feel kind of robbed.

Seriously, how can it be so hard? And how is this not major, considering how difficult it is to win for one side?

I've had it happen to me - drop and reacquire the quest (and win a match) fixes it in my experience.  Unless you're already L50, you're rolling against other non-Expertise players, so winning one match in two hours shouldn't be too hard.

I roll with 3 other non-50s on Vent, so we have a pretty good W/L ratio, but even when I go solo it isn't that bad now that the capped players are in another queue.

[Azuredream]

The daily at 50 actually requires you to win 3 matches, just for reference.

[Falconeer]

Yes, I am level 50, and winning the required 3 matches every day (or 9 for the weekly) is no jokes if you are Republic on my server. Especially cause you can't drop the quest. Anyway, experimenting proved that dropping the quest doesn't fix the problem. It's not like you never get credit, it's just that it skips some. And when you are working towards your daily three, every single one fracking counts. Or it should. So it's frustrating as hell. Seriously, I really wonder how hard can it be to fix it.

[Threash]

The worst is when you finally win one after losing several in a row and it doesn't count.  That was almost my "why am i playing this instead of Rift" moment last night, luckily today i went three for three and they all counted or i would most likely be.

[tmp]

Maybe it's republic specific code which rejects wins that were found unfair

[Rendakor]

I know that was a joke, but it's happened to me on the Imperial side as well. I PVP because (SHOCK) I actually like doing so and not because the daily quest says I have to, so I just queue up again and have another go; this doesn't excuse the bug, but it doesn't inspire the vitriol in me that it does in others.

[FieryBalrog]

I know that was a joke, but it's happened to me on the Imperial side as well. I PVP because (SHOCK) I actually like doing so and not because the daily quest says I have to, so I just queue up again and have another go; this doesn't excuse the bug, but it doesn't inspire the vitriol in me that it does in others.

Bully for you.

[eldaec]

What do you get from a pvp daily at 50?

XP being unnecessary and all.

[Falconeer]

You get the Champion bag, which is needed for PvP equipment. Actually you can choose between a Champion bag or a Battlemaster bag, but to open the Battlemaster one you need to be PvP Rank 60. (So hitting R60 is quite a big deal, and that's why so many were freaking out yesterday.)

In the Champion bag you can find 3 Centurion Commendations (needed to buy Centurion grade pvp items (tier 1), which is the common chance, or a random piece of Champion grade pvp item (tier 2), which is the uncommon chance, roughly 1 out of 5. The stupid part here is that you can get the same uncommon item over and over, and you can't do shit with it: you can't trade it, you can't even redeem it for some more Centurion commendations. Basically, if you for example got the uber rare Champion weapon, and then you find another Champion weapon, you are gonna do nothing with it, and you didn't even get the Centurion commendations you could have gotten, since you either get 3 commendations or the Champion random piece and 1 commendation.

The Battlemaster bags have been changed with last patch so while much harder to get them, you don't risk to get double pieces as they have either Champion commendations (used to buy tier 2 items), or Battlemaster commendations, much rarer but used to buy any BM gear without the risk of doubles.

So yeah, basically pvp dailies and weeklies are the ONLY way to get Battlemaster bags (hence Battlemaster gear) and the best way to get Champion bags outside of the 800 Warzone commendations needed to buy one. This is because Champion bags can be purchased, Battlemaster bags are only quest rewards. The weekly gives you 3 Champion bags or 2 Battlemaster bags. The Daily gives you 1 Champion bag or 1 Battlemaster bag.

Bottom line: while it's slow but theoretically possible to get tier 1 and 2 pvp equipment without ever doing the dailies/weeklies, you can't get tier 3 without completing them.

[jakonovski]

Ha, back at level 20 I had the issue of flashpoint dailies not completing.

[eldaec]

Please someone who knows more than me about coding and AAA titles. HOW FUCKING HARD it can be to fix the bug that doesn't count won pvp0 matches towards the daily/weekly count? It's infuriating. Things are difficult enough without this stupid game stealing my wins.

This is really fucked up. Dailies are basically timed goals. If I have 2 hours to play in a given day and I invest it to try and win the daily, and somehow I manage and the fucking stupidly coded system takes it away from me, well, it's just a game, and I still feel kind of robbed.

Seriously, how can it be so hard? And how is this not major, considering how difficult it is to win for one side?

Does pvp quest progress get reset if you don't complete it in a day?

If so, that is both stupid, and weird, especially as AFAIK it doesn't happen to the other repeatables?

[disKret]

Does pvp quest progress get reset if you don't complete it in a day?

No.

[eldaec]

In which case, surely it isn't a timed goal?

Anyway this all makes me glad I'm an inquisitor, so it is inconceivable I would wear the terrible pvp gear in the first place.

[Falconeer]

It is timed as in I need to win 3 matches in a day in order to get the reasonable and expected amount of commendations. To get them, and have the infamous "chance" against better equipper players, I have to do my dailies. No one is biting my ass, but that's part of my fun at the moment and while it's hard enough to win 3 in 24 hours, certainly doesn't help that sometimes you have to win 5 or more just because of a stupid bug.

[Nebu]

It is timed as in I need to win 3 matches in a day in order to get the reasonable and expected amount of commendations. To get them, and have the infamous "chance" against better equipper players, I have to do my dailies. No one is biting my ass, but that's part of my fun at the moment and while it's hard enough to win 3 in 24 hours, certainly doesn't help that sometimes you have to win 5 or more just because of a stupid bug.

I feel your pain.  One saturday I played a total of 8 hours for 2 wins.  When I finally got the 3rd win, it didn't count and I logged in disgust.  

I both love and hate the arms race in MMOs.  I'm obviously broken.

On another note: PLAYERS ALREADY EXPLOITING THE NEW ILUM CHANGES

This stuff cracks me up.

[ajax34i]

They are removing the Valor points and/or possibly banning, as can be evidenced by this (funny) moderator post.

[Lantyssa]

PvPers crack me up in a DIKU.