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Modern Angel
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on: August 22, 2011, 07:30:58 AM

Uhhhhhhhh wwwwwhaaaaaattttt?  ACK!
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Reply #1 on: August 22, 2011, 09:22:50 AM

wut, pretty sure they said there would be a bunch.

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Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 09:23:47 AM

None at all?

No new raids?

No new skirmishes?

No new quests that happen to use instancing (like the escorts in Enedwaith)?

Sorry to be picky, there's just so many ways they use instances. In my mind, the power and flexibility of LotRO's instancing is one of its defining features.

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Modern Angel
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Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 09:36:53 AM

Probably means no new dungeons, except the 24 man dragon raid. Though there's been scant info on new skirmishes, so don't automatically assume they're in there.

This was confirmed by Sapience at Gamescom to some people and it's at least credible enough for the folks at Casual Stroll to Mordor to run with.
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Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 09:48:33 AM

With the information coming out of Gamescon, this expansion looks to be awfully thin. It has been pointed out that if you count the features that you would have access to without buying the expansion, you are basically paying for a quest pack containing 300+ quests and 1 24x raid. Of course, second hand statements from the convention also have Turbine saying that new skirmish and/or instances will be coming along 'soon'. I have little doubt that these will require purchase if you are not a VIP (subscriber).

There is a lot a angst on the forums, some of it just nerd rage and some of it justified I'd say.

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Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 09:59:21 AM

Yeah, for once I'm kind of on board with the angst. Not even a third of what they promised is going to actually be in and they didn't even publicly promise much. I feel like a real asshole for preordering this because this thing looks more content light than Mirkwood.

I love LOTRO but this is the first time I've been really pissed off with Turbine over how they run it. There's no excuse for charging thirty bucks for this amount of content. None.
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Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 12:28:39 PM

Confirmed by Sapience in an interview with a forum-goer at Gamescom.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?415027-A-friendly-chat-with-Sapience-(-Gamescom-2011)

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Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 03:47:02 PM

that's sad and surprising.  Guess it's just the new raid + level cap + mo' quests + virtues cap.   I still would like a LotRO "expansion" to include new races, new starting area, new classes...  Feels more like an EQ2 expansion.  Gonna pass till it's free.
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Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 03:59:50 PM

New races is a non-starter lore-wise.

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Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 04:01:15 PM

that's sad and surprising.  Guess it's just the new raid + level cap + mo' quests + virtues cap.   I still would like a LotRO "expansion" to include new races, new starting area, new classes...  Feels more like an EQ2 expansion.  Gonna pass till it's free.

To be fair, its also three full zones.

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Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 04:05:13 PM

Sure.  And if done as well as Enedwaith, it'll be worth the money.  Just be nice if there were new instances for groups 1-5. 
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Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 04:07:09 PM

To be fair, its also three full zones.

'Full' eh? you pretty certain on that?

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Reply #12 on: August 22, 2011, 04:09:01 PM

To be fair, its also three full zones.

'Full' eh? you pretty certain on that?

Most LOTRO zones are huge. Not sure what you are asking here.

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Reply #13 on: August 22, 2011, 04:09:46 PM

So tell me how big they are Bloodworth. Because I'm in the beta and I'll let you know how close you are once the NDA lifts.
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Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 04:12:55 PM

I have no idea, just going on the size of zones they previously released.

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Reply #15 on: August 22, 2011, 04:14:03 PM

Perhaps others know more then you do. Its just not always prudent to say so.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #16 on: August 22, 2011, 04:15:29 PM

I'm not sure whats going on here.

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Reply #17 on: August 22, 2011, 04:16:58 PM

Really surprised there won't be any dungeons with launch... :-\ Even Mirkwood had a good amount of dungeon content. Nothing, really?
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Reply #18 on: August 22, 2011, 04:17:19 PM

I'll tell you this much: with the confirmation of no new instances and the new PvM zone shunted off into the realm of possibly never happening, this is the most content light expansion by a major MMO ever made. The fact that I can't help but contrast it with Moria, which is the greatest MMO expansion ever made, in my mind, just makes it sting more.

I'm actually getting angrier the more I think about it...

edit: Bloodworth, I like you. And sometimes you have some really insightful, interesting things to say. Other times you talk about shit that you really have no clue about with a conviction that you really shouldn't have.
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Reply #19 on: August 22, 2011, 04:20:48 PM

I'm not sure whats going on here.

Jesus on a pogo stick you can be slow...

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Reply #20 on: August 22, 2011, 04:26:19 PM

Bloodworth, I like you. And sometimes you have some really insightful, interesting things to say. Other times you talk about shit that you really have no clue about with a conviction that you really shouldn't have.

Because I brought up that its three zones? Oh noes? Attack? LOTRO zones are rather larger in my experiences, so for 30$, it dose not seem so bad.

No, I'm not in the beta.

You two just seem like you want to lash out at someone.

I'm not sure whats going on here.

Jesus on a pogo stick you can be slow...

Fuck off my nuts.
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Reply #21 on: August 22, 2011, 04:34:39 PM

Fuck off my nuts.

No thanks. I'm good from the weekend.

I went back to double check and be sure its not explicit in the NDA so.. I am in beta and know how large those zones are.

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Reply #22 on: August 22, 2011, 04:53:24 PM

Because I brought up that its three zones? Oh noes? Attack? LOTRO zones are rather larger in my experiences, so for 30$, it dose not seem so bad.

No, because dudes actively playing and in the beta were discussing how small the expansion was seeming and you came in going HEY DUDES I JUST KNOW THEY'RE BIG! Which is fine, because that should be the default assumption given past content but having fucking dungeon instances is an assumption too and it's not panning out.

I'm not wanting to lash out at anyone (for once) but now you're irritating me. They're not big. There's no content. It's not worth 30 bucks.
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Reply #23 on: August 22, 2011, 05:28:32 PM

I have no idea who is in beta. All I said was its 3 full zones, as opposed to one in the last expansion, I also said I'm just going by previous zones sizes. Everything else, you seem to assumed yourself ( I never said anything like what you have typed there ), then got angry about. Then went all full attack mode. I was not sure why I was getting flack for a comment. But rage on! I'm sure this is important somewhere.

Personally, if I pick this up, ill just use points, ten bucks a zone doesn't seem that off of the going rate under the new F2P model.
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Reply #24 on: August 22, 2011, 07:16:31 PM

Enough.

And we respect NDAs around here, no breaking them to make Mr.B look slow.
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Reply #25 on: August 22, 2011, 07:31:42 PM

Size of zones is shockingly not NDAed now that the maps are all over from Gamescom, as it turns out.
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Reply #26 on: August 22, 2011, 07:42:21 PM

Well, then carry on.
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Reply #27 on: August 22, 2011, 07:48:12 PM

Size of zones is shockingly not NDAed now that the maps are all over from Gamescom, as it turns out.

Share?  Link?

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Reply #28 on: August 22, 2011, 08:07:35 PM

Here is a screenie of the map:

http://lockerz.com/s/130669026

It has been reported on the lotro forums that there are two submaps that can be pulled up from this one.

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Reply #29 on: August 22, 2011, 08:57:21 PM

I guess all that f2p money hasn't kicked in yet.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #30 on: August 22, 2011, 08:58:31 PM

Well..  all this is very disappointing. Especially since I'll never see the raid.

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Reply #31 on: August 22, 2011, 09:04:57 PM

Hmm  Ohhhhh, I see.

Well 8 stables can mean 8 quest hubs, but more realistically 5-6.  Yeah, 24 man raid woooo....  /derp
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Reply #32 on: August 23, 2011, 06:35:08 AM

Right. You can do the math. It's 300ish quests, or so the claim goes, which puts it at Moria quest size. But then you go smaller map (I don't care how many subzones; it's smaller), no dungeons, quite possibly no new skirmishes.... I really don't get this. I really don't.
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Reply #33 on: August 23, 2011, 07:25:10 AM

So here is my take.

The company that so many years ago prided itself on metronome like content updates and provided good products at a fair price is under new management with a new business model. You should view them as you might a television ad for male enhancements. Some of what they imply is true, like the part about it being a pill you can swallow.

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Reply #34 on: August 23, 2011, 08:17:20 AM

Well the thing is that the last year of content has been pretty fucking awesome and fairly priced to boot. It might be WB pulling the strings but I have more of a feeling that WB probably doesn't give too much of a fuck what Turbine does, unless that oft-rumored Harry Potter MMO is siphoning resources.
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