NFL 2011

[ghost]

Newton is not a great example.  He's not a typical quarterback or draftee in any regard, and it's also still way too early to pass judgment on him. 

[HaemishM]

Whatever team drafts Luck is hopefully going to be smart enough to sit him on the bench for a year or three. Not that they'll have the luxury, since whoever they bring in to start is going to get booed to shit with calls for Luck to start immediately. And yeah, they'd better draft some goddamn O lineman right after him, because that's one of the keys. Rodgers didn't win a Super Bowl until the line in front of him stop sucking donkey cock.

[Trippy]

Here's the list of QBs taken #1 overall since 1970:

1970 - Terry Bradshaw*! - Pittsburgh Steelers
1971 - Jim Plunkett - New England Patriots
1975 - Steve Bartkowski - Atlanta Falcons
1983 - John Elway*! - Baltimore Colts (traded to Denver Broncos)
1987 - Vinny Testaverde - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1989 - Troy Aikman*! - Dallas Cowboys
1990 - Jeff George - Indianapolis Colts
1993 - Drew Bledsoe# - New England Patriots
1998 - Peyton Manning! - Indianapolis Colts
1990 - Tim Couch - Cleveland Browns
2001 - Michael Vick - Atlanta Falcons
2002 - David Carr - Houston Texans
2003 - Carlson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals
2004 - Eli Manning! - San Diego Chargers (traded to New York Giants)
2005 - Alex Smith - San Francisco 49ers
2007 - JaMarcus Russell - Oakland Raiders
2009 - Matthew Stafford - Detroit Lions
2010 - Sam Bradford - St. Louis Rams
2011 - Cam Newton - Carolina Panthers

* Hall of Fame
! Won a Super Bowl with the team they started with
# Went to a Super Bowl with the team they started with

There's been remarkably few complete busts though also very few true superstar QBs.

[Ingmar]

I kind of secretly wish the 49ers would grab Russell just to see what Harbaugh could do with him.

[Trippy]

Whatever team drafts Luck is hopefully going to be smart enough to sit him on the bench for a year or three. Not that they'll have the luxury, since whoever they bring in to start is going to get booed to shit with calls for Luck to start immediately. And yeah, they'd better draft some goddamn O lineman right after him, because that's one of the keys. Rodgers didn't win a Super Bowl until the line in front of him stop sucking donkey cock.

If the Colts get him and Peyton can still play that would be an ideal situation for Luck. If the Dolphins get him...well good luck there

[Fordel]

The Dolphins are going to be auctioned off for glue at the end of the season.

[Paelos]

The Dolphins are going to be auctioned off for glue at the end of the season.

That's an insult to glue.

[Fordel]

Have the dolphins had a anything close to a competitive season since Marino retired?

[Trippy]

They won the AFC East in 2008 with Chad Pennington and their version of the wildcat offense

[Nevermore]

Won the East in 2000 and was a Wild Card in 2001 with the team Jimmy Johnson assembled, but the horrendous drafts by the Wannstache is what started the downward spiral after that.  The only other year they've been relevant since is 2008 when they won the East again with Pennington as QB.

Edit: as annoying as the wildcat became after the Dolphins started using it, that game against the Patriots when they first used it remains a thing of beauty.

[naum]

Here's the list of QBs taken #1 overall since 1970:

1970 - Terry Bradshaw*! - Pittsburgh Steelers
1971 - Jim Plunkett - New England Patriots
1975 - Steve Bartkowski - Atlanta Falcons
1983 - John Elway*! - Baltimore Colts (traded to Denver Broncos)
1987 - Vinny Testaverde - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1989 - Troy Aikman*! - Dallas Cowboys
1990 - Jeff George - Indianapolis Colts
1993 - Drew Bledsoe# - New England Patriots
1998 - Peyton Manning! - Indianapolis Colts
1990 - Tim Couch - Cleveland Browns
2001 - Michael Vick - Atlanta Falcons
2002 - David Carr - Houston Texans
2003 - Carlson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals
2004 - Eli Manning! - San Diego Chargers (traded to New York Giants)
2005 - Alex Smith - San Francisco 49ers
2007 - JaMarcus Russell - Oakland Raiders
2009 - Matthew Stafford - Detroit Lions
2010 - Sam Bradford - St. Louis Rams
2011 - Cam Newton - Carolina Panthers

* Hall of Fame
! Won a Super Bowl with the team they started with
# Went to a Super Bowl with the team they started with

There's been remarkably few complete busts though also very few true superstar QBs.

/wow, nice list.

Up until Tim Couch (1999, not 1990 as listed), all those were solid QBs -- even Jeff George (who still says his arm is the same as what he had at "25" and is ready to step in and play) and Testaverde played for over a decade. David Carr might be a bigger bust, but he's carved out a nice role (and good paychecks) as a backup QB for Giants.

But JaMarcus Russell has to be the biggest draft bust in history.

I wondered if he was, so I was looking at #1 overalls for all positions since 1970

DE Walt Patulski (1972), only played a few years
RB Ricky Bell (1977), had a few good seasons, but only 3K career YDS
LB Tom Cousineau (1979), like Patulski, a Bills draft pick, shunned Buffalo, went to Canada, returned for a few NFL seasons, but never was star of #1 overall merit
DE Kenneth Sims (1982), never lived up to expectations, though endured (only playing full season once) 8 seasons
LB Aundray Bruce (1988), only started ~40 games over course of 11 year NFL career
DT Steve Emtman (1992), retired at 27, career highlight 90 yard INT return as rookie
RB Kijana Carter (1995), WE MIGHT HAVE A WINNER HERE, 1K career rushing yards, never recovered from torn knee ligament
DE Courtney Brown (2000), had decent rookie year, but succumbed to injuries

To early to tell on the players drafted since 2005, and Alex Smith getting chance to redeem his poor performance years.

Kijana Carter looks like the biggest bust but at least in his (and others on this list) case, it was a tragic injury -- Jamarcus Russell a bigger bust because it seems more centered on his lack of work ethic (or maybe he wasn't that good, at least at NFL caliber level, not college where he did perform exceptional).

[Chimpy]

Worst number 2 pick overall: 1988, Tony Mandarich.

Number 3 pick that year: Barry Sanders

[Ingmar]

Mandarich is the one that always comes to mind for me, yeah, but I always forget he wasn't a #1.

[Trippy]

He's got competition from Ryan Leaf.

[HaemishM]

Don't forget Todd Maranovich.

[Velorath]

Here's the list of QBs taken #1 overall since 1970:

1970 - Terry Bradshaw*! - Pittsburgh Steelers
1971 - Jim Plunkett - New England Patriots
1975 - Steve Bartkowski - Atlanta Falcons
1983 - John Elway*! - Baltimore Colts (traded to Denver Broncos)
1987 - Vinny Testaverde - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1989 - Troy Aikman*! - Dallas Cowboys
1990 - Jeff George - Indianapolis Colts
1993 - Drew Bledsoe# - New England Patriots
1998 - Peyton Manning! - Indianapolis Colts
1990 - Tim Couch - Cleveland Browns
2001 - Michael Vick - Atlanta Falcons
2002 - David Carr - Houston Texans
2003 - Carlson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals
2004 - Eli Manning! - San Diego Chargers (traded to New York Giants)
2005 - Alex Smith - San Francisco 49ers
2007 - JaMarcus Russell - Oakland Raiders
2009 - Matthew Stafford - Detroit Lions
2010 - Sam Bradford - St. Louis Rams
2011 - Cam Newton - Carolina Panthers

* Hall of Fame
! Won a Super Bowl with the team they started with
# Went to a Super Bowl with the team they started with

There's been remarkably few complete busts though also very few true superstar QBs.

The superstars often seem to be the ones nobody sees coming when you look at guys like Montana and Brady who went in the 3rd and 6th rounds respectively.

[Paelos]

Charles Rodgers, the Wideout from Michigan State, goes as one of the worst #2 picks of all time in my book.

Injury prone, steroids, blatant pot smoking, and he beat up a chick.

EDIT: Oh I left out that he was picked one pick before Andre Johnson. 

[WayAbvPar]

In Steve Emtman's defense, he blew out both of his knees a few years before they got really good at repairing them, which is why his career was so short. I wouldn't say he was a bust, just that injuries killed his career. He was a fucking MONSTER when he was healthy in college. Like Suh, but a bit smaller and a lot quicker. And like Suh, he was the guy you found before the snap to watch, which is a pretty nice compliment to a defensive tackle.


As for terrible #2s, the prosecution would like to introduce Rick Mirer into evidence.

[naum]

This was a tragic 1st round pick by the Steelers in 83 (picked ahead of Pittsburgh native and Pitt standout QB Dan Marino) -- Gabe Rivera -- played 6 games, then a drunk driving accident left him paralyzed.

[Rasix]

As for terrible #2s, the prosecution would like to introduce Rick Mirer into evidence.

Has anyone said Ryan Leaf yet?

Whew.. Trippy beat me to it.

[Ingmar]

Don't forget Todd Maranovich.

I thought of this one too and then I went and looked it up and he was picked like 26th or something. That's when I remembered I was thinking of the other M-------ich anyway.

EDIT: I'm not even sure he's the worst #26 pick - hi2u Jim Druckenmiller.

[Chimpy]

Ok, I know you guys like to harp on the bust QBs.

But just read who else was in the 1989 draft when the Packers picked:

Wikipedia:
"Ante Josip "Tony" Mandarich (born September 23, 1966) is a former football offensive lineman of the NFL. He was the first round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers in 1989, second overall behind quarterback Troy Aikman, and ahead of the third selection, running back Barry Sanders, the fourth selection, linebacker Derrick Thomas, and the fifth selection, cornerback Deion Sanders."

4 Hall of Fame players, one total dud.

And he held out so he missed out on training camp. I remember visiting my grandparents early that August outside of Green Bay and the BIGGEST story on the news and in the papers the time I was there was "Holdout still going on!"

[Paelos]

This MNF continues a trend of  this week.

[MuffinMan]

I just checked the box score before I turned it on. I refreshed the page a few times thinking the stats were from the 1st quarter.

[Trippy]

What's going on with the Ravens offense?

[Rasix]

No idea, but they're tanking my fantasy team right now.

[Nevermore]

They were secretly replaced with the Rams offense.

[Rasix]

Flacco is terrible.

[HaemishM]

What's going on with the Ravens offense?

Joe Flacco. He can be really good and then he lays an absolute duck. He's at the point in his career where he's either going to take that next step up and get rid of some of the mistake throws he makes, or he's going to always be what he appears to be. Good some days, awful the next.

[Cyrrex]

The funniest thing about this whole Andrew Luck thing is that there is every chance he is going to fucking stink as an NFL QB, and being on a awful, shitty team is just going to make that more likely.  There is NO SUCH THING as a sure fire QB coming out of college.  There have been several sure things over the past decades, and it often doesn't pan out as expected.

I'm not saying that I am either hoping or expecting that he tanks, just that it is beyond silly to try to lose games just to have a chance for him.

[Paelos]

If Andrew Luck stinks, the projections people might as well quit their jobs and get to farming. EVERYBODY is on this kid as an NFL ready QB. Try and find some detractors. There aren't any.

[ghost]

To continue the discussion of shitty quarterbacks, here's a list of the 50 worst quarterbacks in NFL history.  

I won't spoil the list for you, but Oakland plays a prominent role.  

[Paelos]

I knew Purple Drank woule be #1.

[Outlawedprod]

They had a pretty damning statistic on the TV during that game, where Indy hasn't won a single fucking game if Manning wasn't playing. Like, ever.

1995 Jim Harbaugh led them into the playoffs as a wild card.  They lost to the Steelers when their hail mary 29 yard pass at the end of regulation failed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hxVk9XdUE&feature=player_detailpage#t=461s

This was pretty much the only high point until Manning came.

[HaemishM]

I knew Purple Drank woule be #1.

And the biggest lesson to me out of that list? DON'T FUCKING HOLD OUT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A QB. The amount of prep that goes into learning how to be an NFL QB is insane, and every single second counts. Too bad teams can't take a mulligan on a QB they draft who holds out, because they likely just wasted a shitload of effort on a guy that's going to set their franchise back half-a-decade.