NFL 2011

[Johny Cee]

It sounded like the Giants played hard, they just left too much time for Rodgers.

He only had about a minute.  The Giants D just allowed the Packers two huge plays.  Really, about half way through the fourth, both team's defenses were putty after getting worked on by good QBs having good days.


It was a great football game, and both Rodgers and Eli were playing great football.  The Cowboys lost, so the NFC East is likely to come down to the Cowboys/Giants head to head games....  which is great for fans.

Obviously, Paelos is going to have to sacrifice more virgins to Abacus.

[Paelos]

Meh, Cowboys ALWAYS have problems with Arizona. They have for as long as I can remember. And no, I have no idea why. It's sort of like how the Braves constantly struggle against the Nationals for some god-awful voodoo reason.

The good news is the rest of the NFC East took a week off. I'm just marking this as another one off the calendar, and another one closer to the head-to-head matches with the Giants that will decide the division.

[Paelos]

Also, Detroit has lost complete control of their team.

[Trippy]

Yes they are now the Raiders of the NFC.

[DLRiley]

TEEE-BONE!!! 

.... 

[HaemishM]

Way to make me sweat, Rodgers! That was a good game. I was actually sweating it for the Pack, but they came back and did the business in style. Rodgers really wasn't having a great day. Lots of dropped balls, some missed throws and you could tell the Giants playing so much coverage was wearing on him. The worrying thing was the injury to Starks. Neither Seine or Grant are the kind of punishing back the Packers need to close out games. And that defense... holy shit, the Packers really have got to get their defense straight. If Woodson is seriously hurt, their secondary is not playing well (and Woodson was having a bad day too). Peprah and Burnett are decent safeties, but they got exploited deep yesterday multiple times. Brees and New Orleans might have won that game, although their defense is worse than the Giants so maybe not.

Dallas...  The worst opponent Dallas can face is themselves. They are just a cluster fuck. No one wants to win the NFC East, but good for the fans and the TV ratings that the division will come down to two head to head games late in the season. There's absolutely no way to call the games either, because both teams can play fantastic football before swallowing their own tongues, falling on the floor and writhing to their painful deaths at any minute.

The Falcons are a complete headscratcher. They go out and get the deep threat weapon they felt they lacked last year and suddenly, Matt Ryan can't hit the broad side of a barn. In the first half, there were four deep bomb plays that should have either been caught for long yards or touchdowns that weren't because Ryan couldn't hit a wide open guy. Hell, the first three plays of the game were all deep shots that were missed by Ryan. The playcalling is schizophrenic. Either you're a run first playaction team, or you're a vertical team that can run, but they can't seem to decide which to be. Their O line does a poor job of protection and they don't run nearly enough. Ryan's throwing too many picks and he's getting sacked more. They really need to rein it in, run the ball a lot more and playaction off of that.

Detroit has just lost their goddamn minds. There needs to be like miles of laps being run today in practice because there are guys on that team who are KILLING that team with stupid, dick-waving penalties. Their lack of running game is hurting them, but they didn't run the ball badly. Not having a plan B when Calvin Johnson is triple covered is hurting them a lot. They could have really given New Orleans a run for their money had it not been for the preponderance of stupid penalties. Lucky for them that no one else seems to want to win the wild card either.

The Bears are fucking done. No Cutler and now no Forte? Forget about it. Games they should win (Denver, Seattle and Minnesota) I'm now not entirely sure they can win. Denver is going to win an ugly 6-3 game or some shit, Seattle will probably win another close one only because they play in Chicago, we know Green Bay will win unless they rest players (which is a possibility given that Green Bay will likely have nothing to play for other than undefeated) and Minnesota might give them a game if Peterson is back. So Chicago could go 0-4, 1-3 or 2-2 down the stretch and if they don't go at least 3-1, they are out of the playoffs most likely.

Fucking Raiders. Please win the division just so I don't have to watch The Florida Gators Denver Broncos in the playoffs. How the hell is Miami playing this good? I must have been right about the Dolphins' choice to go pass happy early in the season being the wrong choice because they ran the ball 44 times and beat the shit out of the Raiders. Matt Moore is pretty quietly playing decent QB and guess what Fins fans? That might be your QB for the next few years since you've lost the Luck sweepstakes.

Houston's defense is a lot better than I thought it would be, but I don't think they can go very far with T.J. Yates as their QB - not against teams like Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Just based on the schedules, I think Denver is actually going to win the AFC West and the Bengals might make the playoffs. The last weekend will have some HUGE games - Jets/Miami, Titans/Houston and Cincy/Baltimore are going to be the games that decide that final wild card spot. Right now, the tiebreakers go to Cincy and if all the teams go 2-2 like I expect, that might not change. I'm actually hoping for the Raiders or the Titans to get the final playoff spot because I don't really want to see the Jets or Cincy in the playoffs again.

[Malakili]

Detroit has just lost their goddamn minds. There needs to be like miles of laps being run today in practice because there are guys on that team who are KILLING that team with stupid, dick-waving penalties.

Detroit has been this way for quite a while, it is just that they are finally otherwise good enough that it is the penalties hosing them.   They did have it under control earlier in the season, which was remarkable at the time to me.  But this looks to me less like losing their minds and more like return to business as usual.

[Merusk]

I'm actually hoping for the Raiders or the Titans to get the final playoff spot because I don't really want to see the Jets or Cincy in the playoffs again.

Aw, c'mon who DOESN'T love the one-and-done show that the Bengals make in playoffs?   

[Paelos]

Detroit has just lost their goddamn minds. There needs to be like miles of laps being run today in practice because there are guys on that team who are KILLING that team with stupid, dick-waving penalties.

Detroit has been this way for quite a while, it is just that they are finally otherwise good enough that it is the penalties hosing them.   They did have it under control earlier in the season, which was remarkable at the time to me.  But this looks to me less like losing their minds and more like return to business as usual.

Nobody shoves a referee even when you're a complete thug. My jaw was on the floor when that happened late in the game after all the other shit that had gone on. The fact that didn't eject him immediately was astounding. He'll get his ass fined by the league.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, he should have been ejected. At the very least, the coach should have told him to hit the fucking showers for being such a retard.

[Paelos]

Yeah, he should have been ejected. At the very least, the coach should have told him to hit the fucking showers for being such a retard.

Detroit's coach doesn't exactly have room to tell people to calm down after chasing Harbaugh off the field after a botched handshake

[SnakeCharmer]

You can now buy Packers stock and become an NFL co-owner!

Bought 1 share 

[HaemishM]

I would have loved to get some Packers stock, but I think they sold out in like 11 minutes.

[SnakeCharmer]

Bought it an hour or two ago.  Should still be some available.  250 bucks though.  That was a hard sell to the wife.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, $250 was the other part of it. Christmas presents supercede vanity stock.

[Merusk]

Presents?  Why not just divert a few hundred out of your IRA if you want to own Packers stock that bad?  You're old now, start thinking like it. 

[ghost]

Yeah, $250 was the other part of it. Christmas presents supercede vanity stock.

It's a stock so it's an investment.  It could appreciate in value.

Edit:  Sometimes you people are entirely too serious. 

[SnakeCharmer]

Yeah, $250 was the other part of it. Christmas presents supercede vanity stock.

It's a stock so it's an investment.  It could appreciate in value.

It won't appreciate at all.  They were pretty clear and upfront about it.  It is basically the same thing as taking 250 bucks and lighting it on fire.  But you can legally say you're a NFL co-owner, and by all rights you are.  But it's never going to appreciate, pay dividends or anything else.  It is only loosely defined as a stock and not publicly traded on the NYSE or anything.  Haemish is absolutely right that's a vanity thing only.

This is right under the "I WANT TO PURCHASE STOCK IN GREEN BAY PACKERS, INC"

COMMON STOCK DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN INVESTMENT IN “STOCK” IN THE COMMON SENSE OF THE TERM.

PURCHASERS SHOULD NOT PURCHASE COMMON STOCK WITH THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A PROFIT.

Then also this in the FAQ

[Chimpy]

God I both wish I had known about the offering and had the spare cash.

[01101010]

Yeah, $250 was the other part of it. Christmas presents supercede vanity stock.

It's a stock so it's an investment.  It could appreciate in value.

It won't appreciate at all.  They were pretty clear and upfront about it.  It is basically the same thing as taking 250 bucks and lighting it on fire.  But you can legally say you're a NFL co-owner, and by all rights you are.  But it's never going to appreciate, pay dividends or anything else.  It is only loosely defined as a stock and not publicly traded on the NYSE or anything.  Haemish is absolutely right that's a vanity thing only.

This is right under the "I WANT TO PURCHASE STOCK IN GREEN BAY PACKERS, INC"

COMMON STOCK DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN INVESTMENT IN “STOCK” IN THE COMMON SENSE OF THE TERM.

PURCHASERS SHOULD NOT PURCHASE COMMON STOCK WITH THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A PROFIT.

Then also this in the FAQ

Wow... and I thought the paying to name a star bullshit was a rip off.

[HaemishM]

It's basically a donation to the team so they can improve the stadium, and thus future team revenues. It's not really stock. The only reason besides being a Packers' fan that I would be ok with such a thing is the fact that the Packers are a team owned by the community, not by one giant rich asshole. Jerry Jones can build his own goddamn epeen stadium with his own goddamn money. The Packers are almost a commune-type of deal and I dig that.

[Paelos]

It's a donation you get no benefit from.

This is the dumbest offering I've ever heard of from a financial standpoint in recent years.

[ghost]

They get a nice certificate to hang on the wall and the ability to say "hey, I own part of the Packers".  You're not a Packers fan, so it's difficult to understand.  I can't say that I really understand it, either, but it probably has a little to do with the fact that it isn't a privately owned team.

Oh, and.......

[Paelos]

They get a nice certificate to hang on the wall and the ability to say "hey, I own part of the Packers".  You're not a Packers fan, so it's difficult to understand.  I can't say that I really understand it, either, but it probably has a little to do with the fact that it isn't a privately owned team.

But you don't own anything. You own a piece of paper that grants you a vote. At the end of the day, if they sold the franchise all your money gets donated to charity and you get nothing.

[ghost]

But you don't own anything. You own a piece of paper that grants you a vote. At the end of the day, if they sold the franchise all your money gets donated to charity and you get nothing.

You're completely missing the point, which is that the people that would buy these things care fuck all for your rational, CPA way of thinking about this.

[Paelos]

But you don't own anything. You own a piece of paper that grants you a vote. At the end of the day, if they sold the franchise all your money gets donated to charity and you get nothing.

You're completely missing the point, which is that the people that would buy these things care fuck all for your rational, CPA way of thinking about this.

 

[HaemishM]

They get a nice certificate to hang on the wall and the ability to say "hey, I own part of the Packers".  You're not a Packers fan, so it's difficult to understand.  I can't say that I really understand it, either, but it probably has a little to do with the fact that it isn't a privately owned team.

But you don't own anything. You own a piece of paper that grants you a vote. At the end of the day, if they sold the franchise all your money gets donated to charity and you get nothing.

Yes, you get fuckall. You spend $250 on a piece of paper you can frame on the wall. If you are a Packer fan, it's still pretty cool - like owning a seat from old Comiskey Park if you are a White Sox fan, or one of Tom Landry's hats, or an autograph from Roger Staubach. It's a worthless vanity product. Like a limited edition statue or something.

[Paelos]

Except the limited edition statue or seat appreciates in value.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO SELL THE FUCKING PIECE OF PAPER.

EDIT: I know, I know. I understand that it's about the vanity, but this kind of shit breaks my fucking brain when people bitch about not having enough money for their 401k, but they have Packers stock hanging on the wall.

[HaemishM]

/shrug

[Evildrider]

Sounds like you got fudge Packered for 250 bucks.

[Chimpy]

Except the limited edition statue or seat appreciates in value.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO SELL THE FUCKING PIECE OF PAPER.

EDIT: I know, I know. I understand that it's about the vanity, but this kind of shit breaks my fucking brain when people bitch about not having enough money for their 401k, but they have Packers stock hanging on the wall.

Actually, you can sell your shares. You just cannot sell them for more than the face value.

[Paelos]

Shares of stock cannot be resold, except back to the team
for a fraction of the original price. Limited transfer of shares
(i.e., to heirs and relatives) is permissible.

Whoopdedoo. I can sell them back to the team for a loss. Again, this is really really REALLY stupid. Donate your money to charity. At least you get a tax writeoff.

[Chimpy]

It is not for you, we get it.

[Merusk]

Except the limited edition statue or seat appreciates in value.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO SELL THE FUCKING PIECE OF PAPER.

EDIT: I know, I know. I understand that it's about the vanity, but this kind of shit breaks my fucking brain when people bitch about not having enough money for their 401k, but they have Packers stock hanging on the wall.

I felt that way until I realized that every person increasing their personal wealth was fucking me over by that same amount.  It's the old "if everyone has a million dollars" question.  Since then I'm all for folks spending vs. saving.

[Paelos]

It is not for you, we get it.

A fool and his money, buyer beware, etc.

In other news, Pittsburgh is playing like hell on TNF.