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Reply #770 on: October 23, 2017, 08:23:04 PM

I was thinking it looked like a Kia Soul. Lots of that tiny boxy weird looking design going around, like the Jeep Renegade wtf.

Hey - at least if you buy a Renegade, you can do stoppies!

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Reply #771 on: October 27, 2017, 11:02:54 AM

Anyone driven a Subaru Crosstrek with a manual?  They are getting a redesign for 2018 and I wonder if 152 HP is enough for an AWD car.

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Reply #772 on: October 27, 2017, 01:16:27 PM

Anyone driven a Subaru Crosstrek with a manual?  They are getting a redesign for 2018 and I wonder if 152 HP is enough for an AWD car.

Does Subaru offer a manual on the crosstrek? I only drove the CVT. Thought they only offered manual on the WRX and BRZ.

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Reply #773 on: October 27, 2017, 04:00:35 PM

Does Subaru offer a manual on the crosstrek? I only drove the CVT. Thought they only offered manual on the WRX and BRZ.

Their website states that you can order it with one.  I doubt that many lots would keep one in stock... too few people want them any more.

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Reply #774 on: October 27, 2017, 05:46:01 PM

Hmm, didn't realize that. Makes sense I guess.

I honestly don't care about having a manual or auto-magical transmission anymore.

If I feel the need to play OCD shifting gears guy, I can switch my DSG into manual mode and use the paddles or the stick. But I have probably done that less than 10 times in the 5 1/2 years I have had my GTI.

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Reply #775 on: October 27, 2017, 07:39:25 PM

That's about 20 HP less than my 2017 Outback for a kerb weight that's 400-600 pounds lower, on average. The Outback feels a bit struggly unless I stomp on it for sharp hills and whatnot, but I have no complaints, so it seems like the XTrek wouldn't be in a horrible quandary. For regular driving, I never notice a thing or have a complaint. If you want to lug around a ton of sand or really got offroading, you're probably fucked.

And yeah, these days, unless you're just concerned with maintenance costs or you like track days and don't want to break traction downshifting coming out of turn nine on the back stretch and want the control, there's no reason to go with a manual anymore. The CVT or these automated SMGs give you anything the normal person wants without all that loss to fluid dynamics of the traditional automatic.

EDIT: All figures according to a quick googling.
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Reply #776 on: October 28, 2017, 12:43:42 PM

At that weight and horsepower it would be just adequate as a daily driver and under powered if loaded down with gear or towing something.
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Reply #777 on: November 01, 2017, 05:48:23 PM

Anyone driven a Subaru Crosstrek with a manual?  They are getting a redesign for 2018 and I wonder if 152 HP is enough for an AWD car.

It sounds like it'd be a slug with 152hp pushing 3500 pounds, but you're not exactly going to drive something like that particularly hard.  For the types of people that buy CUVs, it's fine.  It's a pity they don't put the WRX's turbo 2.0 in there, but I don't know if the audience actually exists for that.
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Reply #778 on: November 17, 2017, 02:57:35 PM

What about a Tesla Roadster 2 "Founder's edition".

Full deposit of $250,000 due now, limited to 1000 cars.

If that's too pricey Roadster 2 normal costs only 200,000 and deposit is only 50,000.

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Reply #779 on: November 17, 2017, 03:01:48 PM

What about a Tesla Roadster 2 "Founder's edition".

Full deposit of $250,000 due now, limited to 1000 cars.

If that's too pricey Roadster 2 normal costs only 200,000 and deposit is only 50,000.

Hard to see an electric car becoming a collector's car... that battery would be a liability after 10 years.

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Reply #780 on: November 17, 2017, 04:35:52 PM

I'm not sure I am on board with electric cars.  Seems to me that we're trading carbon emissions for battery waste.  That and it encourages some shady practices in the rare metal extraction market.   I'd much prefer investment in mass transit and a social shift away from individual vehicles.

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Reply #781 on: November 17, 2017, 04:51:36 PM

But then you can't do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXWfL-1ieuE&t=56m20s   (starts at 56mins in)

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Reply #782 on: November 17, 2017, 05:54:37 PM

It bears more than a passing resemblance to the current Lotus Evora, which makes me wonder if they didn't basically do the same thing they did with the original Roadster (Lotus chassis, new bodywork and powertrain).

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Reply #783 on: November 17, 2017, 08:43:36 PM

I'm not sure I am on board with electric cars.  Seems to me that we're trading carbon emissions for battery waste.  That and it encourages some shady practices in the rare metal extraction market.   I'd much prefer investment in mass transit and a social shift away from individual vehicles.

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The issue at the moment is more like they introduce a Truck and a Roadster, at the same moment they promised to produce approximativ 5000 Model 3/month cars and put out 260 (+/- quoting from memory)  in a month.

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Reply #784 on: November 18, 2017, 06:09:00 PM

A friend at work bought one of the original Roadsters (just looked it up, they came out in 2008, so it was probably 2008-2009 when he got his).  I could never spend that much money on a car, but having ridden in it a few times, it is a pretty goddamn impressive vehicle.  Merging onto a freeway when you can go from zero to 60 in nothing flat is a thing of beauty.

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Reply #785 on: November 19, 2017, 11:25:41 AM

I'm not sure I am on board with electric cars.  Seems to me that we're trading carbon emissions for battery waste.  That and it encourages some shady practices in the rare metal extraction market.   I'd much prefer investment in mass transit and a social shift away from individual vehicles.
Battery waste doesn't pose the risk of an extinction level event like carbon emission does, so that's still a good trade off.  Also, Europe and much of Asia has amazing public transit that millions of people use.  Everybody also still has a car and likes to drive.  No amount of social engineering is going to change that unless it comes from the end of a gun.

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Reply #786 on: November 19, 2017, 01:28:50 PM

I'm not sure I am on board with electric cars.  Seems to me that we're trading carbon emissions for battery waste.  That and it encourages some shady practices in the rare metal extraction market.   I'd much prefer investment in mass transit and a social shift away from individual vehicles.
Battery waste doesn't pose the risk of an extinction level event like carbon emission does, so that's still a good trade off.  Also, Europe and much of Asia has amazing public transit that millions of people use.  Everybody also still has a car and likes to drive.  No amount of social engineering is going to change that unless it comes from the end of a gun.

Electric car have life cycle emissions too. 1-1 of course less, but if you are buying a Tesla Tank you are doing it for the ego, not because you care for the environment:




Battery waste doesn't pose the risk of an extinction level event like carbon emission does, so that's still a good trade off.  Also, Europe and much of Asia has amazing public transit that millions of people use.  Everybody also still has a car and likes to drive.  No amount of social engineering is going to change that unless it comes from the end of a gun.

Unless you live in the countryside (where I grew up and a car is needed) it is quite possible to affect a long term change. Austria generally has good public transport, on the other hand is lagging behind supporting cycling (cycling lanes, bike sharing) is not doing much to support cycling. Nevertheless the car ownership in Vienna dropped ~10% since around 2000. You can see the difference compared to Denmark, which is bike-paradise:

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Also besides the carrot there is also the stick gun called taxes:

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Reply #787 on: November 19, 2017, 05:25:04 PM

I do not understand how they get to their KG CO2 equivalent numbers for production(even then the model S is significantly less emitting than an equivalent luxury car or a similarly performing vehicle).

Its also slightly disingenuous because its assuming US Midwest. Where people who live on the west coast and get their electricity largely from hydroelectric rather than coal are going to have a much lower KG CO2 use number which will put them under the Mirage for lifetime numbers
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Reply #788 on: November 19, 2017, 07:22:35 PM

The truly disingenuous portion of these comparisons is they include the carbon emissions from one source's fuel production but not the other.

If you're going to include the emissions for generating electricity, you must also include the emissions for refining and transporting gasoline. We'll just let coal vs. oil extraction be a wash until those numbers are included.


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Reply #789 on: November 19, 2017, 08:05:43 PM

How do you know that wasn't considered? Financial Times quoted a MIT report (which I admit I didn't read)


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Reply #790 on: November 19, 2017, 10:16:59 PM

Not sure what it's worth, but that is a good journal.

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Reply #791 on: November 20, 2017, 11:07:14 AM

Someone recommended a Jaguar.  Looks nice.  Not sure they are near enough to a Nissan in terms of frequency of maintenance.  Anyone here have experience?

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Reply #792 on: November 20, 2017, 11:58:34 AM

That'd be Schild. I imagine their maintenance is like a BMW or Audi - expensive but not ornery if the car is new-ish.

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Reply #793 on: November 20, 2017, 11:59:18 AM

No personal experience but historically Jaguar cars have been notoriously bad in terms of the amount of maintenance they need.

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Reply #794 on: November 20, 2017, 12:37:10 PM

Jaguars are wonderful to drive but EXTREMELY unreliable.  They are a high strung and high maintenance car, but a joy when they run well.

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Reply #795 on: November 20, 2017, 01:09:54 PM

Thanks for the tips.  I can't deal with large maintenance requirements.

At the moment, probably will be next fall before I get the new car.

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Reply #796 on: November 20, 2017, 01:47:43 PM

Is there a motorcycle thread? if there isn't any of you ride and what's the best way to learn to ride? I'm completely fucking done with cars, the sooner the better.

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Reply #797 on: November 20, 2017, 02:09:19 PM

I don't trust other drivers that much.

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Reply #798 on: November 20, 2017, 02:30:24 PM

I don't trust other drivers that much.

This.  I love riding motorcycles but don't trust other people.  This is especially true with how many drivers are more focused on their phone than the road.

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Reply #799 on: November 20, 2017, 02:42:18 PM

I sold my last bike a ~4 years ago. I also don't like riding on the road with all these other car drivers who barely follow the road signs let alone look for anyone else outside their vehicle. Plus I was always hot or cold, and its loud (can't listen to podcasts), and really not that fun for a 35-45 min commute with traffic lights. However, when I lived near a highway where I hopped on the HOV that took me straight into downtown, it was a nice quick ride and easy parking.

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Reply #800 on: November 20, 2017, 04:20:25 PM

I live in a city and I hate driving with a passion so its more like, why am I struggling w/ this expensive huge pita and hating using it when I could spend less and feel less bad not using a bike, also I could park it easier and nobody would ever ask me to drive other people places.

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Reply #801 on: November 20, 2017, 05:01:31 PM

Most states have motorcycle riding classes where you then can get your license without having to take an exam at the DMV. You also get a discount on insurance usually if you have taken a class in the last 3 years.

Riding a motorcycle in a major city as a novice rider would not be high on my list of things to want to do.

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Reply #802 on: November 20, 2017, 05:36:49 PM

There are safer things to do, like russian roulette. I gave up riding years ago, my old roommate still rides his Harley to work sometimes, but it's even getting too bad for him. Other drivers will eventually kill you without noticing if you ride enough.
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Reply #803 on: November 21, 2017, 07:22:11 AM

Just because I'm not riding one doesn't mean that I think it is a terrible idea.  It is always a huge safety issue whenever and however you get onto the streets or highways (compare deaths on the road to any other cause of death).  BUT!  Even before the office move, I would spend 55 minutes in the car on the way home.  I could have probably cut 5-10 minutes off with a bike and a little disregard for lanes.  Now that the new office adds 45-60 minutes to the commute?  There is a tremendous appeal.

I'm not learning to ride a bike in Atlanta traffic at the age of 45.  A man's got to know his limitations.

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Reply #804 on: November 21, 2017, 01:49:12 PM

I know one guy who died in a car wreck, back in high school because we all drove while blackout drunk. Amazing that's not a higher number.

I know a bunch of people who have died on motorcycles, stone cold sober. Including my cousin's husband who left her homeless with three kids because he was too cool to stop riding.

Also, my dad walks with a limp to this day because of a bike wreck when he was 18 and forbid me from ever riding one. Also, the motherfucker was in NASCAR, a local cop, a sheriff, a fireman and a nuclear fireman turned safety specialist. The only two things he warned me about in life was tobacco and motorcycles.

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