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Topic: The Hobbit (2012/2013) (Read 224958 times)
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Margalis
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Almost all television is shot faster than 48fps.
This is no different to arguing that HD is bad because it requires more work to hide problems. I can completely see why a filmmaker might go for a lower frame rate for a specific artistic reason but it confuses me why people see this as anything other than a resolution increase. Resolution, contrast, frame rate mean the film works on larger screens and are all improvements I can get behind. 3d on the other hand can go fuck itself.
3D is as much a resolution increase as any of these other things. Not sure what your logic is for picking and choosing. You are all being crazy, by the way. More frames is a good thing.
Except when it looks worse. What's crazy is looking at something that looks poor and claiming that even though it looks bad it must somehow be better because of tech specs. Maybe once the technology is nailed more frames will be a good thing. I don't see any inherent reason why not. But right now the combination of high framerate and digital just looks bad. |
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« Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 09:05:35 AM by Margalis »
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Margalis
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Not to sidetrack the framerate discussion or anything but am I the only person that has no interest in seeing this? Advance word of mouth is so mixed and I'm getting a "Peter thinks he's the shit now and doesn't need an editor" vibe from what I'm hearing. I'll probably watch it on Blu Ray but have resisted attempts by friends to rope me into seeing it in the theater.
LOTR movies were terrible and King Kong, the previous "Peter doesn't need an editor" movie, was even worse. I'm don't understand why anyone would be interested in seeing this other than an attachment to the source material. |
vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Sheepherder
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Low framerate and uneven framerate are two different things. The word "means" and "is" are two different things. Digital cameras show motion blur too, because they still work by capturing light over one frame's worth of time (blur is the effect of the moving image averaging out over that period of time). But yeah, games haven't historically had that (although they are now starting to simulate it, which is pretty cool). I was actually wondering about digital cameras, now I know. It isn't really the same thing at all. Yes it is. No, it really isn't. No matter how low your framerate gets in a game it will not ever introduce motion blur. No matter how high it gets it will not remove (post-processing) motion blur (there is no natural motion blur, because each frame in a game represents a single discrete state). That represents a fairly significant departure from film. |
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Mrbloodworth
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Because all that matters to someone playing a game, or watching a movie. In fact, they may walk out of the theater knowing its all a sham.
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You are not making sense now, sorry. Motion blur is markedly different from low frame rate. Example of motion blur:   You don't need to be a gold-plated-audio-cable I-play-in-120-fps-only douchebag nerd to notice the occurrence/absence of motion blur. |
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Not to sidetrack the framerate discussion or anything but am I the only person that has no interest in seeing this? Advance word of mouth is so mixed and I'm getting a "Peter thinks he's the shit now and doesn't need an editor" vibe from what I'm hearing. I'll probably watch it on Blu Ray but have resisted attempts by friends to rope me into seeing it in the theater.
I'm definitley skipping it in the theater. I'm not sure I even want to watch it on Blu-Ray. I just don't want to see PJ turn a fun adventure book into a bland action movie. |
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Sheepherder
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You don't need to be a gold-plated-audio-cable I-play-in-120-fps-only douchebag nerd to notice the occurrence/absence of motion blur. Pff. Go optical 5.1 or go home. Poser. Not really. My audio is a Corsair headset. |
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Ratman_tf
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Why do soaps look like they've been filmed in 48 fps?
Why are you watching soaps? I remember my mom watching them many years ago, and noticing the framerate difference, although I didn't know what the heck was the nature of the difference back then. |
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Mrbloodworth
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Motion blur is a post process in games. Its also a post process in broadcast rendering.
Most people will not care how its achieved. Not even sure why we are talking about motion blur anyway.
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Lantyssa
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Going alone is not an option as cinemas are usually full of couples. Depressing to pay 7€ for the privilege of being reminded one is single - at least at home I can stay in my pjamas, start drinking screwdrivers when the opening credits start and later pause every 15 minutes for a pee break.  Other than for a few action blockbusters, this is my preferred method of seeing movies. Even with friends, PJs and a nice drink makes it so much more enjoyable. I'll be dragged along to the Hobbit though, as my friends are all massive LoTR fans. |
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Margalis
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Low framerate and uneven framerate are two different things. The word "means" and "is" are two different things. This is what you wrote: In games low framerates means stuttering, because each frame is rendered from a discrete game state at whatever rate your card can render it at, and some states are more computationally complex to render than others.
This is simply not true. Low framerates means low framerates, stuttering means stuttering. If a game is rendered as fast as possible then stuttering can occur at any framerate. If a game is rendered with a fixed time step and synched to vblank no stuttering will occur at any framerate. |
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« Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 12:21:01 PM by Margalis »
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Lucas
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I will watch the first showing here in my hometown on Thursday at 7.30pm CET. Rigorously in good old 2D at 24fps.
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Mrbloodworth
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I'm going to watch this M'fer in 3D AND in 48 frames, in god dam IMAX.
Take that, f13 Hipsters!
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Not to sidetrack the framerate discussion or anything but am I the only person that has no interest in seeing this? Advance word of mouth is so mixed and I'm getting a "Peter thinks he's the shit now and doesn't need an editor" vibe from what I'm hearing. I'll probably watch it on Blu Ray but have resisted attempts by friends to rope me into seeing it in the theater.
No, you're not the only person. All the reviews I've read say it's a tedious film that obsesses on minutiae and drags a decent story out into an interminably long slog. I'm uninterested in the 48fps/3D/whatever since I cannot watch films in cinemas any more, only when they come out on BluRay, etc. |
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HaemishM
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Take that, f13 Hipsters!
Please stop. |
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Lucas
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Further proof that Italians have suspect taste in games.
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I'm going to watch this M'fer in 3D AND in 48 frames, in god dam IMAX.
Take that, f13 Hipsters!
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Merusk
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Take that, f13 Hipsters!
Please stop. The more I see it the more it rings true, sadly. |
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Take that, f13 Hipsters!
Please stop. The more I see it the more it rings true, sadly. Not really. Ultimately it's just a particular form of anti-intellectualism. Bloodworth is telling us to turn off our brains and join the Idiocracy, critical thinking about the content or form is not welcome. |
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shiznitz
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One can critically disapprove of a movie yet still enjoy it. Enjoyment is the part we pay for.
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Samwise
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Take that, f13 Hipsters!
Please stop. The more I see it the more it rings true, sadly. Not really. Ultimately it's just a particular form of anti-intellectualism. Bloodworth is telling us to turn off our brains and join the Idiocracy, critical thinking about the content or form is not welcome. But... it has the framerate that plants crave! |
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Mrbloodworth
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Take that, f13 Hipsters!
Please stop. The more I see it the more it rings true, sadly. Not really. Ultimately it's just a particular form of anti-intellectualism. Bloodworth is telling us to turn off our brains and join the Idiocracy, critical thinking about the content or form is not welcome. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll................. |
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Margalis
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People are probably taking Bloodworth's dumb joke just a bit too seriously.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Ingmar
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It's a pattern that has been present in his posts in the movie forum for years.
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Ironwood
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People are probably taking Bloodworth's dumb joke just a bit too seriously.
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Venkman
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Not to sidetrack the framerate discussion or anything but am I the only person that has no interest in seeing this? Advance word of mouth is so mixed and I'm getting a "Peter thinks he's the shit now and doesn't need an editor" vibe from what I'm hearing. I'll probably watch it on Blu Ray but have resisted attempts by friends to rope me into seeing it in the theater.
...King Kong, the previous "Peter doesn't need an editor" movie, was even worse. I clipped the part about LoTR because I did really enjoy them. King Kong though, ugh... I'm not jumping into the theater to see Hobbit asap. Maybe I'll catch it then, maybe not. It took me five months to see Dark Knight Rises, and that I sorta really wanted to see that one. Most of my movie viewing happens on flight cross country, so I like to stack them up. Also though, I'm just ambivalent about the movie-going experience. I've got a good enough set up at home, I make better popcorn than I can buy, and most importantly, my wife isn't really into it either. Could go with friends, but I'd rather just go to a pub or billiards or have them over to watch the movie. Sitting next to friends in a theater, I might as well sit alone anyway  I'm just old. |
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Cheddar
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I hate where this thread went in the last 2 pages.
Start another thread somewhere else, hippies.
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No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Samwise
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I'm going to see this thing on opening midnight because it's one of my old D&D buddies' birthday. I honestly think I'd wait for Netflix otherwise.
Happily, the Geminids are peaking that same night, so even if the movie is crap it'll be a good excuse to stay up until 3 am and catch some shooting stars.
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Lantyssa
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Start another thread somewhere else, hippies.
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Ya'll need to take to a Star Trek or Mechs thread.
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Obligatory Trammel.
I'll be seeing it because it's a goddamn Tolkien movie. I'd sit through eight hours of Simarillion, Star Wars, or hell, anything based on Hitchhiker's Guide. Because I love those stories and will enjoy someone else's envisioning of them.
Shit, Robot Chicken could do a stupidass claymation Hobbit and I'd watch it.
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Not to sidetrack the framerate discussion or anything but am I the only person that has no interest in seeing this? Advance word of mouth is so mixed and I'm getting a "Peter thinks he's the shit now and doesn't need an editor" vibe from what I'm hearing. I'll probably watch it on Blu Ray but have resisted attempts by friends to rope me into seeing it in the theater.
No, you're not the only person. All the reviews I've read say it's a tedious film that obsesses on minutiae and drags a decent story out into an interminably long slog. I'm uninterested in the 48fps/3D/whatever since I cannot watch films in cinemas any more, only when they come out on BluRay, etc. This movie looks like utter shit. Literally the trailers seem to get worse and worse every time I come across them. If I manage to see more than half of it on cable some random day I'll be surprised. |
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Happily, the Geminids are peaking that same night, so even if the movie is crap it'll be a good excuse to stay up until 3 am and catch some shooting stars.
If you actually catch one I have it on good authority that you should immediately put it in your pocket and save it for a rainy day. |
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