Lakov_Sanite
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It's so patently obvious how we as a species we have evolved just by how simplistic the philosphies of our recorded past are. Plato's argument that any man would devolve to unjust acts with access to unlimited power is not only false but also nearsighted as though any of us can truly say what is just or unjust.
TLDR: Plato was full of shite.
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Tarami
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It's ironic you should choose to use the word nearsighted. Context is a wonderful thing, applied correctly. Leading up to that quote: In Republic, Plato puts the tale of the ring of Gyges in the mouth of Glaucon, who uses it to make the point that no man is so virtuous that he could resist the temptation of being able to steal at will by the ring's power of invisibility. In contemporary terms, Glaucon argues that morality is a social construction, whose source is the desire to maintain one's reputation for virtue and honesty; when that sanction is removed, moral character would evaporate. However, Glaucon does not actually hold this belief; he merely produces this tale so that Socrates' argument for justice can be made stronger:
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lamaros
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It's so patently obvious how we as a species we have evolved just by how simplistic the philosphies of our recorded past are. Plato's argument that any man would devolve to unjust acts with access to unlimited power is not only false but also nearsighted as though any of us can truly say what is just or unjust.
TLDR: Plato was full of shite. You are an idiot. TLDR: u dum. |
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DraconianOne
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It's so patently obvious how we as a species we have evolved just by how simplistic the philosphies of our recorded past are. Plato's argument that any man would devolve to unjust acts with access to unlimited power is not only false but also nearsighted as though any of us can truly say what is just or unjust.
TLDR: Plato was full of shite.
This is hysterical. I agree with Lamaros though. |
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Engels
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Have any of you people even read any Plato, or did you just see some Bill Moyers documentary?
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DraconianOne
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Have any of you people even read any Plato, or did you just see some Bill Moyers documentary?
Nah - I'm waiting for the movie with Brad Pitt playing Socrates and Alan Rickman as Adeimantus. There should be an obligatory cameo by Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter too. |
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Ingmar
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Keanu Reeves can be the shadow on the cave wall.
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Sjofn
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What sort of haircut would he need to pull that off, do you think?
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croaker69
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It's funny because he's a pitcher, right? |
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Khaldun
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Have any of you people even read any Plato, or did you just see some Bill Moyers documentary?
All I can say is that if f13 ever wants to create a forum area that will be even more  than Politics can be on occasion, Philosophy seems to be a good bet. |
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Ironwood
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Seriously, No-one ? Ok then.My pants are full of Jizz. Though given the silence, I'm wondering if I'm behind the times or summat ? |
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TheWalrus
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Nah man, I just saw it and came here to SQUEE as well.
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Arthur_Parker
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Looks good.
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Tale
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Looks like The Hobbit done by the people who did Lord of the Rings, which it is. It'll be 95% awesome, 5% Jar Jar.
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Tannhauser
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OH HELLS YES
Edit: Hey Chris Nolan, THIS is how you do a trailer, not *mumble, mumble*, no Batman, Hines Ward.
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OH HELLS YES
Edit: Hey Chris Nolan, THIS is how you do a trailer, not *mumble, mumble*, no Batman, Hines Ward.
You realize that directors aren't usually the ones that put together the trailers right? |
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Lucas
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Further proof that Italians have suspect taste in games.
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Instant SQUEE + Orgasm. Thank you!
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" He's so impatient, it's like watching a teenager fuck a glorious older woman." - Ironwood on J.J. Abrams
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01101010
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You call it an accident. I call it justice.
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I may be in the minority, but I am sorta glad Jackson is at the helm again for this . . . I am fond of the LotR movie trilogy and having the same influence on the prequel should just add to the continuity. Not that Del Torro would have fucked it up, I could guess it would not have the same feel.
And if you get the chance, the behind the scenes youtube stuff on this movie(s) is fairly interesting.
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Ironwood
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Why would you be in the minority ?
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01101010
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You call it an accident. I call it justice.
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Why would you be in the minority ?
Ask the riff raff who take issue with Peter Jackson. |
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MuffinMan
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I think the riff raff are so loud that it's making you feel like the minority.
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HaemishM
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Just saw it this morning, and yes, much awesome and pants-jizzing was experienced.
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RhyssaFireheart
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So much awesome in that trailer!
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Merusk
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I think the riff raff are so loud that it's making you feel like the minority.
This is really the case. They're great adaptations and the sole thing I can point to as terrible is Jackson having dipped dwarves in the fountain of Derp. Maybe I missed something having not read every damn piece of Tolkien lore out there and only The Hobbit and the trilogy, but the dwarf-tossing jokes and physical comedy (which can also be seen in the trailer) always seemed out of context with the character of Gimli. Given the addition of MOAR ELVES at Helm's Deep I'm going to blame it on Jackson being an elf-lover. |
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murdoc
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Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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schild
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Seriously, No-one ? Ok then.My pants are full of Jizz. Though given the silence, I'm wondering if I'm behind the times or summat ? Read this post, thought I somehow ended up in the T&A thread. Clicked link. Can't figure out why anyone gives a fuck about The Hobbit. Going back to T&A thread. Because boobs > hairy footed people walking. |
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Ironwood
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Righto.
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Mrbloodworth
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What about harry footed people with boobs?
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MuffinMan
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Might as well just go straight for the hairy boobs.
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Merusk
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Man, he's in a mood today. The family must've called.
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The past cannot be changed. The future is yet within your power.
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Johny Cee
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Why would you be in the minority ?
Ask the riff raff who take issue with Peter Jackson. There is a small crazy contingent that thinks the LOTR movies were shit because "favorite scene X" was chopped or changed, and they are vocal. There are alot of us who liked large portions of the films but REALLY disliked some parts. I think Fellowship is top to bottom the best and most coherent of the films. Two Towers overall was pretty good, with a few weaker portions. I think Return of the King just wasn't that good, both as a film and as an adaption. Return had pacing problems, and the manufactured sideplots and time fillers were poor. The Minas Tirith section overall was weak, and Denethor was a poor character... especially sad because from Fringe I know John Noble is AWESOME. Denethor is a guy that even Gandalf is supposed to have a huge amount of respect for and be a bit afraid of, and who's main failing is being a shitty father to Faramir and giving in to despair. I really like the theory that Jackson used the Bakshi LOTR as a template on how to adapt the early portions of the novels, as I think there is a noticeable falloff in the films once they moved past that part. It's actually pretty common for film-makers to remake an older film version of an adapted novel if the original versions solved some of the adaption issues.... Micheal Mann has said that his Last of the Mohicans is really a remake of the '30s film adaption rather than an adaption of the book. I think the inevitable remake of the trilogy could go a long way in ironing out some of the problems with films two and three. I'm much happier Jackson is doing it then del Toro. Fuck that guy. The only film of his I've liked is Cronos. |
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Hawkbit
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Motherfucker is dead to me because he didn't put Tom Bombadil in. Movie will be stillborn.
j/k, Actually Johny Cee pretty much summed up my feelings as well with the movies. I appreciate the movies, but when all is said and done, I'd rather read the books. Fellowship was good, Two Towers needed an extra 90 minutes and Return could have used six full hours to flesh out characters, imo. And that puts the whole thing around what, 12+ hours? Maybe my issue is that it would simply be too long for film regardless.
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Teleku
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The directors cut of Return helps it out quite a bit. But its over 4.5 hours long.
I agree Return was the weakest, but mainly due to editing issues (which is why the directors cut works much better). I still largely enjoyed it, and thought the movie was merely good, not great, like the others.
This looks great, and I'm looking forward to it very much.
Also, there are two types of people in the world. People who like Tom Bombandil, and people who aren't fucked in the head.
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lamaros
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Hobbit was a book I enjoyed (LotR is really really boring - the kind of book it is more fun to talk about than read) so I'm probably going to enjoy this movie less as a result.
Trailer was ok, but it didn't seem to capture the special feeling of the book for me. I hope that makes its way in, rather than just being "more LotR".
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