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Reply #210 on: January 16, 2015, 09:06:56 AM

You're welcome.

So, increased aeration;  how does it work ?


Do you have a filter set up or airpump with an airstone?

For the filter setup, IIRC, the easiest way is to lower the water line so the water feeding back into the tank creates a lot of wake on the top of the water - this will provide natural aeration and you'll probably see the fish near the top 1/3 of the tank while this treatment is going on since that is where the most oxygen is found. Granted, your tank will sound like a fountain, but the extra agitation is enough to up the O2 in the water.

You can also do daily water changes of about 25%. Fresh water into a tank always ups the O2 content. If you do the increase temp and chemical treatment, you will probably already be doing this after the initial treatment.

Or another option is to go buy a cheap airpump/tubing/airstone set up and add it to your existing filter set up. That is probably the best way to go IMHO because then you have a back up air provider if your filter ever takes a piss. I have no idea what you have access to in terms of petshops or fish stores over there, but that link is basically what you are looking for. (just keep in mind, if you add an airstone, make sure you dryloop the electrical cord because airhoses can and do frequently pull water back into them which can lead to water dripping into the pump and down the cord)

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Reply #211 on: January 16, 2015, 09:25:29 AM

So, increased aeration;  how does it work ?
Stick a straw in the water and blow on it.  Make it a family activity to rally around saving the fish.

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Reply #212 on: January 16, 2015, 09:27:46 AM

Don't make me beat you, Panda.

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Reply #213 on: January 16, 2015, 10:32:37 AM

Again, great advice above.  Written like a textbook, even down to the cord loop. 

In my experience with sick fish, I only do 10% water changes, but twice per day.  It's overkill likely, but I really tried to make the changes as gradual as possible for the fish. 
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Reply #214 on: January 16, 2015, 11:13:24 AM

Has Ick mutated into some kind of killer disease? Years ago when I had fish tanks and got Ick I'd just raise the temperature a couple of degrees and put in a few drops of ick medicine and it cleared right up. I don't think I ever lost a fish to Ick and I never did water changes for it.
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Reply #215 on: January 16, 2015, 11:18:18 AM

I haz followed the usual interwebs (and pet store) advice Reg and I haz medicated and I haz water changed and all that.

It's still eating the fuck out of my fish.  I'm just looking for help before there's nothing left of the poor tossers.

They looked better this morning tho.


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Reply #216 on: January 16, 2015, 11:18:57 AM

BUT WAY TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.  WHY DON'T YOU JUST CHALLENGE ME TO A GAME OF MONOPOLY WHILE YOU'RE ABOUT IT ??!

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Reply #217 on: January 16, 2015, 12:11:19 PM

Life cycle for ich is about 4 days I think. You are breaking the cycle in a specific part of the parasite so this does take at least a week to see the results.

And surprisingly, I do not actually have any fish currently. This was all the stuff I learned while living with my xgf who was a hobbyist - to say the least. You glean a little wisdom when the hobby is as pervasive as it was in her house.

Ich is easy... talk to her about fish tuberculosis. That stuff is horrible and you don't want.

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Reply #218 on: January 16, 2015, 01:07:18 PM

BUT WAY TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.  WHY DON'T YOU JUST CHALLENGE ME TO A GAME OF MONOPOLY WHILE YOU'RE ABOUT IT ??!

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Reply #219 on: January 19, 2015, 06:01:58 PM

So how is the infestation progressing?
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Reply #220 on: January 20, 2015, 12:02:12 AM

I have used Methylene and for all the good it's done, I'd have been as well putting it up my arse.

I guess heating is a way to go now, but knowing my cack-handedness, I'm going to end up with fishsoup.

I always just skip to whatever the local pet shop has that's got Malachite Green. It's the only thing I've ever found that will get rid of Ick before it kills the fish it's shown up on. Everything else I've ever tried will usually save the other fish but anything that's showing even a few spots ends up dying. You have to hit it quick because fish are really subject to stress causing normally harmless microorganisms to run amok and kill them. And the worse it gets, the worse it gets. It sounds like they might have developed fin rot in addition to ick. You can use Melafix at the same time as the copper based ick meds to help them heal up. It also smells really wonderful since it's mostly Tea Tree extract. A word of warning though, copper based meds will kill the shit out of any invertebrates, so take out any snails, shrimp, etc you care about.

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Reply #221 on: January 20, 2015, 05:07:25 AM

Yeah, my two shrimp, Peter and Carlos, would not like that.

Just to recap, I decided 'Fuck The Instructions' and started dosing, er, more regularly.  Ick is almost completely gone and fish are healing up and looking much nicer.

Clearly, however, I'm new to this and managing to fuck up in ways probably known to all, but I'll keep you advised.

I am also a little pissed off that you buy pets for your child and end up looking after them.  I know that's pretty much standard, but it still pisses me off.

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Reply #222 on: February 21, 2015, 01:42:25 PM

i have always ran about a teaspoon of salt per 10 gallons in my tanks.  The result has been I have never had a problem with ick.  It has been my experience that fish health is a pretty simple thing to keep.  The keys were salt in the aforementioned ratio, stable temperature, good filtration, and frequent water changes.

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Reply #223 on: February 22, 2015, 05:40:31 AM

Babies happened.  Being Unprepared happened.  Baby snacking happened.

I am prepared for the next time.

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Reply #224 on: February 22, 2015, 07:00:33 AM

Babies happened.  Being Unprepared happened.  Baby snacking happened.

I am prepared for the next time.

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lmao. Yep. That is a very accurate scenario.

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Reply #225 on: February 22, 2015, 10:47:13 AM

Wait they ate the fish?

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Reply #226 on: February 22, 2015, 12:08:14 PM

Wait they ate the fish?

Fish are opportunistic... and will cannibalize their young. Basically, few fish will recognize their babies and just see something swimming about that will fit in their mouths.

However, some fish will protect their young for awhile...but even then they will only do so for so long. 

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Reply #227 on: February 22, 2015, 12:50:59 PM

I used to have guppies and am very familiar with the baby snacking phenomenon.   awesome, for real  Supposedly if you provide a lot of hiding places (plants with dense foliage, that kind of thing) a few of the babies will escape their ravenous parents for long enough to outgrow that awkward bite-sized phase.  Otherwise speedy removal to another tank is necessary if you want them to reach adulthood.

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Reply #228 on: February 22, 2015, 01:09:14 PM

Two experiences: 80g tank with rosy barbs.

One, we had the fish spawn in a small 15g tank. We got about 100 babies. Babies eat each other too. We eventually gave away around 25 of them, and kept four.

80g tank and we let them spawn in there. Lots of hiding spots. Survivors: two.

In other news... I switched to powdered fertilizers a few months back and my tanks suck now. The growth in the big tank has fallen way way back and many of the more delicate plants just died. The small tank is festooned with sme sort of hair or thread algae. Looks like a fert imbalance, but it's been hard to figure out. I don't want to go back to the liquids though, they were so freaking expensive...
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Reply #229 on: February 22, 2015, 05:07:08 PM

Mouthbrooders are fun. But my ex had a few that were not relaxed enough to let the babies out of the mouth and had to be forced. Very weird watching her pry open the mouth of her fish and having 30 babies comes forth like the plague.  awesome, for real

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Reply #230 on: February 22, 2015, 05:12:37 PM

I remember the first time I saw a documentary about the frog that carries the babies under the skin.

Fucking Nature.  It's Fucking Sickening.

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Reply #231 on: February 22, 2015, 05:26:55 PM

Anyone want a 155 gal tank n stand cheap?  awesome, for real

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Reply #232 on: February 22, 2015, 07:25:30 PM

Cannot imagine shipping costs...
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Reply #234 on: February 23, 2015, 12:53:28 AM

Babies happened.  Being Unprepared happened.  Baby snacking happened.

I am prepared for the next time.

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I put baby stations in my african tanks which is a variation of the copeopod strategies that mandarin fish keepers use.  Put simply its areas spread out in the tank that are too small for the big fish to get to.  That strategy works pretty well for me and three to five baby demasoni usually survive to adulthood.

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Reply #235 on: February 23, 2015, 05:16:58 AM

I AM PREPARED !!

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Reply #236 on: February 23, 2015, 06:14:07 AM

Java moss works pretty well as a hiding spot if you don't really care about breeding. Plop a clump of it in your tank and go about your business. You'll have at least 2-4 babies make it.

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Reply #237 on: February 23, 2015, 10:14:19 AM

I AM PREPARED !!
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED! /Illidan

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Reply #238 on: February 23, 2015, 01:40:05 PM


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Reply #239 on: May 02, 2015, 11:29:23 AM

So I am getting a new tank set up because I need a pet and a cat is out of the question currently.

I completely forgot about the start up costs for a good tank set up, and I am only setting up a 5gal. Tank, top, light, filter, substrate, water testing kits, driftwood, heater, siphon vac, dear god you take for granted a lot of this when you live with a fish keeper.  swamp poop

Hope to start a fishless cycling routine tomorrow. Probably looking to get a nice dragon betta from the local fish store since they have a few. If not, I'll be ordering one and will probably go overboard and pay too much.

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Reply #240 on: May 02, 2015, 01:37:18 PM

Bettas are really tough. Do you really need all that stuff for one?
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Reply #241 on: May 02, 2015, 01:57:07 PM

Bettas are really tough. Do you really need all that stuff for one?

Not necessarily, but if I drop $25 on a betta, I want to assure he'll live.  awesome, for real

Besides, I will probably get a +30g bowfront show tank at some point and might as well have a fully cycled hospital tank if I need. “Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.”

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Reply #242 on: May 03, 2015, 10:11:25 AM

Our betta lives in one of those "pour the water in" tanks from the TV with a single plastic plant.  I invested in a thermometer and a $12 heater this past winter since he was very sluggish and I keep the house at 62F.  He seems happy.

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Reply #243 on: May 20, 2015, 08:40:20 PM



Almost cycled. Nitrites are spiking and the nitrates are slowly increasing. Good thing because I plan on picking up a fish next week.

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Reply #244 on: May 21, 2015, 12:20:48 AM

Is that the 5g? Regardless, I like your setup. That bug might be biting me again.
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