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Reply #105 on: July 28, 2011, 02:33:32 PM

How poorly does a Junior QA Tester pay?

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.

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So if I said yes to the Junior QA tester, you'd basically fly me to Germany where I could play video games all day long, with 6 weeks of vacation a year?   awesome, for real

In between telling us to tighten up the graphics on level 3 that's exactly how it works  wink

The reality isn't far off that to be fair. The holiday is 5 weeks and not 6 and if you stretch 'running test cases' far enough you can make it look like 'playing video games' all day.

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Reply #106 on: July 28, 2011, 06:56:55 PM

Computer Systems Engineer
Mid-Level Documentation Specialist
Professional Services Engineer
Senior Automation Engineer
Technical Support Engineer

These are a bit vague but may relate to my job experience.  I'll not immediately assume the pay is "low" and ask if telecommuting is allowed.

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Reply #107 on: July 28, 2011, 06:58:46 PM

Actually, I forget there are people here who are more qualified to do things than to provide support. Here are all the positions:

Little more specifics on your company? Industry?

Are they relocating people for these or allowing some to telecommute? (Sales positions not withstanding).

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Reply #108 on: July 28, 2011, 07:10:42 PM

Switching thoughts quickly here, a friend of mine reviewed my resume and apparently a one-pager is not how it's done these days.  So I'll have to get to work adding buzzwords and listing out projects I led and some things I somehow forgot about, like DR experience.

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Reply #109 on: July 28, 2011, 07:14:33 PM

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
For me, that would be a raise. What's the longevity on the position? October might be the death knell for me here  Sad Panda
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Reply #110 on: July 28, 2011, 07:56:12 PM

Switching thoughts quickly here, a friend of mine reviewed my resume and apparently a one-pager is not how it's done these days.  So I'll have to get to work adding buzzwords and listing out projects I led and some things I somehow forgot about, like DR experience.
This annoyed me when job hunting, because if I was to stretch out my resume to include my college work experience programming and high school grocery clerk jobs, I could maybe hit 2 pages legitimately.  But no one cares about those BS jobs.  The "way resumes are done" keeps changing and it annoys me.
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Reply #111 on: July 28, 2011, 08:24:52 PM

The most important thing, I believe, is to understand people now search for keywords.  The challenge is in crafting a resume that doesn't read like a HTML keyword list.

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Reply #112 on: July 28, 2011, 08:37:14 PM

The most important thing, I believe, is to understand people now search for keywords.  The challenge is in crafting a resume that doesn't read like a HTML keyword list.
A key aspect of this is to make sure your job descriptions back up your skill list.  If you don't do that it looks like you are faking it.
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Reply #113 on: July 28, 2011, 11:49:17 PM

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
For me, that would be a raise. What's the longevity on the position? October might be the death knell for me here  Sad Panda
We're going to beta very soon and expect to be live by the end of the year at the latest. We have a five year post release plan, so I guess the longevity is anywhere from 'we crash and burn on launch' to 'money-hats for the next half decade'. We are self funded though, we aren't relying on publisher investment for a launch.

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Reply #114 on: July 29, 2011, 05:34:46 AM

Does it require being able to speak German?

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Reply #115 on: July 29, 2011, 05:42:47 AM

I'm thinking "Six Sigma" means it's a scam.

I'm six-sigma LEAN certified.  Unless you work on a production line it's largely a scam.  Anyway, it just means have a process, stick to it, measure it and adjust it as needed.

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Reply #116 on: July 29, 2011, 07:14:59 AM

Yes, it would make sense to actually post a link to the company:

http://ww2.sciencelogic.com/current-opportunities

We make a network monitoring platform called EM7, of course that is explained more in-depth on the site. Currently we do have remote employees, and a new office in Austin to boot. I'm not sure which positions are telecommuting and which are not, but the current concern seems to be getting the right person no matter where they are located.

As far as these:
Computer Systems Engineer
Mid-Level Documentation Specialist
Professional Services Engineer
Senior Automation Engineer
Technical Support Engineer

The computer systems engineer is new, I'm not sure what that position will actually be about. The documentation specialist writes docs, professional services engineer goes and installs the thing, senior automation engineer will work in qa, and technical support engineer supports the thing.

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Reply #117 on: July 29, 2011, 07:52:05 AM

How poorly does a Junior QA Tester pay?

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
It'd be a pay cut, but it's actually kind of tempting given my situation is still screwed up and I'm weighing various options.  How hard is it to get a long-term work visa and/or the German greencard equivalency?

Also my German is very rusty.  How quickly would I need to bring it up to fluency?

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #118 on: July 29, 2011, 09:10:22 AM


It'd be a pay cut, but it's actually kind of tempting given my situation is still screwed up and I'm weighing various options.  How hard is it to get a long-term work visa and/or the German greencard equivalency?

Also my German is very rusty.  How quickly would I need to bring it up to fluency?

Depends. The company would sponsor anyone it recruited from outside the EU and in my experience this process takes anything up to a couple of weeks. In my wife's case it took an afternoon although she had the advantage of being married to an EU citizen.

The company speaks English and all of our business is conducted in English. Having said that, this is rural Germany and the level of English spoken outside the company is patchy. You can get by with surprisingly little German for daily life - eating at restaurants and shopping mostly requires that you have a few stock phrases memorised rather than any level of fluency. There is a language school in town and the company periodically enrolls non-German staff on courses there.

In general the cost of living is low here, even compared to much of Europe. Your Euros will go a long way and converting USD into Euros doesn't really provide an accurate basis for comparison because your expenses beyond rent and utilities are practically zero. Most of the things you would be used to paying for separately are provided through your taxes (which will be much higher than you will likely be used to - 30k a year will translate into approximately 1900/month take home). Cars are optional and public transport is both ubiquitous and cheap.

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Reply #119 on: July 29, 2011, 09:14:20 AM

In general the cost of living is low here, even compared to much of Europe. Your Euros will go a long way and converting USD into Euros doesn't really provide an accurate basis for comparison because your expenses beyond rent and utilities are practically zero. Most of the things you would be used to paying for separately are provided through your taxes (which will be much higher than you will likely be used to - 30k a year will translate into approximately 1900/month take home). Cars are optional and public transport is both ubiquitous and cheap.

Can I apply to come live in your socialist commune paradise?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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In all seriousness, sounds like a heck of an opportunity for someone looking to get to the EU.
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Reply #120 on: July 29, 2011, 10:41:19 AM

Business in English makes my life easy.  I'd relearn German fast enough to get around.  Rural appeals to me.  I'm not too worried about expenses.  As long as rent, utilities, and food is reasonable I can make it fine.  My other costs aren't a lot.

Which town was it again?  I'd like to look up the area.

My main concern would be if I could handle being a QA tester.  My mind might break having to repetitively test the same thing over and over.  (Plus the scariness of considering a move overseas.)

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Reply #121 on: July 29, 2011, 11:16:31 AM

Fuck it, I am applying for a job in Germany!

Do you get a referral bonus, Iain?

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Reply #122 on: July 29, 2011, 11:18:50 AM

I say we have Iain judge a miniature painting contest for the position.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #123 on: July 29, 2011, 11:26:10 AM

Fuck it, I am applying for a job in Germany!

Do you get a referral bonus, Iain?

I do get a referral bonus as it happens so if you do apply, namecheck me (Iain Compton) and send me a note so that if people ask about you I can tell them that I sorta internet know you in some way. Bear in mind that I have no role in hiring and that the people who do have a role in hiring aren't going to ask me if my good friend xXx1337Satan666xXx is a good fit for the tester position, they're going to give me the name on your CV.

Lantyssa, the town is Villingen-Schwenningen and the office is in the Villingen part.

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Reply #124 on: July 29, 2011, 11:28:42 AM

I'm thinking "Six Sigma" means it's a scam.

I'm six-sigma LEAN certified.  Unless you work on a production line it's largely a scam.  Anyway, it just means have a process, stick to it, measure it and adjust it as needed.

9/10 times six-sigma and lean are just words.  If all you are doing is putting masking tape on a desk to show where a tool goes, you are probably doing it wrong.  If you are doing value-stream mapping and spaghetti maps and fully buying into it...You can make your operation pretty efficient. I've seen suppliers go from having a 4 month workflow for a product to several weeks. That being said, I wouldn't want to work at Toyota. You suddenly become a machine to be utilized.

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Reply #125 on: July 29, 2011, 02:41:30 PM

Pictures! Other people's and mine.

This reminds me that I should probably get a better camera before I move to Africa later this year.

Sure, there might not be a ton to see, but I'd like to have clear pictures of what there IS to see.

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Reply #126 on: August 01, 2011, 01:06:53 PM

Management decided to put the Sysadmin position I'm interviewing for up on Monster.com (via the local paper) - I've gotten 10 resumes in 4 days (with half not being local), as opposed to the craigslist ad I ran previously which got around 50 locals in the first day...

Monster.com was a cesspool the last time I used it (7-8 years ago), and their ad for phone reps there is getting no bites as well - does anyone still use it?

(edit : found out they used Careerbuilder, which is why half the applicants are non-local, gotcha)
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Reply #127 on: August 07, 2011, 04:50:51 AM

CWA/IBEW walked out of contract negotions and called a strike.

Good news - I get OT and lots and lots of hours!

No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Reply #128 on: August 07, 2011, 05:59:02 AM

I've had a lot of interest on CB and Monster after I updated my resume and uploaded it.  I read somewhere that you should upload it fairly often so it stays "on top" and gets more notice.

The second thing I did was to start my resume at the top with "I am trained in <keyword><keyword><keyword>, etc."  So it looks like a sentence but it's really just putting the keywords on top so the nice computer can find them quickly and tag me.

Of course it doesn't hurt that my field (Quality Engineer) seems to be an in-demand career currently.  Before I did this stuff I had NO contacts via CB and Monster.
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Reply #129 on: August 07, 2011, 06:22:09 AM

CWA/IBEW walked out of contract negotions and called a strike.

Good news - I get OT and lots and lots of hours!

Unfortunately for them, it happened on the same weekend as the S&P credit downgrade, so the strike got bumped off the front pages it looks like.

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Reply #130 on: August 08, 2011, 08:24:23 PM

Why do I get anxious over an interview for a job that I'm not 100% sold on?  Must be because I'm anxious, and I'm not used to dealing with people who don't know how awesome I am.  Now I have to figure out how to convince a hiring manager that I'm the shit.  Sigh.

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Reply #131 on: August 09, 2011, 10:05:48 AM

It might make it easier on you if you try to approach it from the other end of the spectrum and make them explain why it's worth your time to even be there interviewing, much less seriously considering the position.  I am of course giving advice I myself am incapable of doing, but hey, I know that confidence trick at least works.
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Reply #132 on: August 09, 2011, 10:42:30 AM

Actually a friend of mine who does highly paid consulting work does something similar to that.

He turns it into him interviewing them for his talents.  To see if their problem is actually worth his time/interest.

"What is the problem you want me to solve?" followed by, "Here is a first impression on how I will approach that problem and the resources I think I will need to accomplish my solution."

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Reply #133 on: August 09, 2011, 12:22:25 PM

I have a job interview in an hour or so to be Sky Jr. at one of the local libraries.

19 an hour for part time evenings and weekends....yeah I can dig that.

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Reply #134 on: August 09, 2011, 01:07:32 PM

Woohoo! Good luck.

Do they need a full time librarian or sysadmin?  Ohhhhh, I see. (Funding not at its most stable for libraries these days, despite record usage)

Politics aside, it's a great field to work in. One of those occupations where you can get immediate feedback from helping people.
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Reply #135 on: August 09, 2011, 01:15:38 PM

Woohoo! Good luck.

Do they need a full time librarian or sysadmin?  Ohhhhh, I see. (Funding not at its most stable for libraries these days, despite record usage)

Politics aside, it's a great field to work in. One of those occupations where you can get immediate feedback from helping people.

They had a full time position as a sys admin last fall paying 24 an hour. I didn't even get an interview for that one.

And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  sad They also hire librarian types quite regularly around here. Both Champaign and Urbana both are big on library funding (both have done major renovations/rebuilds of their buildings recently) and the University of Illinois has the largest public university library in North America. The biggest problem with jobs at the university is that the Civil Service postings are only open to Illinois residents.

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Reply #136 on: August 09, 2011, 06:59:37 PM

And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  sad

That shouldn't stop anyone from applying for a job. I know universities are bit more strict on that stuff, but everyone I know who is hiring is having a really hard time finding *good* candidates for the job openings they have. They usually end up with someone thats "ok and hopefully we can teach them what they need to know" but would rather have someone with some experience.

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Reply #137 on: August 09, 2011, 07:43:02 PM

Actually a friend of mine who does highly paid consulting work does something similar to that.

He turns it into him interviewing them for his talents.  To see if their problem is actually worth his time/interest.

"What is the problem you want me to solve?" followed by, "Here is a first impression on how I will approach that problem and the resources I think I will need to accomplish my solution."

Asking pertinent questions is an excellent way to display your skill set, plus it will give you a heads up as to how f'd up the organization is.
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Reply #138 on: August 09, 2011, 08:10:18 PM

And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  sad

That shouldn't stop anyone from applying for a job. I know universities are bit more strict on that stuff, but everyone I know who is hiring is having a really hard time finding *good* candidates for the job openings they have. They usually end up with someone thats "ok and hopefully we can teach them what they need to know" but would rather have someone with some experience.

Academic professional classification jobs (as this job was classified by the University) all require at least a 4 year degree. They cannot even interview you if you do not have one. It does not necessarily need to be in the field they ask for in the posting, but the HR rules are pretty strict on that. (Requiring a bachelors is pretty much the only way they could create positions for which hiring decisions are not driven by the Civil Service testing process).
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Reply #139 on: August 10, 2011, 06:53:23 AM

Without a degree, it's pretty bleak. Which is too bad, since I probably learned more applicable skills in the time some kids were getting a non-applicable degree with all Ds and beer kegs. Living on the road and working every job under the sun should count as an education :)
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