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Reply #3780 on: December 02, 2019, 09:25:23 AM

Alternately a job change within the same corp can do the same thing. Internal hires are usually less frictional than new hires.

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Reply #3781 on: December 03, 2019, 09:20:49 AM

Best thing to do when you want to know your worth is to do some market analysis. Glassdoor or other website aggregates can help you figure out a range for your role, as suggested. Usually that's a starting point, and they have tools for this.

The next thing is to do searches for other companies and what they are offering for your role. Then look at the role above yours and see the gap.

Armed with that information in a review, you can say: Currently I'm making $XXX, but I want to be making $YYY. I believe right now the market is $ZZZ, what can I do to start closing that gap and get my comp here to that level?

That puts things on the table that you've done your research and you want to move up, but you're not demanding more money for the same job (unless you believe you're wildly under market). Asking how you can improve to get paid more is a fair question. If they have no response for that, then you need to consider moving companies.

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Reply #3782 on: December 04, 2019, 04:29:41 AM

Well I've finally gotten an offer. It's not quite the areas I was looking at, it's a Project Management Office analyst position in a large IT consultancy so I'd basically be checking paperwork on these large projects. The company seems pretty good though and the feedback from the interviewers was that there's a lot of room for moving into other areas and fast track promotion programmes. Which is backed up by glassdoor reviews so seems promising. There are a couple of more senior roles I'm interviewing for but the companies seem a less promising and are more specialised so I think I've found a new job. I would certainly not recommend job hunting so I'm hoping it's as positive as it sounds.

I am a bit worried that the job is going to be horribly boring, the interview itself seemed very simple and the competency questions were nothing much but it's also being paid a pretty solid salary so I guess grin and bear it and hope that there's opportunities for something a bit more intellectually challenging soon?

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Reply #3783 on: December 04, 2019, 04:31:52 AM

Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately glassdoor doesn't have solid numbers in my area so that makes comparisons a bit hard.
I'll dig deeper to see alternatives and try to get a "pitch" together as Paelos suggested.

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Reply #3784 on: December 05, 2019, 01:02:11 AM

Well I've finally gotten an offer. It's not quite the areas I was looking at, it's a Project Management Office analyst position in a large IT consultancy so I'd basically be checking paperwork on these large projects. The company seems pretty good though and the feedback from the interviewers was that there's a lot of room for moving into other areas and fast track promotion programmes. Which is backed up by glassdoor reviews so seems promising. There are a couple of more senior roles I'm interviewing for but the companies seem a less promising and are more specialised so I think I've found a new job. I would certainly not recommend job hunting so I'm hoping it's as positive as it sounds.

I am a bit worried that the job is going to be horribly boring, the interview itself seemed very simple and the competency questions were nothing much but it's also being paid a pretty solid salary so I guess grin and bear it and hope that there's opportunities for something a bit more intellectually challenging soon?

If nothing else, sounds like a good thing to be able to put on your CV as recent experience, given your unusual job history.

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Reply #3785 on: December 12, 2019, 05:27:05 PM

I ended up taking a 6-9 month 1099 contract position, with the hopes my current job gets resurrected from the dead in that time frame.  Gonna miss working from home.
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Reply #3786 on: December 13, 2019, 09:25:25 AM

Sounds sub-optimal. Good luck.

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Reply #3787 on: December 13, 2019, 12:45:34 PM

I'm starting an 8-week contract position at my states Dept. of Archives and History for web work, which might turn into a full-time position (the full-time position doesn't start for 8 weeks). So I guess I'll get to see if I can be a state government employee now?

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Reply #3788 on: December 14, 2019, 05:54:34 AM

Hopefully good benefits?  Though this is the state of Mississippi we are talking about.

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Reply #3789 on: December 14, 2019, 10:30:21 AM

No, the regular employees actually have a really good health plan and an actual pension that is decent. I'm sure I'll get paid less than I was getting before but the benefits will make up for it (also - every state and federal holiday off). The only drawbacks are that I'll be considered IT so will have to do some support for users and museums around the state (though they provide a vehicle for that so I don't have to use my car).

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Reply #3790 on: December 16, 2019, 10:46:14 AM

If you were retired right now with a state pension and social security at full benefit, you'd likely be pulling in $45k before taxes or other investment income. That's very livable for anybody assuming they've paid off their house, which most retirees should have.

I'm a big fan of the government pension system as a way to secure retirement if you can make it through the inevitable soul crushing inefficiency and lower pay.

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Reply #3791 on: December 16, 2019, 12:51:29 PM

I did 10 years for the State of Texas, I do not regret the experience.   In 6 or 7 more years when my brain decays to the point of not being able to keep up in the private sector I will probably go back.  My 1099 contract starting in January is to help with the refresh of 2 state agency websites.
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Reply #3792 on: December 16, 2019, 01:33:14 PM

I'm a big fan of the government pension system as a way to secure retirement if you can make it through the inevitable soul crushing inefficiency and lower pay.
Find a spot where you can help people directly with as little management as possible. The pain of dealing with the public is more than offset (most days) by truly making a difference in the world.

I got lucky with the library because we back-doored into the state system via the city, even though we're not a muni. We just had our bennies through city hall for some reason nobody actually seems to know.

I'm 20 years vested in a couple months, house paid off without debt. Just need to figure out the medical insurance gap from age 60-65 and I'll gladly retire in ten years with a full 30 years of service at age 60. Boss is a math nerd and said we should come out ahead for the first couple years because of the drastic reduction in tax liability (first 40k isn't taxed), though I plan on deferring SS until 67 if I can manage.

Health insurance is the killer, though. Right now it's roughly $10k/year (I pay half while employed), with double-digit % increases annually. And even our platinum insurance is moving to co-insurance crap, where it had been entirely co-pay even two years ago. My current plan is to chuck money into a pile and if that pile can hit $60k in 10 years, I go out at 60 and consider the loss of the money pile as a gain in years of living free(ish).

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Reply #3793 on: December 17, 2019, 01:26:36 AM

You'll either be dead or have UHC by the time you're 60.

This isn't even something you should be concerned about.
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Reply #3794 on: December 17, 2019, 01:30:34 AM

Dead by WHAT is the key question though, the likely answers best left to the politics forum.

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Reply #3795 on: December 17, 2019, 08:06:41 AM

My suggestion would be to consider long term insurance now, it's good to have in case you end up with something that requires a shit-ton of money or in-patient long term care.

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Reply #3796 on: December 17, 2019, 12:35:33 PM

Stumbled on the most boring meetings I've ever endured: radar meteorologists discussing ... everything. Supposedly a sprint review and it is 1.5 hours long.

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Reply #3797 on: December 17, 2019, 10:58:57 PM

Hey that sounds interesting, can I get the GTM?

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Reply #3798 on: December 18, 2019, 07:28:47 AM

I have a meeting today with my former employers because they are now a vendor of mine.

Should be fun.
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Reply #3799 on: December 18, 2019, 10:19:14 AM

I have a meeting today with my former employers because they are now a vendor of mine.

Should be fun.

Did they suck as a company? If so, have fun!  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #3800 on: December 18, 2019, 10:36:27 AM

I have a meeting today with my former employers because they are now a vendor of mine.

Should be fun.

Did they suck as a company? If so, have fun!  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Decent tech, terrible senior management. People I'm meeting with are good people, but they weren't top decision makers.
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Reply #3801 on: December 18, 2019, 01:23:54 PM

Hey that sounds interesting, can I get the GTM?

Possibly but you are wrong. awesome, for real

Maybe another 4-6 months of these and I'll understand enough to stop my mind from wandering. It helps that there are plenty of pictures.

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Reply #3802 on: December 18, 2019, 01:25:21 PM

I have a meeting today with my former employers because they are now a vendor of mine.

Should be fun.

My former employer is a customer.

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Reply #3803 on: December 19, 2019, 12:51:18 PM

Tlmy one former boss didn't make due to having the the flu. The younger guy was there and he's a good guy. We just chatted about who has left and who has landed where. He's probably out of there in 8 months.
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Reply #3804 on: February 01, 2020, 11:36:37 AM

As of today (though I don't actually start until Monday), I now have a job - Business Systems Analyst for the state Dept. of Archives and History, which is the place I'd been doing contract work for the last month and a half. The job offers me only a few K less than I was making after the raise I had gotten at the old place but more than I was making before the raise. Which combined with the better healthcare and actual fucking pension (as opposed to a 401K), I think I'll end up making about the same take home. And I get all the state holidays off! Biggest downside is I'll only get paid once a month and I have to do IT work as well as my webmaster duties but I'm learning a whole shit load of things I had gotten too lazy to learn on my old job, such as Drupal (it's like Wordpress, only with more autism!).

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Reply #3805 on: February 01, 2020, 01:52:35 PM

Drupal still exists?  Maybe they can have you learn to make sites in Joomla! while they're at it.  why so serious?

Congrats on being a public leech employee! 

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Reply #3806 on: February 01, 2020, 01:55:21 PM

but I'm learning a whole shit load of things I had gotten too lazy to learn on my old job, such as Drupal (it's like Wordpress, only with more autism!).
My condolences.
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Reply #3807 on: February 01, 2020, 05:13:36 PM

Pensions are nice if you can stay in long enough to qualify for them.
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Reply #3808 on: February 01, 2020, 07:03:02 PM

Pensions are nice if you can stay in long enough to qualify for them.

And as long as they don't get stolen or terminated out of the blue.

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Reply #3809 on: February 01, 2020, 10:07:55 PM

Drupal still exists?  Maybe they can have you learn to make sites in Joomla! while they're at it.  why so serious?

Congrats on being a public leech employee! 

True story - before my old agency went to almost purely Wordpress, I was the shop's resident Joomla expert. I am considered a CMS guru and now I get my turn in the Drupal barrel. TBF, I can see why some folks would want to use Drupal - it's backend ability to compartmentalize content and reuse it is pretty cool.

But holy fuck, does it need someone who actually understand UI/UX on staff because it is a nightmare morass of 7 clicks where 1 should do.

Also, it only takes me 8 years to vest into the pension and seeing as how the job market is utter shit in this state and no one I applied to from out of state bothered to respond to my applications but Indian scam artists trying to wrangle me into frauds or insourcing contractor shit jobs, I'm likely to be there for the rest of my career unless I hit the recently instituted lottery.

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Reply #3810 on: February 03, 2020, 10:43:58 AM

State pensions are about as good as you can get, though it's highly dependent on the state, and..... Ohhhhh, I see.

If it wasn't for the pension, I'd have been forced to leave the library long ago to find matching IRA bennies.

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Reply #3811 on: February 04, 2020, 02:35:03 PM

I've actually started working at a proper company far too late in life. I am now a PMO analyst in an IT consultancy, which I feel overqualified and underexperienced for. Apparently they're very open to upskilling and being able to transfer into different roles but I really need to find out if I'm actually able to deal with the current role.

Downside is that individual projects and clients recruit so I'm back to filling out skills list on half a dozen different internal systems, filling out CVs and talking to people looking for positions. I am also doing internal certifications, which they don't seem to have for PMO so I'm doing project manager certifications and AWS stuff. Which is involving some amount of working from home as there's limited hot desking space in the nearest office to me (as it's the main UK HQ space). So I'm feeling a bit like I'm back where I was when job hunting but I'm getting a salary  awesome, for real

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Reply #3812 on: February 05, 2020, 09:00:37 AM

I can't imagine the hell of hot desking. People need to stop overthinking offices, it keeps getting dumber.

I was just reading the hot new thing is Brutalist Silence. At what point is it just designers trolling clients? https://www.dezeen.com/2020/02/04/brutalist-silence-co-working-office-interiors/

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Reply #3813 on: February 05, 2020, 02:12:07 PM

In early January I got my new certification, but when I went to negotiate a raise it didn't take; my boss is a nice dude who said he'd like to give me something but we've been slow for a while and the money isn't there. I told him I was going to start looking elsewhere and he understood; maybe if I get an offer in-hand he'll change his tune a little.

So, I'm job hunting online for the first time and it's awful. I've had to sign up for 5+ intermediary sites like Glassdoor, Indeed, LinkedIn, etc. just to submit resumes and applications. I put in for 7 different jobs, including three companies my current company does work for (and one direct competitor). I might drop off a resume in person at another direct competitor or two, too.

The downside of all this is that I have a 10 minute commute, while some of the places I applied to are 30m-1h away. The pay increase should be significant enough to justify it, but it's still going to be annoying.

Edit: Acronym overlap is making this extra fun. The cert I got is an AWS CWI - American Welding Society Certified Welding Inspector. I'm sure everyone here knows the other AWS I keep finding; in addition to that, apparently TD Bank has something called a CWI so I'm finding a ton of bank teller jobs. swamp poop
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Reply #3814 on: February 05, 2020, 02:18:35 PM

I was just reading the hot new thing is Brutalist Silence. At what point is it just designers trolling clients? https://www.dezeen.com/2020/02/04/brutalist-silence-co-working-office-interiors/

Awful.

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