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Reply #3850 on: March 06, 2020, 08:17:25 PM

the only reason I can think of not to interview is if doing so and then turning down an offer would burn bridges you want to keep open just in case

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Reply #3851 on: March 07, 2020, 10:27:50 AM

Someplace that decides you meet their hiring bar and then is going to get all bent out of shape and not consider you later because you hurt their fee-fees is not someplace you wanna work IMO.  Good people are hard to find and a smart company will be keeping track of you in hopes of luring you back at a later date, not putting you on an enemies list.

Just, you know, don't do the thing of accepting the offer and then just not showing up to work.  THAT will burn some bridges.   awesome, for real

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Reply #3852 on: March 09, 2020, 12:57:07 PM

the only reason I can think of not to interview is if doing so and then turning down an offer would burn bridges you want to keep open just in case


Well, I did end up canceling the interview. There was too much going on personally and professionally to adequately prepare for a coding interview. I am not in my day-to-day work someone that has to write code. This was a 50%+ coding/manual position for a SDET. I did not want to look like a goober and fuck up a ton. I dislike coding interviews in principle and this one likely had a higher level of competency expected. I just wouldn't have been in a state to do well on it. Plus, I wouldn't accept the position and the next step would be in person in an area of the country I don't want to travel to right now.  awesome, for real

On the other hand, I accepted the new position at work. I will basically have free reign to do whatever I want while getting to work with a lot of new tech I have not had any practical exposure to yet. Additionally, I can do some of what I would have been expected to do in that interview position. I'll likely be developing/adapting a brand new automation framework. So, this is as close to a win-win as I can get. Yeah, it's not a massive financial windfall, but I get to do what I want in a place where I want to live with exactly the same work/life balance I had before and in the process become vastly more marketable should I want/need to relocate.

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Reply #3853 on: March 10, 2020, 09:36:42 AM

I think a lot of people don't recognize work/life balance as something of value. I learned that lesson a few years ago.
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Reply #3854 on: March 10, 2020, 10:17:54 AM

I think a lot of people don't recognize work/life balance as something of value. I learned that lesson a few years ago.

I agree it has value and I look at job websites like Indeed and Glassdoor and see it as a marker for employers, but never see an agreed upon definition mainly because I think it means something different to everyone. Are we talking a strict 8 hour work day and that's it? Does responding to an email with a sentence or two reply count as work if it comes after 6pm? What about people without kids who might have more unhindered time after typical work hours? What about remote work and where is that delineation? I'm genuinely curious about this topic since I started looking for a job elsewhere and have seen this pop up more and more.

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Reply #3855 on: March 10, 2020, 12:05:51 PM

It's different for everyone, I agree. For example, ripping off an email after 6pm is gasp-worthy for some, but normal for a lot of people. Travelling overnight for 1 day is harsh for some, but run of the mill for others.


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Reply #3856 on: March 13, 2020, 12:50:32 PM

My work life balance is more about giving me something engaging to work on that I actually give a shit about and feel like it is making a difference.  That basically tics the "me time" box and then I only have to balance family and work.
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Reply #3857 on: April 22, 2020, 09:46:41 AM

Today I wrote job termination of everyone at my work place including my own. Fuck China.

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Reply #3858 on: April 22, 2020, 06:26:25 PM

Outsourced or Covid?  If Covid nature is more to blame, this curve ball was going to get thrown at us eventually wierd eating habits or not. Also, once the US is done with it's circus act no one will be criticizing China's response.
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Reply #3859 on: April 22, 2020, 11:09:49 PM

Outsourced or Covid?  If Covid nature is more to blame, this curve ball was going to get thrown at us eventually wierd eating habits or not. Also, once the US is done with it's circus act no one will be criticizing China's response.

99.99999% sure China is just letting people die now. Not that we'll find out for a year.
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Reply #3860 on: April 22, 2020, 11:20:34 PM

The CCP decided they can afford to lose a few million citizens but can’t afford a 7% decline in their GDP.  Much like Republicans in that regard.
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Reply #3861 on: April 22, 2020, 11:37:24 PM

Outsourced or Covid?  If Covid nature is more to blame, this curve ball was going to get thrown at us eventually wierd eating habits or not. Also, once the US is done with it's circus act no one will be criticizing China's response.
The place was already in financial trouble going into this whole mess. Our main competitor folded a month ago, now owners hope for a reconstruction to get it up and running in autumn.

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Reply #3862 on: April 23, 2020, 01:04:33 AM

Outsourced or Covid?  If Covid nature is more to blame, this curve ball was going to get thrown at us eventually wierd eating habits or not. Also, once the US is done with it's circus act no one will be criticizing China's response.
The place was already in financial trouble going into this whole mess. Our main competitor folded a month ago, now owners hope for a reconstruction to get it up and running in autumn.

What kind of industry?  Normally a competitor folding would be a boon, so I assume you are into something pretty directly impacted.

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Reply #3863 on: April 23, 2020, 03:32:02 AM

Outsourced or Covid?  If Covid nature is more to blame, this curve ball was going to get thrown at us eventually wierd eating habits or not. Also, once the US is done with it's circus act no one will be criticizing China's response.
The place was already in financial trouble going into this whole mess. Our main competitor folded a month ago, now owners hope for a reconstruction to get it up and running in autumn.

What kind of industry?  Normally a competitor folding would be a boon, so I assume you are into something pretty directly impacted.
Sports restaurant with nightclub. We were pretty much done the moment they shut down all sports. Last weekend we had a total of 100 food guests in a restaurant with 300 seats. Would have been better for us if they had forced us to close because then insurance steps in.
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Reply #3864 on: April 28, 2020, 07:47:51 PM

People need to stop putting two shades of green next to each other on bar charts. This presentation I'm attending is a goddamn visual nightmare.

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Reply #3865 on: August 15, 2020, 07:17:12 AM

Well after just about a year from the start of the application process, I finally have accepted an offer. Was just before Thanksgiving last year that I applied and started talking with HR about all the materials they needed. Began talks with the hiring manager just before Christmas and ran the interview gauntlet in January and first week of February. Then the world fell apart and the company pulled all the job listings including mine. This was as the department I was interviewing with was in the process of crafting their initial offer. Luckily the company allowed sites to refile the essential positions as long as the site provided justification for it. This was started in May and just passed all those hurdles August 1st. After a little salary negotiating, I signed the offer and started the intake items.  What a series of events...

Now the wife and I are packing up our place and trying to find a nicer apartment in Denver, since I will be working from home until at least Spring. Interestingly, the wife's job (software product owner) has gone completely WFH. One of the side effects of the pandemic was basically a forced test of the team's ability to be productive in a WFH capacity... which they have shown an actual increase by almost 15%. So her company is closing down the lease on the office space to save that money and converting everyone's position in her dept to 100% WFH - which is great that she can continue her job while we move and while she finds something in the new area.

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Reply #3866 on: August 15, 2020, 08:21:00 AM

2020 was going to be the forgotten year... who knew

I think I figured that out about the first week of March, which was about 1 1/2 weeks before my office closed up and most of us went WFH with only limited trips into the office allowed. Of course, we're now almost fully back open (though on staggered schedules for my department and with masks mandatory) despite my state being a literal hot spot with almost 100% ICU utilization.

Congrats on the job!

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Reply #3867 on: September 16, 2020, 04:44:06 PM

So 8 months into working for a large corporation, I've been brought in for my first 'we are going to be making a redundancy round' session. Interestingly I thought they'd blame it in Covid but apparently it's a conscious strategy of downsizing the UK presence to force greater usage of offshore resources and they're not pretending otherwise. They've divided people into job pools roughly structured around role / seniority and picked X number of you are going to be made redundant (I am relatively lucky to be in a 2 of 12 group). On the one hand I'm pretty sure I'm better at the job and have a lot more potential than at least half the group I'm in. On the other they don't have to pay redundancy as I've been there less than two years.

They haven't said that factors into it but I'm currently updating my resume and starting to look through LinkedIn and will start hunting in earnest soon. We find out the end of the month, if the worst happens I'm pretty happy it's shown me I'm pretty capable of working in a larger organisation than I'm used to and it's branched me into IT/tech work (and I've gotten a few cloud certifications out of it).

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Reply #3868 on: September 28, 2020, 03:43:38 PM

I just found out that I'm on loan to another program for 3 weeks.  Ohhhhh, I see.  Glad I wasn't curtesy asked; it's better to just know that I have no control.

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Reply #3869 on: October 23, 2020, 12:30:44 PM

And.. another new job. My project that I joined during quarantine has been put "on hold". Earliest chance it goes back live is 9 months, which probably means it's dead, although it would be odd to permanently kill something that was a corporate milestone only a month back.  Ohhhhh, I see.

Ohh well, at least I can say that I learned a lot. There might be an opportunity for me working with GPU driven AI setups.

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Reply #3870 on: October 23, 2020, 12:37:07 PM

You still working for the blue man?

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Reply #3871 on: October 23, 2020, 12:44:36 PM

Yep. I've considered several job opportunities outside of blueman group, but the benefits don't out weigh the personal freedom and flexibility I have here (all while making decent money). Plus there's no way I'm moving in a pandemic and half the nation is on fire.

On the bright side, they've handled COVID really well.

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Reply #3872 on: October 23, 2020, 12:57:13 PM

Yep. I've considered several job opportunities outside of blueman group, but the benefits don't out weigh the personal freedom and flexibility I have here (all while making decent money). Plus there's no way I'm moving in a pandemic and half the nation is on fire.

On the bright side, they've handled COVID really well.

Meh... moving during the pandemic wasn't entirely all bad. The actual moving part was pretty cut and dry and finding a new place is all virtual/electronically signed so that was pretty simple. I actually enjoyed not having to do any of it in person. Hell, the keys to my place were on the kitchen counter the day we got in with a few instructions left on a note pad about the building/grounds.

Actually starting a new job though, that has been a bit of a mess. No one in the office but me at times so no one to go chat with or ask questions. We use Teams which has made it easier, but still. WFH now in weeks 3 and it is going easier, but those first two weeks, I felt as though I was the sole emergency worker allowed into the building to do the paperwork.

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Reply #3873 on: November 13, 2020, 10:27:31 AM

And... another new job. Previous opportunity didn't make it out of budgeting. After that I was going to do a different product but apparently development yoinked me into something that I have no idea what it is, and where I'll be doing functional verification test (I don't do this). Yay?

Not super thrilled. I'll be going back to the situation where I have a functional manager separate from my actual manager. Matrix management is garbage.

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Reply #3874 on: November 13, 2020, 04:31:32 PM

Not super thrilled. I'll be going back to the situation where I have a functional manager separate from my actual manager. Matrix management is garbage.

I am just now experiencing this. I basically have an administrative manager for the office/corp stuff and a project manager for each project I am on.... along with the senior data specialist who is training me. It is bonkers how many folks I have to check in with. But hey, I am at least making more than at Pitt... and they pay more frequently. And the views from my WFH desk aren't too shabby either.


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Reply #3875 on: December 15, 2020, 04:01:07 PM

Haven't been posting much because taking a new job right before COVID and being in charge of the company not failing financially turned out to be...complex.

The good news is that we didn't fail and instead have actually grown by 30%. Also we hired back the people that were furloughed, and paid back the salary cuts we had to make mid-year.

It feels good to be in a company that does the right thing and actually looks out for the staff rather than my old job where the owner was trying to use the business as a personal bank.

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Reply #3876 on: December 29, 2020, 02:39:21 PM

to keep the company afloat during the worst part of the covid restrictions we are going to temporary close the restaurant with everyone but me being ending up without a job starting first of jamuary. The drop in november was huge and with more and more restrictions there were just no point being open so its either letting people go in january to save money or shutting down for good in march/april. The drop in revenue for december was 95%, the forecast for january and february was looking just as bad.

given everything that has happened during this year i am amazed the company still exists but its a shitty way to end 2020 with having to tell everyone that they will have to look for unemployment benefits at start of the year.
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Reply #3877 on: January 03, 2021, 09:04:24 AM

to keep the company afloat during the worst part of the covid restrictions we are going to temporary close the restaurant with everyone but me being ending up without a job starting first of jamuary. The drop in november was huge and with more and more restrictions there were just no point being open so its either letting people go in january to save money or shutting down for good in march/april. The drop in revenue for december was 95%, the forecast for january and february was looking just as bad.

given everything that has happened during this year i am amazed the company still exists but its a shitty way to end 2020 with having to tell everyone that they will have to look for unemployment benefits at start of the year.

There are several high quality restaurants in my area doing the same thing.  Without outdoor seating the  cash flow isn't there to stay open, so they are closing until "things get better"

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Reply #3878 on: January 17, 2021, 06:45:34 PM

Quite a few in my area have really managed to ramp up their take out game.  Still plenty of households out there with decent income and zero idea how to cook a good meal.
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Reply #3879 on: January 17, 2021, 08:31:24 PM

I love to cook and I've been cooking up a storm since March 2019 for my peeps but fuck there are nights where I would give a lot to have really good takeout within 15 minutes. There's great shit down in the city but I just do not want to hassle with a 30-minute each way thing to go pick up a dinner.
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Reply #3880 on: January 23, 2021, 03:32:23 PM

Hello all, I am in need of some reflective thoughts concerning my particular job situation.

My company is the largest telecommunication provider in my country, but it is a sinking ship. A former behemoth, which I fear is nearing a state of company collapse, due to cash cows products dying out. As a consequence there have been 3 rounds of layoffs in the last year.

Now the situation is this:  I was very much preparing to move on, after having devoted too much of myself to this enterprise, with little gain besides experience gained, and was close to reaching a learning plateau. But in connection to the latest "Organization adjustment" (AKA Going 100% Agile), they god damned promoted me to a leadership position (Project Owner). I won´t recieve any more pay (due to the economic situation), but responsibility is now fully on my shoulders, and more work is placed on my lap as I keep my old tasks, and take on the leadership tasks, and the tasks of a colleague who got fired. There are many dangers here.

I am torn, between staying or leaving?

Should I stay and keep fighting a loosing battle, but absorb the experience while it lasts, and then maybe start seaching in a year´s time when we have completed two large, interesting projects? The first project is a Machine learning and AI datawarehouse project for the purpose of applying advanced customer analytics/predictives methods, while the second is a project concerning the introduction of advanced forecast methods and capacity planning based upon a related datawarehouse. Exciting projects indeed with great learning possibilities. But while the leadership is currently very comitted to these projects, the priorities and strategies changes often. Another sign of the increasingly company fragility.

I also very much want to stay on and fight for my colleagues who have put their trust in me.

But how damaging is it for one´s carreer to go down with the ship, or being layed off in a year´s time, if they cancel the two major projects?

And why are they promoting me? The old leader is still here, but taking a step to the side in the hierarchy. Is it a cheap ploy to keep me on, because they have seen the signs of me contemplating departure, without added pay increase, or because they need a fall guy for these two projects?

What would you guys do?

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Reply #3881 on: January 23, 2021, 06:26:42 PM

Congrats!  If you are a product owner (in Agile it's product owner not project owner, even though they are probably Agilefall and you really are a Project Manager), that's fantastic!  First think you do is update your resume and your Linkedin Profile.  (Linked in is still pretty much required).   Start looking for a new job if you are sure the company is going down the drain because you are about to get hammered with an impossible project that won't have enough resources to be successful.

On the other hand, if you think you are going to hang around a bit, get signed up for some Agile training.  Even though Agile isn't really practiced anyway anymore (pure agile doesn't really work because every project has a fixed budget and a fixed deadline) but everyone pretends they are agile so it's a good thing to have.

At any rate, don't worry about looking for jobs outside the company.  "I"m looking to broaden my experience" is totally normal these days.

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Reply #3882 on: January 23, 2021, 07:10:36 PM

I am torn, between staying or leaving?

Get the actual fuck out as soon as you find something better. Corporations have no institutional loyalty and your team is going to get laid off with you or after you. They are giving you more responsibilities but no more pay, which means you can expect to never get a raise again. They are squeezing you for every single drop they can get and when you are no longer as useful or profitable, they will discard you literally overnight. Do not let the people you work with be a factor in your decision, because as good as they are, they don't pay your rent and they don't put food on your table. They will and should have the same mentality you do because again, corporations have no interest in loyalty to their workers anymore. Unless there's a pension involved, go find the bigger better deal and keep looking for it even when you get to that job because again, corporations will not be loyal to you.

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Reply #3883 on: January 24, 2021, 01:27:41 AM

Sorry in advance for sirbrucing this but I really feel the need to just call out each red flag as I see it.

My company is the largest telecommunication provider in my country, but it is a sinking ship.

get out

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cash cows products dying out.

yup, get out

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3 rounds of layoffs in the last year.

GET OUT

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close to reaching a learning plateau.

also get out

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they god damned promoted me to a leadership position (Project Owner).

Oh well if you'll be making a lot more money that might be worth sticking around until you find something comparable...

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I won´t recieve any more pay

oh never mind, get out

Okay seriously now, this is the thing most worth paying attention to:

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Exciting projects indeed with great learning possibilities. But while the leadership is currently very comitted to these projects, the priorities and strategies changes often. Another sign of the increasingly company fragility.

Yeah, follow that instinct.  As a company contracts it gets erratic and desperate, and the odds are very good that the exciting project you're on now will (a) become a living nightmare as its headcount is reduced and all the extra work is dumped on your lap (b) never actually ship at all, despite you having completely burned yourself out on it.

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I also very much want to stay on and fight for my colleagues who have put their trust in me.

Yeah, that feeling of loyalty is how the company gets its hooks into you.  Resist.  You have to put your own oxygen mask on first.  If you want to help your colleagues, go find a great job somewhere else, and then poach them.

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But how damaging is it for one´s carreer to go down with the ship, or being layed off in a year´s time, if they cancel the two major projects?

It's not like it's the kiss of death, but there's an opportunity cost -- if you spend a year doing something that's ultimately worthless, that's a year you could have been spending learning new skills and establishing a career at a company that's not dying.

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And why are they promoting me? The old leader is still here, but taking a step to the side in the hierarchy. Is it a cheap ploy to keep me on, because they have seen the signs of me contemplating departure, without added pay increase, or because they need a fall guy for these two projects?

Yes, both of those.

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What would you guys do?

GTFO.  Update your resume (include your shiny new title), start actively looking for a better job, and once you find one, take it.

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Reply #3884 on: January 24, 2021, 08:37:38 AM

A promotion without a raise is just them honeydicking you. Polish up your resume with that fancy new title and start looking for jobs ASAP.

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