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Reply #700 on: August 30, 2012, 07:19:24 AM

I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  Ohhhhh, I see.
I really can't imagine this is even a tiny bit hard. "Congratulations fuckbag, you can never come back." It's not like you would ever have to spend years of your life with this person.

That aside, I don't think I'd ever have an issue with firing someone unless there was truly no good reason other than folks up top pinching pennies.

But then, Schadenfreude is a powerful drug.
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Reply #701 on: August 30, 2012, 09:55:14 AM

I've only ever had to fire someone because they were being a useless pile of shit, i.e. missing work without calling in, being late all the time, being verbally abusive to patients, etc.  I have no problem firing someone in that case.  And the sad thing is, that with all the documentation that I do, if someone gets fired by me they really, really deserve it and should have seen it coming.  There's plenty if time to alter behavior.  I've never had to fire someone because I didn't need them or couldn't pay them, so I imagine that is difficult, emotionally.
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Reply #702 on: August 30, 2012, 03:56:47 PM

I had the joy of laying people off people that I worked with for almost a decade for the only reason that office was being closed due to those positions moving elsewhere.  I still had a job in the same location due to me being a sysadmin / manager.  Shortly after that was when I found a different job. 

As far as banning the person from the country if it was some of the shitstains I have worked with over the years i would probably be incredibly happy :).  Usually the way karma works with me though it would be one of the nicest people in the world with several small children who was supporting his cancer ridden mother or some such thing.
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Reply #703 on: August 30, 2012, 05:47:46 PM

The shitstains are the ones with staying power.  I can think of people I would love to fire.

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Reply #704 on: August 31, 2012, 02:43:06 AM

God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #705 on: August 31, 2012, 05:30:51 AM

God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   Ohhhhh, I see.

Turnabout's fair play when you're trying to run my company into the ground by doing nothing more than suckling the teat of a very large, very successful company.

I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.

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Reply #706 on: August 31, 2012, 05:32:23 AM

So, second interview went well.  Presentation killed and tests came back saying I was awesome, except in the area of spatial recognition, which dipped to 38%.

In fairness, I did the tests at 10 at night after a nip or six.

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Reply #707 on: August 31, 2012, 06:46:11 AM

I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.
When I was a manager at wellymart, I never fired anyone. Even the laziest shittiest guy on my crew could do just about any other job in the store. And if they're borderline retarded but pleasant; people greeter. If not, cart pusher.

But at the library, I'm all about your first sentence. We've had to endure a lot of financial shit the past seven years and the core team is really awesome and doing better than this place has seen since the 50s. It's pretty amazing to be part of. But there are still a faction of people who haven't realized we've locked the ivory tower and the gravy train left town years ago. It's kind of sad, really, because we're a family here.

The weird part is all the people who were rebels ten years ago are the establishment now; and the folks who were the establishment are the rebels. That's what happens when the lead rabble-rouser gets the directorship, eh? The part the old guard doesn't get is that we'd have been closed for six years now if it wasn't for her. Ah, well.
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Reply #708 on: August 31, 2012, 06:50:22 AM

God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   Ohhhhh, I see.

Turnabout's fair play when you're trying to run my company into the ground by doing nothing more than suckling the teat of a very large, very successful company.

I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.

You said teat.  lol.

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Reply #709 on: August 31, 2012, 10:10:10 AM

I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  Ohhhhh, I see.
I really can't imagine this is even a tiny bit hard. "Congratulations fuckbag, you can never come back." It's not like you would ever have to spend years of your life with this person.

That aside, I don't think I'd ever have an issue with firing someone unless there was truly no good reason other than folks up top pinching pennies.

In a certain sense, it's not - in this instance, all the people committed fraud (misrepresentation). However, it can sometimes be tough it be civil about it, and keep a straight face, especially as people argue or plead or misunderstand or whathaveyou. It definitely gets easier over time, though in this instance I had to do it to about 20 people in a row (cleared a bunch of cases)...20 people who thought they were actually moving to the US since someone scheduled immigrant visa passback immediately before BanHammer Time. Whoops.

Though honestly, the first time I had to not only ban a person and refuse their immigrant visa, but also cancel their current student visa...that was kind of tough.

Also:
 
But then, Schadenfreude is a powerful drug.

This.

I had to fire someone too; an ~8 year employee. Basically, none of my predecessors either could pick up on her nonsense or (more recently) just didn't want to do the paperwork. Luckily I only did the paperwork; I just sat idly by while HR did the firing...and security escorted her out.  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #710 on: September 05, 2012, 09:51:12 AM

No call back from the place last week.  Interviewing with 3 people (HR, CIO, COO) for a different position later today.

...pondering taking "IT Director" off my resume, despite having done the job - especially when applying for System/Network admin spots.  Seems to intimidate people, and they give me 20 questions as to why I'm wanting to downshift.  Almost have that speech down pat.

Also amused that the job that requires "10 years of (giant list of tech) experience in a company with over 25,000 employees" has been reposted daily for pushing two months now.   why so serious?

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Reply #711 on: September 05, 2012, 10:33:36 AM


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Reply #712 on: September 05, 2012, 10:38:04 AM

Might be good for the former Paragon guys and gals.

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Reply #713 on: September 05, 2012, 10:42:57 AM

Other than apache and jquery I wonder what else is in their web stack.
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Reply #714 on: September 05, 2012, 01:35:28 PM

...pondering taking "IT Director" off my resume, despite having done the job

I'm told that it is a good idea to tailor resumes to job postings.  I'm lazy though.

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Reply #715 on: September 05, 2012, 02:37:49 PM

I tailored my resume for one job (and the cover letter) then I got lazy and used it and a slightly changed letter (just changed the date, to address and job title applying for) for 8 other jobs.

Got an interview for all 8 and was offered 2 of the jobs.  ACK!

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Reply #716 on: September 05, 2012, 02:48:17 PM

Might be good for the former Paragon guys and gals.

Paragon is/was actually here in Mt. View.

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Reply #717 on: September 07, 2012, 12:36:19 PM

WHARGARRRBLLL for phone interviews that happen an hour earlier than scheduled...  AND start by drilling you on tech acronyms and security protocol negotiation (IPSec, SSL, PGP, etc.) specifics.   swamp poop

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Reply #718 on: September 07, 2012, 01:07:40 PM

Did they ask about TPS reports?
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Reply #719 on: September 07, 2012, 01:35:01 PM

No - but one of the clients visiting my last job, upon seeing my "office," asked the president if he'd at least give me a red stapler to go with my basement corner...   why so serious?

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Reply #720 on: September 13, 2012, 06:12:21 AM

I had a job interview today. It seemed to go ok. Hopefully I get the job!
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Reply #721 on: September 13, 2012, 06:22:11 AM

Good luck!

The husband has finally, FINALLY gotten the final clue that the bank he's now working for are just crap with some of their policies (seriously, running a branch with 4 people total, including the manager?  When is anyone supposed to be able to take a break when only 2 people are scheduled for a day?) and he's met with a recruiter he's worked with in the past.  Which is great, but here's a question - what fields would someone be able to switch to if they've worked in banking for 23 years, the last 15-ish in branch management?  He's feeling a bit pigeon-holed even though he loves community banking overall.

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Reply #722 on: September 13, 2012, 06:52:09 AM

Couldn't he just find a position at a community bank run by competent people?  It may require a relocation, but seems entirely possible if he enjoys the industry.

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Reply #723 on: September 13, 2012, 07:21:32 AM

Relocation is not an option and he's been in banking for 23 years - he's basically getting priced out of the position he's in now and was slated to move up to a district/regional manager role before the financial sector melted down and put the kabosh on that.  And smaller, more personal community banks are becoming rare, sadly, especially in the Chicago area.

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Reply #724 on: September 13, 2012, 07:21:56 AM

If he's done branch management, he might could consider a move into lending operations/management (home/auto/etc.) - I believe there's a few based in your neck of the woods.  Or collections, if he's a total masochist.   why so serious?

On my job front, a new twist has appeared.  I had a first interview with a third place on Monday, wherein I knocked many socks off.  They contacted me yesterday afternoon to start the background check process.  Then this morning, surprise quiz place from last week rang to indicate that they had finished locating their socks, and to be sure I was available for a second interview in the next couple of days.

...so I might have to decide between two (VERY different) positions in the near future.  In the interim, I believe I shall enjoy the remaining Slack prior to getting back into the work groove.

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Reply #725 on: September 13, 2012, 07:36:57 AM

He's not into self-abuse, thankfully. 

And congrats on the multi job possibilities!  That's always a nice situation to be in.

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Reply #726 on: September 13, 2012, 10:26:16 AM

If anyone is looking for a job in West Coast Canada or willing to relocate, check out my company: http://savanna.appone.com/

Few position open in our head office, awesome company to work for and you get a day off for the Stampede with free drink tickets.
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Reply #727 on: September 13, 2012, 10:31:40 AM

Good luck!

The husband has finally, FINALLY gotten the final clue that the bank he's now working for are just crap with some of their policies (seriously, running a branch with 4 people total, including the manager?  When is anyone supposed to be able to take a break when only 2 people are scheduled for a day?) and he's met with a recruiter he's worked with in the past.  Which is great, but here's a question - what fields would someone be able to switch to if they've worked in banking for 23 years, the last 15-ish in branch management?  He's feeling a bit pigeon-holed even though he loves community banking overall.
Any good credit unions in your area? He might also be able to transfer over to the financial management sector (Fidelity, etc.).
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Reply #728 on: September 19, 2012, 02:59:03 PM

Tentative Agreement with Verizon CWA East has been signed.  Not sure how to convey how big this is to thousands of people (both workers and management).

Unions representing 45,000 Verizon workers announced tentative new contracts on Wednesday that call for an 8 percent pay raise over four years while requiring workers to pay more for health coverage.

Fair tradeoffs from both sides.  I can't share details, but ya'll got the google.

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Reply #729 on: September 19, 2012, 03:46:23 PM

Hour plus of second interviews with firm #3 today.  Firm #2 is background checking me, I'd be surprised if I make second round interviews at firm #1.

Firm #4 contacted me out of the blue today about a manager position, still debating that one.

...would enjoy being employed by the end of the month, so I have (more) spending cash for Ren Faire.   awesome, for real

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Reply #730 on: September 19, 2012, 06:00:26 PM

So I didn't get the job. But my (better qualified) friend did. I guess that's half a win!
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Reply #731 on: September 19, 2012, 08:41:54 PM

So I didn't get the job. But my (better qualified) friend did. I guess that's half a win!

Yay?  I'm sure he/she will tell you it sucks and you dodged a bullet in 4 weeks tops.

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Reply #732 on: October 02, 2012, 02:42:31 PM

So within 15 minutes of each other, I get contacted by one of my top 2 prospects for a second interview, and by the other top prospect with an offer.

(puts on thinking cap and starts musing)

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Reply #733 on: October 02, 2012, 04:49:42 PM

So within 15 minutes of each other, I get contacted by one of my top 2 prospects for a second interview, and by the other top prospect with an offer.

(puts on thinking cap and starts musing)

Fun position to be in, ain't it?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #734 on: October 02, 2012, 05:02:30 PM

Very awesome!
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