Eve Online - Fly and Die with F13's own Bat Country In Eve Online [recruitment]

[Phildo]

Also, if anyone is looking to sub for the first time, PM me and I'll send you a buddy invite that will extend the trial period a bit.

[WindupAtheist]

I haven't followed the f13 Eve drama in ages. Didn't goons get disbanded and reformed and threw f13 out or something a while back?

[Phildo]

Sort of.  Our old corporation, LOVEU, was removed when the alliance was reforming in Syndicate due to a combination of old drama and misinformation.  I don't want to get into too much detail right here, but we've kissed and made up since then and the only drama the corp is currently experiencing is over what to call the outpost we just took over.

[palmer_eldritch]

The Goonswarm CEO said he'd got f13 confused with another forum with a name beginning with "f" (this is true) and once he realised the mistake he invited us to rejoin the gang.

[Comstar]

1) is there a free trial / welcome back program for previous subs?   - Err Don't know. A current member can get you keys that last 21 days instead of 14.

2) how much ISK can I get now for an in-game time card?  Going back with many millions would be best. - 600 million or so. I bought one 2 months ago and still have all the ships and gear I started with, and I'm only down 50mil isk. The 100% reimbursements help a lot.

3) Goon forum.  I bought an SA forum membership and signed up for Goon Wiki but never got a reply.  Should I register again or ping them (again)? - You don't need to go through or have SA membership - you have F13 membership to get into Bat Country instead. We are a corp inside the Goonswarm Federation alliance. SA members join the Goonwaffe corp. Once a member of Bat Country, you get full access to the Goonswarm Federation forums and wiki.

4) Where are you guys?  I really would want to make sure I could be within a few minutes (ie. 5-10mins!) of travel time for any fun corp stuff.  - We are in Delekin, about 15 jumps from Jita to the 0.0 entrance at EC-. Do NOT attempt it till your in the corp, it is often camped and the route is dangerous first. Move your stuff to Jita before you join if possible. Once in the corp, Goonswarm members will haul it for you to our region for 50isk per 1m2 (this is very cheap). We have wardecs up right now last time I checked, so don't go to Jita AFTER you join. We have a station with an office in Delekin for you to pod jump to as well. Our home station which we own is S-D, but the Goonswarm Federation is currently N-T. It will shortly be moving to VFK. VFK is 4 jumps from S-D, so it's going to be pretty painless to live in S-D and travel to VFK for ops.

5) What's the best way to move down to where the corp works?  Shuttle AFK (frequent podding) and make Jump Clones along the way for safety?  Or is there another way to fix your clone/rez point?  - Move you gear to Jita. Make sure none of it is in containers or is damaged. Join the corp, and pod yourself to our office in S-D. Then get goonswarm haulers to move it for you as a courour contract from Jita to N-T.  Do NOT get anyone to move out who is not in Goonswarm, and don't do it until you can arrange it with them via the Goonswarm Forums first - otherwise you WILL lose it to scams.

[Endie]

Because our newbie drive and that of Goonwaffe started on the same day, you get to enjoy the efforts of the whole alliance in helping out newbies.

Thus, there is a newbie training op this weekend.  I'm not going to say when, where etc on an open forum, because there are people who would love to crash it, but this will get you up to speed on PvP and will then lead you out to shoot stuff in a huge, unruly gang.

Edit: actually the newbie ops start as soon as tomorrow, Thursday.  When you join up, register for our forums and check out this link: https://bat.enqack.net/index.php?topic=86.0

If you cannot get your API in time to register, just ask in corp chat about how to get ships, where to go and how to get there.  PvP is the best thing in Eve by a million miles, and if you start you will want much more of it.

[koro]

Alright, screw trying to retrieve my old account. What do I have to do to get in on the extended trial thing?

It's been so long since I've played EVE that I remember absolutely nothing about it; I'll be going into it as essentially a

[Phildo]

I believe the extended trial is for new accounts only, I'm not sure how to make it work for resubs.

[koro]

I would be creating a new account. My old account was crap anyway.

[01101010]

Now I can't come back to this thread...ever.  

Off next week to pack and move to the land of the insane, South Carolina. I can't be playing this....

damn it

[koro]

Now I can't come back to this thread...ever.  

Off next week to pack and move to the land of the insane, South Carolina. I can't be playing this....

damn it

At least it's starting to cool off here a bit! Just try to ignore anyone who looks to be over the age of 50.

[Gets]

Anyone creating a new account, for whatever reason, is recommended to PM the people who have offered to give them the extended buddy trial. This will give you the longer 21-day trial and once you subscribe, for whatever reason, the person who sent you your buddy invite also gets a free month, to which I will personally give 100mil ISK in return if you use one my invites. So that's a week extra and enough money to fly a hundred frigates into a wall.

The "F13" in-game channel is where you can talk to some of us and ask questions and solve problems.

You can apply to join Bat Country from any station simply by looking up the corp info and pressing a button.

Do not fly into 0.0 unless you have been accepted to the corp. You will die in an explosion.

But don't stick around in Empire once you are. It's more dangerous and none of your friends are here.

Sell or ask about shipping your shit.

Set your medical clone to one of our null-sec offices and self-destruct your pod. Update your medical clone always after doing this.

Yo dawg, you a bat now.

From here your future success story depends on how much effort or creativity you can spare.

[Ginaz]

Hmmm.  Very tempting.  I played EVE for about 6 months last year and enjoyed it.  The corp and alliance I belonged had a lot of great people in it but it was very small so engaging in any kind of large scale pvp was hard to do.  I got bored after awhile ( I even joined a pirate corp to see if that would spark my interest) and quit.  I had 2 accounts.  One I was able to fly AF(Minny) and had most of the skills needed to fly a BC effectivley and the other account I was able to fly interceptors (Gallente).  Tempting.

[koro]

Is it still possible to really gimp yourself during chargen? I remember having to reroll once very early on when I last played due to fucking up my starting stats to the point where it'd take weeks of training to fix.

[Morfiend]

Is it still possible to really gimp yourself during chargen? I remember having to reroll once very early on when I last played due to fucking up my starting stats to the point where it'd take weeks of training to fix.

They seem to have gotten rid of all that now. Basically you start with pretty even stats, and then you get double time training for your first 1.5m Skill Points. I found this out last night.

[Kageru]

I'm in as well, just moving my stuff around and deciding whether to try running low-sec or pod-jumping. Thankfully there's a certain synergy between the two.

Koro: As a noobie you get two free stat respecs. So you can't gimp yourself in the character generator... but the advice of making sure you can stand your avatar picture is still a good one.

There was a existing account 5-day re-activation linked in one of the SA threads and somewhere in our Eve forum. It was part of a special offer but apparently still works fine.

[Soln]

just found it: https://secure.eveonline.com/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2freactivate707.aspx%3fid%3dreactivate5daysfree&id=reactivate5daysfree

ended 8/12 though

[Gets]

He means the offer link before the last offer: https://secure.eveonline.com/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=/reactivate707.aspx

Supposedly it works for unsubbed full accounts. Worth a try :ccp:

[Phildo]

Koro, I sent a buddy invite to the e-mail address in your profile.

[Soln]

1) "pod yourself to our office in S-D"  So once you join you can choose to revive at a Corp office?  Even if you've never been to that station?

2) how well can newbs/lowbies survive in PvP?  I've been reading these links but I keep remembering AOE/ROOT (warp scramblers) and other insta gibbing that just didn't make it realistic to PvP until you had a BC or better.  I realize there's the whole tackling thing, but is that real?  Has the game been balanced to help people in low skill ships because my experience was brief.

[Gets]

1) Yes, you can set your medical clone to your current medical or anywhere your corp has an office.

2) I have flown a Rifter in intense combat, warped out as soon as they've tried to swap me, repaired up and warped back in until the fight was over. It's a mixture of experience, skillpoints and ability to keep cool. I only have one of those.

[Comstar]

1) "pod yourself to our office in S-D"  So once you join you can choose to revive at a Corp office?  Even if you've never been to that station?

Join Corp. Then in a station with cloaning, move your clone - S-D will now be in the list. Set that. Then either a)traval through 0.0 till you blow up (take a shuttle) or b) pod your self. Either way you wake up in S-D. RESET your clone in the station.

2) how well can newbs/lowbies survive in PvP?  I've been reading these links but I keep remembering AOE/ROOT (warp scramblers) and other insta gibbing that just didn't make it realistic to PvP until you had a BC or better.  I realize there's the whole tackling thing, but is that real?  Has the game been balanced to help people in low skill ships because my experience was brief.

The hard truth is, you need to experience combat to survive it. While doing so, you will die. But that's ok, it costs you very little to die when you're new. And a 5 year old character will die just as quickly (in fact, once you get into interceptors, you can die REALLY quickly). Once you high speed, small target, high agility Frigate gets close enough to the enemy, you can orbit it as a speed faster than his turrets can revolve. Once there, he is doomed.

However, big ships have many ways still to kill little ships. He can kill your speed. He can take your energy. He can deploy drones (very small, AI controlled fighters) that can catch you. But if he's doing that, the REST of you fleet is killing him. And because he will care more about his clone costs, his implants, his faction mods and his K/D Ratio, and you don't, he will inevitably panic and warp out.


..And that's when that 5 year old 50 million skill point 10 billion isk player discovers....he's been trapped by someone like YOU. And there IS no escape and he's 500 million isk tech 3 Strategic Cruiser, is dead to a 250K Rifter with a 10k scrambler and pilot who is out to ruin his day.

Which is why we say this:





You could say, bah, that's just goonswarm propaganda. But rembember this story. One day Goonswarm was fighting IRC. The Goonswarm fleet was camping a station and nothing much was happening. Suddenly, the IRC CEO warped into the station..in a covert op frigate...with his cloak turned off...and no Micro-warp Drive.

The IRC CEO *did* have a cloak fitted, and wisely cloaked his ship up when he saw the hostile Goonswarm ships.

...Unfortunately he simply headed towards the station at slow cloaking speeds. And got decloaked by a guy in a Drake and another guy in a Battleship. Before he could escape, some newbee tackled him with their tech 1 warp disrupter*. And it turns out the IRC CEO was carrying the entire Tech I and Tech II BPO collection of his alliance.  Whelp. IRC surrendered the next week.


Then of course, the First Ever Titan Killed in Ship To Ship Combat, was Shrike. And he died when a Tech II frigate Interceptor, decloaked him. Shrike lost his 4th Titan when a Heavy Interdictor warped to the wrong moon, at the right time.

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* I may be stretching the truth here, as I actually think he got trapped in a warp bubble. But he DID get decloaked by a Drake.

[koro]

Koro, I sent a buddy invite to the e-mail address in your profile.

Gets nabbed me earlier, but thanks!

[Phildo]

That killmail I linked earlier had me in a very fancy, advanced frigate.  However, the same thing could have been accomplished in a newbie t1 frigate.

[koro]

Also, I thought the game plopped you into a tutorial. It simply dumped me into a starbase with no tutorial prompts. What gives?

Edit: Nevermind, figured it out.

[Gets]

Press F12.

[Ozzu]

I think I'm going to take you guys up on this offer. 

[rk47]

Hmmm LOTRO trial expires in 2 days. F2P on 10th Sep.
I've got lots of free time...but..it seemed so..alien.

How complex is it? Can I just press buttons and watch things die? Do I repair (heal) myself in space? Can I be a repair bot? Is it harder to than healbotting in WoW?

[Slayerik]

Everyone loves a logistics pilot (heal bot).

The game is quite complex, the actual gameplay...not too bad.

[rk47]

OK will PM when ready. Let me just scratch my MMO itch with LOTRO a while longer  while I download the client.

[01101010]

Everyone loves a logistics pilot (heal bot).

The game is quite complex, the actual gameplay...not too bad.

Coming from the outside of only heard about this game in passing, when I check out the vids and screens and see how much shit there is on your screen, I check to see if I have enough stimulants to keep up with all that info. That's the intimidating part...there is a huge amount of stuff on the screen which I assume you have to keep track of and I don't believe I'd be able to handle it all. 

And I can say I do like being a heal whore...especially when it comes to large scale stuff.

god damn it I just realized clicked on this thread again...

[koro]

Everyone loves a logistics pilot (heal bot).

The game is quite complex, the actual gameplay...not too bad.

Coming from the outside of only heard about this game in passing, when I check out the vids and screens and see how much shit there is on your screen, I check to see if I have enough stimulants to keep up with all that info. That's the intimidating part...there is a huge amount of stuff on the screen which I assume you have to keep track of and I don't believe I'd be able to handle it all. 

And I can say I do like being a heal whore...especially when it comes to large scale stuff.

god damn it I just realized clicked on this thread again...

I'll say this as someone who's just come back to EVE from years of absence: the combat's not bad. Early on you mainly just hit "Orbit at xxx metres" and fire away, but there is a lot to keep track of, and even against NPCs there can be some tension involved when you notice that that one guy you were shooting at now has six reinforcements and they're all eating your shields for lunch.

It can be incredibly boring if you let it be.

[Soln]

apologies, another question

I remember it was bad grind trying to raise reputation with NPCs (Agents).  Do you even need to bother with NPC missions? 

There was never any kind of questlog/Epic-quest like chain I remember to help you through a Tier or some unique skill.  I never understood then why NPCs existed if everything can be made by other players and bought off the market.  True?

[Phildo]

Some specific ships and modules can only be obtained off of NPCs.  They mods are more powerful than the regular versions that are made by players, and the ships are often very powerful as well.  However, there are other ways to obtain them and most of us don't bother with running missions.  There are also skills that will help you raise your standings faster if someone really had their heart set on missioning.

[Comstar]

I remember it was bad grind trying to raise reputation with NPCs (Agents).  Do you even need to bother with NPC missions? 

There was never any kind of questlog/Epic-quest like chain I remember to help you through a Tier or some unique skill.  I never understood then why NPCs existed if everything can be made by other players and bought off the market.  True?

If you live in 0.0, no. Ratting and doing Encounters will make you far more money, unless you want an Alt in empire doing level 4 missions in a Raven or faction battleship.

There is a newbie "epic" quest that takes 50 missions and is not epic. It is boring, shows you nothing you won't see every time you jump into another system, gives crappy rewards compared to 0.0 and ends with a fight you cannot win unless you flying a Battlecruiser or Tech 2 Frigate. It has ONE branch that changes nothing and does nothing. You DO get to traval across the galaxy 5 or 6 times because CCP says jumping 20 gates is fun. My advice, don't do it.

There is also 2 0.0 epic missions, but you don't need standing for them, and apparently they suck too.

If you DO want a change of pace, you can do Pirate missions in Venal, next door to Goonswarm's region. It's more dangerous in that hostiles can dock at the same station and keep you trapped. However, from what I hear the NC keeps several of the stations perma-blue so it could be worthwhile in doing them in HAC.