Sea Shepard guy's in Japanese prison lord, Japanese prison got him down

[BoatApe]

He's too big a fat pussy to put himself in any jeopardy whatsoever.

Dude, he did RAM A FUCKING WHALER AT SEA. Okay, he probably just fails at navigation but still....that takes some cojones. As well as plowing through ice in a non-reinforced ship. Maybe he's just stupid.

He's a douchebag, but I wouldn't go with big fat pussy.

Blatantly disregarding centuries of Maritime law and purposely putting your boat in a position to get rammed - more than once - then squealing like a stuck pig that "The Japanese rammed us..." makes him a big fat pussy in my book.

He's gonna have to jump in front of a harpoon to get anyone to take them seriously now.

[KallDrexx]

Maybe he's just stupid.

I'm going with that one.

[Sheepherder]

Teleku mentioned the part I don't really understand. No one actually likes whale meat, it's pretty much disgusting in every regard. No one wants to actually eat it.

Ever since Japan was dealt with in bad faith over the Alaskan fisheries and the first whaling moratorium they've been doing one of these:

[Khaldun]

Well, this has all the signs of a conversation that should end well.

[lac]

Even the twat got harpooned. We'd all have a good laugh but little sympathy.

There is a lot stuff going horribly wrong in our oceans and large scale industrial fishing is probably one of them but Japanese whaling, as politically incorrect as it might be, isn't the biggest problem by far.
Sticking to the Japanese and their massive trawlers, they were the ones who came up with 'fish to can' factory boats who literally strip all live bigger than a square centimetre from the sea.
 
And as these 'shepard' show stealing sea hippies were busy sucking up media attention, industrial fishing fleets of our Japanese friends, among many, many others, cleaned out the rich eastern African fishing fields bankrupting the traditional Somali fishermen in that area.
And when I say cleaned out I mean they literally took away all maritime life. They are not farming the sea, they are taking everything home, leaving only algae and processed waste behind.

Leading some Somali fishermen to more lucrative ventures, say pirating. The real shit this time, action bred out of necessity not out of misdirected idealism. Nothing suitable for TV, of course, never quite as entertaining as boats full of over privileged cunts trying to save the world.

[Musashi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQq78lvKrU

Yea, I didn't know he rammed a ship.  I stopped watching after the first few episodes because, well, it was retarded.  Still, it isn't exactly like he was ramming the ship in an effort to cause damage.  He was ramming the ship just enough to make a headline.  I suppose it's balls-lite.  But I'm still going to stick with fat pussy.

[Sheepherder]

He's explicitly stated his organization has attached a magnetic mine to a ship and detonated it before.

Meanwhile, the Sierra had been repaired and was ready to return to sea. It never did so: on February 6, 1980, my crew blew the bottom out of her and permanently ended her career. We traded a ship for a ship, but it was a great trade because we also traded our ship for the lives of hundreds of whales.

http://www.animalsfirstfoundation.org/pic_files/Satya%20March%2004_%20Interview%20with%20Paul%20Watson.pdf

Completely fucking loopy.

[Strazos]

... cleaned out the rich eastern African fishing fields bankrupting the traditional Somali fishermen in that area.
And when I say cleaned out I mean they literally took away all maritime life. They are not farming the sea, they are taking everything home, leaving only algae and processed waste behind.

Leading some Somali fishermen to more lucrative ventures, say pirating. The real shit this time, action bred out of necessity not out of misdirected idealism. Nothing suitable for TV, of course, never quite as entertaining as boats full of over privileged cunts trying to save the world.

A few points:

1) They cleaned out the east African fisheries legally; Somalia does not administer an EEZ currently. Also, those fisheries are recovering now, partially due to the piracy threat.
2) The piracy MAY have started with the misguided intention of "taxing" foreign fishing vessels...but now, it's simply kidnapping for ransom, and fishing vessels are not even terribly lucrative targets. It's a purely criminal enterprise.

[Yoru]

Teleku mentioned the part I don't really understand. No one actually likes whale meat, it's pretty much disgusting in every regard. No one wants to actually eat it.

Bullshit. I'm having a minke whale steak for dinner Sunday night. The key is that you slice it thin, and then soak it in milk overnight to get rid of the salty ocean flavor. Once you prepare it properly, minke whale is goddamned amazing - it's like someone compressed an entire cow's worth of beefness into a wee 8 ounce lump.

I have whale a few times a year; it's a bitch to prepare at home, but I know a few good restaurants here in Iceland that serve great whale steaks.

[Sheepherder]

This has taken an unexpected turn for the awesome.

[Ghambit]

Teleku mentioned the part I don't really understand. No one actually likes whale meat, it's pretty much disgusting in every regard. No one wants to actually eat it.

Bullshit. I'm having a minke whale steak for dinner Sunday night. The key is that you slice it thin, and then soak it in milk overnight to get rid of the salty ocean flavor. Once you prepare it properly, minke whale is goddamned amazing - it's like someone compressed an entire cow's worth of beefness into a wee 8 ounce lump.

I have whale a few times a year; it's a bitch to prepare at home, but I know a few good restaurants here in Iceland that serve great whale steaks.

You can soak any shitty, gamey-tasting, mercury laden meat in milk, prepare it properly, and it'd taste like fried heaven.  Has little to do with whale meat itself.  How bout go catch some REAL quality meat and eat that instead?  Fuck, I can smoke some Blue Marlin or Amberjack (which both taste like ass really) and make you bow down with the dip I'd create.  That doesnt somehow make AJ or BM a delicacy.

Perhaps the fact that it's such a pain in the ass to actually produce on the table (legally), prepare, and eat is why Japanese like it so much.  The fact that it's a difficult delicacy and an affront to modern culture is perhaps having a negative effect on the fishery itself.  Same thing happened with Tuna when in the 1970's Jap. trawlers pretty much erased the New England Bluefin from the map in one foul swoop.  (the equivalent of killing an entire herd species... Tuna have never recovered since, and now they're $10+/pound).  They do the same thing in the Bahamas late at night offshore when no one's watching... destroying the fishery in the process.

I dont villify people for eating/hunting whale meat at this point, but I do villify people for being irresponsible with the ocean's harvest - and the Japanese have been notorious for this throughout history from one fishery to another.  It needs to change.

As far as cetaceans go, until anyone in this forum spends some real quality time with Cetaceans and studies contemporary data, you pretty much are ignorant.  I've done both and I can tell you there's no way in hell I'm going to eat one.  I'd sooner eat a dog or a cat.

I assure you, if the layman could properly relate with Cetaceans like they do with the dumbtastic terrestrial animals we domesticate, we wouldnt be eating them.  They are majestic, highly social, highly intelligent sentient creatures (hell, they're the only other animal on earth besides ourselves that arbitrarily fuck and masturbate for pleasure) - we shouldnt be eating them... unless perhaps eating humans becomes en vogue as well. 

[Oban]

Sure, it's all hugs and kisses until the Octopuses learn how to use their coconut shells as weapons against humanity.

[proudft]

I'd sooner eat a dog or a cat.

Hey, what's wrong with eating dog or cat?

[Pennilenko]

I'd sooner eat a dog or a cat.

Hey, what's wrong with eating dog or cat?

Nothing if you are hungry enough.

[Ghambit]

Sure, it's all hugs and kisses until the Octopuses learn how to use their coconut shells as weapons against humanity.

There was an experiment I wanted to do to try and control the reproductive cycles of Octopuses so they wouldnt die shortly after giving birth.... thereby increasing life expectancy.  Nature has a reason for building them to die when they do though.  Those are some sheisty creatures.

[Triforcer]

Whale is good, if you like gamey meats.  It certain isn't the gods' ambrosia or the pinnacle of cuisine or anything, but its highly enjoyable.  I've only had it in appetizer form, so I can't speak to whale steak.

Horse, on the other hand, tastes pretty much like whatever you dip it in.  It was put in front of me at a law firm party in Tokyo, and while not terrible I wouldn't go out of my way to find it again.  

[K9]

Teleku mentioned the part I don't really understand. No one actually likes whale meat, it's pretty much disgusting in every regard. No one wants to actually eat it.

Eh? Whale is tasty as hell

[angry.bob]

1) They cleaned out the east African fisheries legally; Somalia does not administer an EEZ currently. Also, those fisheries are recovering now, partially due to the piracy threat.
2) The piracy MAY have started with the misguided intention of "taxing" foreign fishing vessels...but now, it's simply kidnapping for ransom, and fishing vessels are not even terribly lucrative targets. It's a purely criminal enterprise.

1) Legally or not, they still cleaned them out after chugging halfway across the globe to do it in someone else's yard. Also, just because Somalia doesn't have an EEZ doesn't mean that the Somali's didn't depend on it, or that it was one of the only ways to feed themselves. The entire country is a coastal strip of nomadic grazing because the whole country has 300 square yards able to grow crops. I don't technically own the devilstrip in front of my house, but that doesn'e mean some guy from New York can drive out here and take the grass and topsoil in it.

2)Oh, well if it started out as the only way to bring in any money, they needed to stop after after the first couple of times because everyone knows you only need to eat once a year and that's plenty of time for an entire ecosystem stripped bare by fishing fleets from a country on the other side of the globe to repair itself to the point were a country of subsistence fishermen can feed itself.

Somalia has been about endlessly fucked by the First World in a lot of ways and has simply been ignored when they object. Frankly, if I were them I'd be mining as much uranium as I could and selling it to whoever had the money, regardless of what anyone had to say. I bet their concerns would get some attention then.

[Musashi]

Sometimes the non sequitur on this site is kind of amazing.  Sea Shepards to Somali uranium miners.  You've got to be pretty smart to get shit like that done.  I'm proud of you guys.

[Strazos]

1) Legally or not, they still cleaned them out after chugging halfway across the globe to do it in someone else's yard. Also, just because Somalia doesn't have an EEZ doesn't mean that the Somali's didn't depend on it, or that it was one of the only ways to feed themselves. The entire country is a coastal strip of nomadic grazing because the whole country has 300 square yards able to grow crops. I don't technically own the devilstrip in front of my house, but that doesn'e mean some guy from New York can drive out here and take the grass and topsoil in it.

2)Oh, well if it started out as the only way to bring in any money, they needed to stop after after the first couple of times because everyone knows you only need to eat once a year and that's plenty of time for an entire ecosystem stripped bare by fishing fleets from a country on the other side of the globe to repair itself to the point were a country of subsistence fishermen can feed itself.

Somalia has been about endlessly fucked by the First World in a lot of ways and has simply been ignored when they object. Frankly, if I were them I'd be mining as much uranium as I could and selling it to whoever had the money, regardless of what anyone had to say. I bet their concerns would get some attention then.

 - I'm sure the Japanese, Spanish, etc would have been happy to pay a paltry licensing fee if there was someone to actually get a license from. As such, it's simply unadministered international waters. I'm not defending the fishing trawlers who pillaged the fisheries, but piracy and kidnapping are certainly not an appropriate responses.

 - Somalis are, historically, a very entrepreneurial people. They'd be much better off if they would drop the al Shabaab and clan warfare nonsense, but as such, a lot of people there are just going for the easy money; human trafficking, smuggling (arms and refugees), and now piracy. It started out that way because a few guys realized you can get a lot more money kidnapping the ship/crew rather than just rolling on a ship and demanding cash.

BTW, besides World Food Program, there's a lot of time and energy being dumped into trying to fix Somalia. Unfortunately, there's no quick solution, and big swaths of the population are not exactly helping themselves when they join up with extremist militias, or hijack WFP shipments, or are complicit in piracy.

[Threash]

Wait, milk steak actually exists? whoa.

[apocrypha]

I've eaten whale steak in Iceland and it was very nice. Tender and tasty. I'm no expert but I'd guess, like any other meat, that how nice it is depends on many factors including exactly what kind of whale it was, how well it was stored and prepared and exactly which bit of whale it was. I mean, whales are big, it can't *all* be prime rump can it?

I have very little time for animal rights activists who place animal lives above human lives and are willing to inflict pain and suffering on humans to further their aims. Seems to me that they're misunderstanding the causes of animal suffering. The vast majority of suffering that we inflict on animals is because of the drive for profit, so maybe that's something they should consider.

As far as the rights and wrongs of whaling go then I find it very hard to pick through the lies and hyperbole coming from both sides of the debate. Illegal whaling of endangered species, bad, yeah no question. But I honestly have no idea how common that is and find it hard to trust the figures that come out of the animal rights movements.

But the vitriol that a lot of people direct at the anti-whalers seems equally misplaced to me. In this thread people are expressing a desire for this particular person to get harpooned? Really? What's wrong with you? Can you not see that those are abhorrent things to say?

[Sheepherder]

As far as the rights and wrongs of whaling go then I find it very hard to pick through the lies and hyperbole coming from both sides of the debate. Illegal whaling of endangered species, bad, yeah no question. But I honestly have no idea how common that is and find it hard to trust the figures that come out of the animal rights movements.

The people they actually go after are generally not whaling illegally, and the species they hunt are generally not endangered.

But the vitriol that a lot of people direct at the anti-whalers seems equally misplaced to me. In this thread people are expressing a desire for this particular person to get harpooned? Really? What's wrong with you? Can you not see that those are abhorrent things to say?

They're militant hippies, the most annoying combination of traits known to man.  I would gladly club one to death and wear his pelt.

[Ghambit]

I hate the SeaShepherd people because they siphon millions of good dollars away from good people and flush it down the drink with their incompetence (absolute worst group of seamen I've ever seen portrayed).  The whole thing is a clusterscrew, especially when you consider much of the money they intake is tax deductible... therefore yah, all of us here are paying for what you see.

If that doesnt get you pissed off I dunno what will.

For the amount of money that the Shepherd and its ilk wastes, it'd make more sense to shore up the IWC and make it a commission with teeth rather than the joke it currently is.  The Japanese whaling lobby needs to be fought directly with dollars, not bohemians.

[Khaldun]

I bet if you kept minke whale in a crate with minimal movement, fed it beer and killed it while it was young, its meat would be tender and delicious.

[Oban]

That gives me an idea, I wonder if whale meat is halal and/or kosher.

[Murgos]

I would think it would depend on the whale but many of them eat shellfish (of one sort or another).

[Ingmar]

That gives me an idea, I wonder if whale meat is halal and/or kosher.

Negative. If it comes out of the ocean, it has to have fins and scales to be kosher.

EDIT: It occurs to me that even if whale technically could be kosher you'd have an awfully hard time slaughtering it in the proper way.

[Sheepherder]

I hate the SeaShepherd people because they siphon millions of good dollars away from good people and flush it down the drink with their incompetence (absolute worst group of seamen I've ever seen portrayed).

You seem to be under the misapprehension that the comedy value of sinking a ~$2 million speedboat three months after you acquire it and put another $1 million in technology into it has no inherent value.

[Ghambit]

That gives me an idea, I wonder if whale meat is halal and/or kosher.

If you hold it upside-down, spank it, and then bless it with some old guy in a funny hat it becomes kosher.  And then it's worth twice as much money (for the crap portions even)!  CHA-CHING!
I think I just found you a new business.

[CmdrSlack]

Just saw this on CNN.com. I guess that whole "smuggled in" thing never tipped off Hump that it was serving a prohibited product.

[Sjofn]

Thank god no one gives a damn about Octopuses.

I do! They're totally on my Too Smart to Eat list.

[MahrinSkel]

Thank god no one gives a damn about Octopuses.

I do! They're totally on my Too Smart to Eat list.

That's funny.  I have them on my "Too Smart To Live" list, along with pigs.  There's only room for one sentient species on this planet, and my money is on the one with thumbs and forks.

--Dave

[Polysorbate80]

How could you eat something so adorable?

Grilled, maybe?

The real question is:  they're aquatic, but not fish--so white wine or red wine?

[Lantyssa]

I would think they are a dark or red meat, so red wine.