Kevin Smith Unleashes Twitter Storm on Southwest Airlines

[Triforcer]

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2010/02/16/flying_while_fat

I hope you all feel like the fucking monsters you are now.   

[Tebonas]

 

What the fuck happened here while I was sleeping? Are we really discussing semantics now and whether valid means producing the desired results (=my argument) or having legal force (allegedly my argument according to the gospels of dusematic).

Would you really feel better if I had said "efficacious(=effective as a means)"?

Smoking is bad for you.
All positive effects of smoking can be achieved by better methods. BOTH legal and illegal.
Better meaning with less severe side effects.

Whats not clear about that argument?

Edit: Oops, Triforcer post came while I wrote this

Yes, I feel like a fucking monster because I want to punch the writer of that article.

[schild]

Salon is crap, pretty much always has been short of the very, very rare article.

[schild]

Also, sounds like Kate Harding needs to go on a diet.

Edit: Scratch that, saw a photo, dieting won't help.

Fake edit: OH SNAP

[UnSub]

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2010/02/16/flying_while_fat

I hope you all feel like the fucking monsters you are now.   

I think that article got some of its self-loathing on me. That stuff is hard to wash out.

[K9]

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2010/02/16/flying_while_fat

I hope you all feel like the fucking monsters you are now.   

Her entire argument boils down to 'Fuck You'; literally.

Fucking fatty.

[dusematic]

I like how she describes her 300 pound female friend as "tall."  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA


Yes of course. The airlines should reconfigure their entire business model to suit the needs of the uber fat/poor who can't afford to buy two tickets to go to funerals. EVERYONE IS EQUAL.  WE'RE ALL THE SAME. WE HAVE RIGHTS. 

[fuser]

Also, sounds like Kate Harding needs to go on a diet.

Holy shit have you seen her blog? It's all kinds of crazyness.

Q. OK, listen, it’s fine for YOU to be happy with how you look, but you cannot even fathom what it’s like to live in MY disgusting body — so it’s perfectly fine for me to cut my objectively hideous self down and talk about how I clearly need to lose weight, right?
A. No, it’s really not.

Q.  When you say “Diets don’t work,” don’t you mean fad diets, as opposed to permanent lifestyle changes?
A. No.

Q. I think what you’re doing is great, but personally, I still want to lose weight — why won’t you allow diet talk here?
A. Because it’s a fat acceptance blog.

[dusematic]

It's already starting. 

[01101010]

Yes of course. The airlines should reconfigure their entire business model to suit the needs of the uber fat/poor who can't afford to buy two tickets to go to funerals. EVERYONE IS EQUAL.  WE'RE ALL THE SAME. WE HAVE RIGHTS.  

Bench seating down the length of the aircraft and you then pay by the pound, just like luggage. Ta-da!

edit: to add

Q. I think what you’re doing is great, but personally, I still want to lose weight — why won’t you allow diet talk here?
A. Because it’s a fat acceptance blog.

I guess they leave out accepting that a lot of people will ridicule you based on being fat. Of course the whole premise of that blog is silly. Is there a smoking acceptance blog too? 

[schild]

Stop comparing fatness and smoking.

ANYWAY.

That woman is the definition of "stupid."

[Lakov_Sanite]

Rule number one: Cardio

[Draegan]

I think I need to invent Diet Twinkies.

[NowhereMan]

I love the 'diets don't work' sentiment. Clearly anyone claiming to have lost weight from a diet is a big (figuratively) fat liar. If they look like they've lost weight, they were actually wearing a fat suit in the first place and are an undercover fat-hater whose just trying to make you doubt that this is the way you will always be.

[01101010]

I love the 'diets don't work' sentiment. Clearly anyone claiming to have lost weight from a diet is a big (figuratively) fat liar. If they look like they've lost weight, they were actually wearing a fat suit in the first place and are an undercover fat-hater whose just trying to make you doubt that this is the way you will always be.

I always suspected that Jared guy was not on the up-and-up. /green

[Signe]

I see fat little children around all the time.  A LOT of them. There is one down the road who is very, very big.  Like maybe 3 1/2 feet tall and 150 lbs. or so.  (I suck at guessing weight but he's really big)  He's likely to grow into a fat adult and it's not really his fault.  Well, I guess not YET according to most of you intolerant types. 

[schild]

On a southwest plane right now. It has wiring. Kevin Smith is a bitch.

[schild]

Wiring = WIFI

[Signe]

I hope you're going some place nice and warm, with palm trees and very tan naked ladies to have a good time!  Maybe you'll meet a nice girl, get hitched in a few months and have fat babies and fluffy kittens.  (or the other way around if you prefer)

[Ironwood]

We're about five minutes away from a Judge Dredd script.

The woman who wrote that Salon article requires a bellywheel.

[Righ]

Bench seating down the length of the aircraft and you then pay by the pound, just like luggage. Ta-da!

See my post earlier where I stated that such seating arrangements are more comfortable than economy class on a modern airline even for a short thin person. You don't get fold down tables and in-flight movies on the backs of somebody's headrest, but I have a laptop so fuck everybody else. I have photos (thousands of miles away in Scotland) that I took aboard my Zimbabwean Dakota flight that I really must get scanned. The grinning guy with the goats was the best picture.

I've paid by weight on a UK internal flight before - a little Beechcraft if I remember correctly. Don't recall the carrier but it was a private charter so everything was weighed and paid for just as you would for a cargo charter. There's been a lot of talk in recent years of major airlines considering charging by weight but most of the industry works as a cartel, so it will take some time before the bulk of the carriers agree and have the weight among their cartel members to pull it off. When (not if) that happens, expect to see some incredible stories about people harming themselves by crash dieting and not drinking any water to save money (and flights being diverted due to medical crises from pseudo-bulimic passengers).

[WayAbvPar]

That would make airport bathrooms even more terrifying to visit.

[Lantyssa]

Since I almost never fly nowadays, I can't wait.

[Jimbo]

I used to love to fly, now it sucks.  Went on a business trip last month, 1st they couldn't find my ticket in the computer, then they found it, but charge now for checked bags! WTF!  Oh and because of weather it was delayed at all the stops, so we were late getting there, what should have been a 4 to 6 hours of flying, ended up being a 9am (have to be there 2 hours early!) to 2330 when we go there 14 hours +!  Why the fuck do people fly?  Oh because we let the trains go to hell and built airlines and cars....

[K9]

I took Amtrak once, it wasn't so bad. I got free food and drink and more legroom than i have ever had in any other form of mass transport ever.

[Oban]

I took Amtrak once, it wasn't so bad. I got free food and drink and more legroom than i have ever had in any other form of mass transport ever.

I took the Acela from New York to DC once about ten years ago because all of the flights out of NY were grounded due to weather.  It was not too bad, the first class seating leg room was a tad cramped.  The train was delayed twice while we were on our way due to trees that had fallen on the tracks.   I remember that I had to walk for about thirty minutes before I was able to find a taxi that would take me to the airport so I could get my car.

Nothing beats the trains in Europe though, or at least the ones that do not crash.

[UnSub]

We're about five minutes away from a Judge Dredd script.

Hopefully one involving Judge Death.

[Righ]

I took Amtrak once, it wasn't so bad. I got free food and drink and more legroom than i have ever had in any other form of mass transport ever.

I've always wanted to take one of the trains down to New Orleans in the week before Mardi Gras since there are some cool bands that provide live entertainment as they head to the festival themselves, particularly this one.

[01101010]

I took Amtrak once, it wasn't so bad. I got free food and drink and more legroom than i have ever had in any other form of mass transport ever.

I would take a train anywhere in America rather than fly, if they would not have the most fucked up boarding schedules. Seems they are stuck on Euro times. Been on a train once in my life and don't remember much since we had to be there @ 3am for a 4:15a departure. Thank god I was 10 at the time.

[Sheepherder]

General aviation would be a pretty nice way to get around if a 50 year old plane with a newer turbine engine didn't cost $1.4 million.

[Ghambit]

I'm a private pilot and we pretty much plan for one person== 180lbs at most.  If you're over that, you're considered "fat."  If you're TWICE that size, then you're two people.  It's just that simple.  Has more to do with weight&balance than space really (especially on smaller planes).  I get equally as pissed when some premadonna rich lady brings a million tons of bags... she may as well be a fatty.

Now, I know in G.A. (general aviation), you're pretty much disallowed to fly if you're too big/unhealthy.  There are no fat pilots in aviation.  It's a safety hazard to themselves and their passengers when there are. 

As for big-iron commercial aviation... their seats are too small to begin with.  I dont blame fat people for this fact and the reality is the whole fat argument is  just one big airline lobby to keep their seats small.

[Signe]

Yes, airplane seats might as well be for people with no legs.  As much as overweight people might have discomfort, I think tall people must suffer more.  I'm short and my legs don't fit properly.

[Merusk]

I'm a private pilot and we pretty much plan for one person== 180lbs at most.  If you're over that, you're considered "fat."  

Wha?  That seems way low.  I haven't weighed 180 since my Sophomore year of high school.  I was 192 Senior Year with 5% body fat and I'm only 5'-11".  That's bordering on "short" for the teutonic folks of Cincinnati, but tall for those from Cleveland.  I don't think I've seen a guy who weighed 180 in the last 12 years.

Looks like I was dead on about that man weight being too low.  Though apparently I AM taller than average according to this link. I feel short around here, tho.  Most women I know are 5'8 or better.

2002 average figures: Men 20-70: 5'-9 1/2" and 191#, Women 5'-4" 164.3#  Which, yes, averages out to 177# but that's assuming your plane is 50% men and women.  More men and you're under evaluating.

[Jherad]

Yeah, its always been the legroom thing for me more than the width. Even as a fatty, my main problem was with my knees being jammed up against the seat in front (I'm 6' 2"). Then again, I've never been at the 'spilling into the next seat' stage.

I weighed 190lbs at my fittest in the military 17 years ago. 180lbs for a maximum is crazy.

[Selby]

Wow.  Average height is 5'8" at 15?  I was 6' at 15 and 5'4" at 10.  I'm now 6'4" and weigh 205lbs, which I don't consider to be *fat* per se, not that I am not working on losing weight.  My thinnest was 125lbs at 19, which was not healthy at all (looked like a cancer patient) and even 175 for my frame, while a goal, is still pretty light compared to the rest of America.

And I hate flying most airlines, because unless it is an aisle seat, it's cramped and uncomfortable, and I fit in the seat just fine width-wise and shoulder-wise.