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Reply #140 on: June 06, 2010, 03:31:51 PM

SO I know nothing about computers and my PC seems to have died. It was an old Dell Dimension 8400 and it has had some catastrophic mother board failure that seems to be pretty common (fan going into crazy overdrive, that stopped and now it just beeps sadly)

So I need a new PC and have little clue what to buy. I'd probably prefer something with a warranty, I'm not sure I have the expertise or patience to build my own. I was thinking of going with Dell again, since this last PC has been pretty trouble free for 5-6 years, and where I have had trouble their service has been good. I just have no idea what's good value for money, what are good components vs bad, and so on. I could probably afford £800-900 if it's going to last a while.

With respect to use, I'm not expecting to play a ton of high-end games on it. Probably WoW and SCII for the most part. Having something I can also use for work (cpu-intensive modelling) would be a bonus.

Any advice would be welcome, thanks. Even really basic stuff.

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Reply #141 on: June 06, 2010, 04:34:14 PM

From your description, I think this one will do you:

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=DRSSX004&l=en&m_30=322642&oc=D00X8104&rbc=D00X8104&s=dhs

High end processor
So-so video card (nothing fancy but can do games). I am confident you can install another one, provided you don't need a super duper one which would tax your Power Supply (if it even has enough power connectors for it)
   

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Reply #142 on: June 06, 2010, 06:17:29 PM

I'm firmly in the camp that the i5-750 is the way to go, it's the same core without hyperthreading, some security features which may or may not turn into a massive DRM clusterfuck, and some virtualization features designed to handle DMA in hardware.

Case in point.
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Reply #143 on: June 06, 2010, 06:30:36 PM

It seems that the i7 8xx does a wee tad better than the i5s with 3D modeling. Of course, it all depends on various factors. IF his programs take advantage of hyperthreading, then he's got an edge with an i7 8xx, I suspect.

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Reply #144 on: June 06, 2010, 06:44:47 PM

It's a $90 price difference for almost nothing performance wise even in best case.  Hyperthreading has never impressed me, the TxT security feature makes EA and Sony cackle with glee, and VT-d is superfluous unless you're running demanding modern applications in a virtual environment, where a software layer handling DMA requests just isn't fast enough.
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Reply #145 on: June 06, 2010, 07:00:10 PM

For rendering 3D models HT probably does matter but K9 will need to dig around to see if there are any benchmarks that can confirm that.
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Reply #146 on: June 06, 2010, 07:45:50 PM

Very close.

A more general comparison.

The second comparison reveals that there are a shitton of programs that still attempt to use every available core before checking whether it's a logical or a physical core, which really fucking hurts programs that need fast cache access more than parallelism.
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Reply #147 on: June 06, 2010, 09:10:35 PM

Honestly, for just WoW and general office stuff I'd just go for the bottom, one for 400-500£ with a non intel card should run WoW fine.

Dell either goofed up on pricing or wanted to get some old stuff out and I walked away with a 300$ box with a 5 year warranty, it worked fine (not awesomely, but fine).

I could run 25 man raids, do WG and stuff on it fine and this is (now) a 2 year old box.  Granted, my netbook can run WoW, at 2 fps, but it can run WoW.

I seriously wonder what my current machine would do in WoW.
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Reply #148 on: June 06, 2010, 09:49:32 PM


The processor is not something you find you need to replace.  Or maybe it is, now that FSB's have fucked off and died.
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Reply #149 on: June 07, 2010, 06:40:32 AM

I'm considering grabbing one of those very same i5 750 processors.  Suggestions on a good motherboard to go with it?  I wouldn't know a good MB if you beat me over the head with it.

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Reply #150 on: June 07, 2010, 06:41:43 AM

MSI P55-GD65
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Reply #151 on: June 07, 2010, 08:28:39 AM

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person that has had great luck with Asus MB's.  I'll take a look at the MSI.

I'm really sold on the i5 and am probably going to upgrade to one soon.  The only thing holding me back is the complete lack of an MMO worth spending time on. 

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Reply #152 on: June 07, 2010, 08:40:39 AM

MSI P55-GD65

It's freaking weird that this was exactly the MB I was looking at buying.

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Reply #153 on: June 07, 2010, 09:32:59 AM

I haven't actually seen many truly shitty motherboards, even the manufacturers unwilling to put out a manual in anything other than Engrish are putting out some pretty hot shit for cheap.
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Reply #154 on: June 07, 2010, 04:26:27 PM


Thanks a lot for the suggestions. PC hardware is one thing I have a glaring blind spot for, so I usually opt for a bigger number = better approach which I suspect is not the right way to go. I might just go ahead and buy this unless anyone has any other suggestions or improvements. I'll come back in due course for upgrade suggestions I guess.

fakeedit: Are dell monitors good value for money? You omitted a monitor from the build which is fine since my old one works fine. Going to two screens is something I would probably be keen to do in the near future. Would I need a different graphics card for that, and is getting a monitor as part of the bundle good value, or should I buy separately?

For rendering 3D models HT probably does matter but K9 will need to dig around to see if there are any benchmarks that can confirm that.

I honestly wouldn't have a clue what to make of those. The modelling I do is all numerical though, not graphical (science, narf).

Thanks for all the comments!



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Reply #155 on: June 07, 2010, 05:20:01 PM

The GTS 240 can accomodate two monitors:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gts_240_us.html

Two via DVI port. If your current monitor uses VGA, you can purchase a DVI-to-VGA adapter. They aren't expensive.

Since the uproar by Sheephearder and his intense animosity towards all things i7  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?, I tried to find an i5 system on the UK site, but I'm not seeing it.

The best thing you can do is to see if your modeling software supports hyperthreading. If it does, the i7 is probably going to be better than the i5. If it doesn't, then the i5 might be better, but who knows.

Dell's monitors are for the most part good. The pricing, as bundled with a system, suggest the purchase of the 23" one. Its a TN monitor, which generally speaking means good for gaming, not great for video (viewing angles and blacks are a bit weak). Trippy or someone else might know a bit more on this subject, since I've been out of the monitor game for a while.
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Reply #156 on: June 07, 2010, 06:58:27 PM

1. Combine an Intel i5-750 and the Geforce 260 GTX, IMO.  That way you don't have to go card shopping.
2. Dell monitors are usually pretty good.
3. HT doesn't consistently perform better at anything, even where it should be a clear upgrade like file compression it can be +/- 20%, completely depending on what software you use.

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StudioXPS 8100 - Intel Core i5 Processor 750 (2.66GHz, 8MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English
OS Windows® Recovery Media Not included
Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Word Starter, Excel Starter)
1 year of coverage included with your PC
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
No Accidental Damage Support
Display Not Included
6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory - Might want to go for 4 matched sticks, £40 more.
1.5TB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive
Graphics : Single 1.8GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 - The ATi card is £140 less, but it's pretty mediocre.
DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with Roxio Easy CD and DVD Burn software

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=DRSSX003&l=en&m_30=322642&oc=D00X8103&rbc=D00X8103&s=dhs
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Reply #157 on: June 08, 2010, 03:02:48 AM

The best thing you can do is to see if your modeling software supports hyperthreading. If it does, the i7 is probably going to be better than the i5. If it doesn't, then the i5 might be better, but who knows.

We write it ourselves, so I'm going to guess no  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Thanks again for all the suggestions and help.

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Reply #158 on: June 08, 2010, 07:29:32 AM

I'd go with Sheepherder's build. For the same amount of money, you get a much more beefy video card.

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Reply #159 on: June 09, 2010, 11:29:28 AM

My ATI 4850 512mb just melted and I'm wondering if there is a bottleneck in my system for a video card upgrade/downgrade.  Similar to Aez:
 
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Reply #160 on: June 09, 2010, 12:43:17 PM

90% of GPU failures are due to insufficient or failing power supplies. What are your PSU's stats?

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Reply #161 on: June 09, 2010, 01:31:50 PM

90% of GPU failures are due to insufficient or failing power supplies. What are your PSU's stats?

Antec earthwatts 500W (ea-5000)
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Reply #162 on: June 09, 2010, 01:54:53 PM

That's a decent brand and a decent wattage.

So, ya, I think if you were running a 4000 series card without issue, you can comfortably upgrade to a 5k series and see improvements. Your CPU isn't omgwtfbbq aswome, but its on par with a E6xxx series C2D processor. You may not get the absolute best performance with that CPU, so its probably a bottleneck, but you'd still get an improvement. How much is hard for me to say, other than looking at artificial benchmarks that won't quite match your hardware config.

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Reply #163 on: June 09, 2010, 03:42:19 PM

After many years, considering a new case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139001

Undecided.  I want my next case to last at least ten years.

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Reply #164 on: June 09, 2010, 04:47:17 PM


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Reply #165 on: June 09, 2010, 08:49:41 PM

What made you decide for the Silverstone over the Corsair? That Corsair looked pretty sweet to me.

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Reply #166 on: June 09, 2010, 09:39:16 PM

Confirmed a removable mobo plate.  I suppose the user endorsement was what sold me.  I felt we connected.

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Reply #167 on: June 27, 2010, 03:36:44 AM

I was in the market for a new laptop, but realized I never take the thing anywhere anyway. So I decided to go for a desktop. Here are the parts. I tried this once in the past and it failed miserably, so instead of spending months researching and waiting and pining for tech that isnt out yet, or scrutinizing every detail of my build, I would rather just get it over with as fast as possible (even if that isnt the proper mindset). If someone could give it a quick once over to make sure I'm not missing something major that would be good.

Also, if anyone knows how to shave off a few $ for due to my lack of foresight, that is welcome too.
And is neweggs return policy for monitors still the no less than 5 dead pixels BS that it used to be? I looked and didnt see it anywhere.
Thanks

Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
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Item #:N82E16811119138
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
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HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Monitor: ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
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Reply #168 on: June 27, 2010, 10:24:28 AM

My only thought is that your motherboard and cpu are set up for triple channel. I don't know if you -have- to use 3 sticks, but I believe that's what your mobo and CPU are ideally set up for.

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Reply #169 on: June 27, 2010, 03:28:02 PM

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Reply #170 on: June 27, 2010, 08:22:08 PM

Better brand anyways.

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Reply #171 on: June 28, 2010, 12:54:17 PM

If you want to save a few bucks you might look at an i5 750 system, yeah?  (See further on up the thread)
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Reply #172 on: June 28, 2010, 02:01:09 PM

So I just ordered some parts to upgrade my pc on the cheap to try to play some of these steam games I've purchased recently.  I already had a case/monitor and whatnot but what I'm not sure about (and don't know how to find out really) is if the 380w psu in my current case is enough to power this thing.  Any pointers on figuring that out?

Here's what i ordered:
- GIGABYTE GA-H55M-UD2H LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
- GeIL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10660) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model GV34GB1333C9DC
- Intel Core i3-530 Clarkdale 2.93GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I3530
- Western Digital AV-GP WD5000AVDS 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal AV Hard Drive -Bare Drive
- EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Came out to $480 shipped with another $40 in rebates. 
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Reply #173 on: June 29, 2010, 10:27:46 AM

Also, if anyone knows how to shave off a few $ for due to my lack of foresight, that is welcome too.
And is neweggs return policy for monitors still the no less than 5 dead pixels BS that it used to be? I looked and didnt see it anywhere.
Thanks

The i5-750 is ~$90 cheaper for almost the exact same processor.  The added features of the i7 are negligible for most people.

what I'm not sure about (and don't know how to find out really) is if the 380w psu in my current case is enough to power this thing.  Any pointers on figuring that out?

What's the brand on the PSU?
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Reply #174 on: June 29, 2010, 10:30:54 AM

What's the brand on the PSU?

Antec ... Came with my Sonata 1 which is many years old at this point.  If its even going to be questionable I'll upgrade it, just would like to know how big and how to figure that out.
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