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Reply #2870 on: July 26, 2018, 09:29:21 PM

I was looking at that case and the NZXT Elite. That one looks trim enough. Looks like it also has more than enough room for a large GPU.

edit: I see your comments on pcpartspicker when I'm messing around with builds.
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Reply #2871 on: July 26, 2018, 10:00:59 PM

I was looking at that case and the NZXT Elite. That one looks trim enough. Looks like it also has more than enough room for a large GPU.

edit: I see your comments on pcpartspicker when I'm messing around with builds.

My apologies.  :P

The H500/H500i is pretty much the successor to the 340 Elite, though.  Similar price point and design, to the point that I think the 340 Elite is probably on its way out.
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Reply #2872 on: July 28, 2018, 03:58:43 PM

Tentative parts list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($114.79 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($409.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1227.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-28 16:53 EDT-0400

Video card is just a stand in for budgeting purpose.

I have a 500GB Evo 860 and Evo 850 for SSDs. And a 1TB HDD for storing shit I never use (and my son's Minecraft junk).

I'm not 100% on the motherboard or cooler. For the cooler, I just want something fairly low profile and not noisy. I'm tired of installing 212s. I don't really overlock or haven't at least since the late 90s.  awesome, for real


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Reply #2873 on: July 29, 2018, 02:18:59 PM

I can't really see anything amiss.  Maybe add a NVMe SSD just because prices are coming down - that 480GB one I used in my latest box is $99 again, and is hellaciously fast.

The cooler should be fine, but be prepared to fiddle around with fan speeds - my H80 at full blast was pretty annoying, but dialing the fans back to 60% had pretty much no impact on performance and made it practically silent.

Keep an eye on the buildapcsales subreddit while you're acquiring parts.  They're pretty good at sniffing out deals.
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Reply #2874 on: July 29, 2018, 02:58:13 PM

I was trying to find a reason to go with an i7 over in i5 but just couldn't.  They both have six cores now and I really don't know if hyperthreading was ever used in my current system over the last five years.  That next jump to lga2066/i9 seems crazy expensive to me.  For a weak moment I tried to rationalize it by comparing it to much more expensive trucks/cars that other people buy but my subconscious wouldn't fall for it.  Instead I bought 32 gigs or ram under the pretense of running VMs.

I will be able to count on my fingers the number of times I actually fire up Ubuntu or something.
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Reply #2875 on: July 29, 2018, 09:21:45 PM

If you can squeeze out an extra $30-40, a 1070ti has nearly the same performance as a 1080 (and enough more than a straight 1070 to be worth the premium). Some benchmarks say it does considerably better at 4k than either, fwiw.

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Reply #2876 on: July 30, 2018, 01:11:10 AM

For the cooler, I just want something fairly low profile and not noisy. I'm tired of installing 212s.
Well that's cause the 212 is one of the most difficult coolers to install.

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Reply #2877 on: July 30, 2018, 06:19:07 PM

For the cooler, I just want something fairly low profile and not noisy. I'm tired of installing 212s.
Well that's cause the 212 is one of the most difficult coolers to install.



Have they changed the mounting solution recently?  I don't remember it being super tough - just a little fiddly - but it's been a while since I last installed one.

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Reply #2878 on: July 30, 2018, 08:37:15 PM

If you can squeeze out an extra $30-40, a 1070ti has nearly the same performance as a 1080 (and enough more than a straight 1070 to be worth the premium). Some benchmarks say it does considerably better at 4k than either, fwiw.

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How about this one? Seems to be decently discounted.https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137258

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Reply #2879 on: July 31, 2018, 11:45:25 AM

Graphics card prices are dropping like a rock the last day or two.

Cards that have been holding steady around $300 for the last few weeks just dropped into the $250 range.

I would imagine that if you can wait another couple weeks to buy, you will see them down to close to what MSRP was at their initial release before the Ethereum bubble.




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Reply #2880 on: July 31, 2018, 12:21:36 PM

NVIDIA announced there will be some "spectacular surprises" at Gamescom, basically confirming some new card or cards will be announced.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-gaming-celebration-gamescom-2018/
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Reply #2881 on: August 08, 2018, 06:42:53 PM

Time for a laptop, anyone with suggestions? I've never actually bought a laptop as I've always had a desktop, from what I can tell and what I've worked with it seems like GPU and CPU should be good off the bat and I can mess with ram/hard drives later if needed.

- $500-$900 range. I'd prefer closer to the 5 than the 9, but if the 9 is well worth it I'll pick it up.
- Usage is a mix of work, digital streaming box, and some gaming. So I'm trying to get a dedicated GPU. For the GPU, it seems the 1050 are the low end option and then if I'm going for a 1050ti I may as well grab a 1060, is that about right or am I missing something? Seems like most 1060 are only slightly more than a 1050ti for a decent bump increase.
- i5 should be fine for me, i7 if it's a small increase up then that is cool.

Here's what I've found so far - $900 range which could use some new ram, and a $650 option which could use new ram and an HDD.

And between those two it seems like a better choice would be the $900 option for more bang for the buck.
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Reply #2882 on: August 08, 2018, 09:54:12 PM

Yes you should get the 1060 if you can. The specs on that Dell look pretty good.

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Reply #2883 on: August 09, 2018, 05:04:31 AM

Hmmm.  I think it might be time for a new home laptop also.

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Reply #2884 on: August 09, 2018, 06:37:04 PM

Yes you should get the 1060 if you can. The specs on that Dell look pretty good.

Thanks for checking.
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Reply #2885 on: August 21, 2018, 08:59:42 AM

GeForce 2080 series announced for Sept 20th.  ~$850 for the base and ~$1250 for the Ti.   Hopefully that drops the 1080 Ti prices a bit.
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Reply #2886 on: August 21, 2018, 08:05:46 PM

GeForce 2080 series announced for Sept 20th.  ~$850 for the base and ~$1250 for the Ti.   Hopefully that drops the 1080 Ti prices a bit.

I don't think it'll move them a whole lot - there's an enormous chasm between what high-end 10xx cards are going for and the new 20xx price points and AMD isn't exactly offering any real competition to make nVidia move off of those prices any time soon.

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Reply #2887 on: August 21, 2018, 10:01:48 PM

GeForce 2080 series announced for Sept 20th.  ~$850 for the base and ~$1250 for the Ti.   Hopefully that drops the 1080 Ti prices a bit.
I don't think it'll move them a whole lot - there's an enormous chasm between what high-end 10xx cards are going for and the new 20xx price points and AMD isn't exactly offering any real competition to make nVidia move off of those prices any time soon.
Won't really know where the 1080 Ti will slot in, and where its price will stabilize at, until we see some (non-raytracing) gaming benchmarks.
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Reply #2888 on: August 22, 2018, 12:57:50 AM

Are they talking pricing already for the 20xx series?  With all the VR I do, it is sorely tempting to want an upgrade, but even I have my limits.

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Reply #2889 on: August 22, 2018, 06:43:11 AM

Yes though the only firm prices are the Founder Edition cards you (pre)order from NVIDIA. The 2080 Ti FE is $1200, the 2080 FE is $800 and the 2070 FE is $500. The non-FE cards are supposed to start at $100 less but as usual the only non-FE cards that are available for preorder on places like Amazon are the expensive high-end versions so if you wanted say a regular 2080 you have to pay around $850 as Druzil mentioned above to preorder one right now.
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Reply #2890 on: August 22, 2018, 07:12:15 AM

So, maybe 700 for a vanilla 2080 once these things get rolling down into the mainstream a bit?  A little better than I was fearing.

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Reply #2891 on: August 27, 2018, 10:13:28 PM

I'm waiting for 3rd party benches and non-FE 2070 pricing/availability to make a move.  My rig handles its 1440p output pretty well currently, so I'm not slavering to spend money on an upgrade.  I don't think ray-tracing will be a huge driver outside of a couple of titles for a while.

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Reply #2892 on: August 27, 2018, 10:22:21 PM

I ended up building the system build I linked above. Some exceptions were a 1070 Ti, a black case, and Noctua case fans.

Pretty satisfied. I think in retrospect I should have gotten a nicer MB, as this one was light on the fan connections and somewhat feature poor. Sure I could have waited on the vid card, but when I get the go ahead, itís best to move fast.

Itís funny in that 2 of the games I play are so low spec, the video card actually runs cooler than idle due to the AIO and case fans cooling it down.

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Reply #2893 on: September 16, 2018, 03:18:33 PM

The Verge is currently catching hell on social media for this disastrophe of a 'How to Build a PC' video.  It's worth a watch to see just how terrible (and in how many ways) it is.

The YouTube comments were great until they got disabled.

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Reply #2894 on: September 16, 2018, 03:41:01 PM

The thermal paste job made me want to cry for at least two reasons. The anti-static strap though, good job on that one. All secure.
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Reply #2895 on: September 16, 2018, 05:23:04 PM

I kept expecting it to go comedy, but no. Just terribad pc building. The static strap was my favorite part.
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Reply #2896 on: September 16, 2018, 06:36:48 PM

I kept expecting it to go comedy, but no. Just terribad pc building. The static strap was my favorite part.

Not sure what mine is, but he started strong by calling a pair of zipties 'tweezers'

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Reply #2897 on: September 17, 2018, 10:50:46 AM

wat

I don't think I've ever used a hex wrench or a multitool that "hopefully" has a screwdriver. That is the perfect 'if you need this video, do not use this video'.

How have they not taken that down?

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Reply #2898 on: September 17, 2018, 01:47:21 PM

If you look closely at the glamour shot from the associated article...


...you can see that they didn't even install the bottom left water block retention thumbscrew (assuming you make it past the world's worst cable management).

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Reply #2899 on: September 17, 2018, 03:22:00 PM

I think I saw that thing swallow some woman in Superman II

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Reply #2900 on: September 17, 2018, 05:56:47 PM

I think I saw that thing swallow some woman in Superman II

I think it was III, but yeah.  Also, they finally got tired of all the ridicule and took the video down.  From the associated article:

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Editorís note: An earlier version of this article included a video guide detailing similar steps on how to build a PC. Unfortunately, that video included a number of errors in the build process, and as a result we have removed it from this article. We have also updated this article to improve the order of the steps in the process.

Someone reuploaded it tho.
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Reply #2901 on: September 18, 2018, 10:23:52 AM

Shit.

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Reply #2902 on: October 08, 2018, 03:17:20 PM

So I rarely game anymore (but want to reserve the option), I also want to be able to drop in a high end video card if I decide to go whole hog on some VR gear.  That said I would really like to kill my home web server and move it to Hyper V on my main system so my question is this:

Is there a Motherboard + CPU + Ram + Video card combination that would allow for acceptable gaming performance w/o having to spin down a hopefully always on hosted Hyper V LAMP instance (probably assign it 4-6 cores and 12gb of ram)?  

I have a 500gb Samsung 970 pro ssd still in the box and plenty of large higher end mechanical drives laying about and I can scavenge the case and Seasonic PSU out of my current rig.  I was thinking an AMD 1920x might be a good fit but I am not really up to date on the current hardware trends.

edit - Oh yeah I also definitely DO NOT want to repeat my last mistake of a total lack of hardware virtualization extensions like I have on my K series i7 (fuck Intel for that).

edit2 - Maybe 32gb of memory and an AMD 1920X + Asus X399-E board?  Then toss in a Video card in the $300ish range?
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Reply #2903 on: October 08, 2018, 04:03:31 PM

Just out of curiosity, how is virtualizing your server on your gaming machine preferable to both dedicated hardware and $cloud_provider? Seems like worst of both worlds to me.
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Reply #2904 on: October 08, 2018, 04:19:57 PM

I'm not necessarily going for better, I'm going for good enough and want to ditch the dedicated machine I have now.  I want zero monthly costs and tons of flexibility, this is just a persistent dev sandbox that I occasionally use for short term demonstrations of PoC items to outsiders.  I am also considering putting some web based project management application on it and opening that up to a 2 or 3 other people to use as well.  

I was also thinking that most games don't give a crap if you have 20 cores  so if Hyper V is using those ignored cores AND there is plenty of RAM AND most of the file access is on the SSD then it may not have even a noticeable impact on gaming (other than the fact that I may not have chose the "best" processor to game with).
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