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Reply #1015 on: December 12, 2011, 02:58:51 PM

Got an email from newegg that has 4gb Kingston hyper x ddr3 for 9.99 after rebate. Ends at midnight pst.

All sold out already.  Not surprising at that price.

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Reply #1016 on: December 14, 2011, 11:17:28 AM

Quick question, does anyone have any idea about the current graphics card release cycle?

The GTX260 in my main gaming rig is dying and I'd like to replace it sometime soon. To go 3+ tiers up from it probably means a something like a 570 but I'd like the price of them to drop a bit first. They're about £260 here, which is over my comfort limit. If there's new cards coming then hopefully it'll bump the rest down a price bracket.

I'm very out of touch with these things so I have no idea if we're talking 3, 6, 12 months.

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Reply #1017 on: December 14, 2011, 12:50:41 PM

3 months looks about the likely window for both Red and Green to get their next-gen cards out. 570s are only about $300 to $350 here in 'Murika, and the new "560ti with 448 cores" are a bit less. If you can limp your 260 on for a bit, it's almost always worth waiting.
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Reply #1018 on: December 14, 2011, 10:24:25 PM

Cool, thanks. If the 570 or the 560ti drop to ~£160-180 I could probably afford one.

I hope the 260 will last, it's just getting really noisy and running really hot. Idles at 60-64oC, hits 90+ under heavy load. Cleaned out the case and fans as much as I can. I'll try and keep any extended gaming sessions to the downstairs PC for a while, which has the same card but runs 20oC cooler.

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Reply #1019 on: December 15, 2011, 06:30:05 AM

You could try re-seating the cooling on the hotter card, clean it up and put on new thermal goop and whatnot.
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Reply #1020 on: December 15, 2011, 07:42:09 AM

I have considered that, however right now, if I fuck it up I will only be able to afford to replace it with a minor upgrade.

If I wait until I can afford a decent upgrade and *then* try fixing it I'm covered if I make a dogs arse of it.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #1021 on: December 15, 2011, 04:06:56 PM

3 months looks about the likely window for both Red and Green to get their next-gen cards out. 570s are only about $300 to $350 here in 'Murika, and the new "560ti with 448 cores" are a bit less. If you can limp your 260 on for a bit, it's almost always worth waiting.

I think that ATI is very soon (later this month), while nVidia is probably a quarter or two out.

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Reply #1022 on: December 15, 2011, 10:16:37 PM

Sorry, should have said, I don't do ATI. Great hardware, drivers cobbled together from old mattress parts and chewing gum. By monkeys.

Luckily it's winter now so the ambient temperatures in my gaming room are rapidly approaching a point where PC cooling becomes superfluous...  why so serious?

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Reply #1023 on: December 15, 2011, 11:27:56 PM

I've always wanted to stick my case in a dry place outside just to see how far I could overclock it.  Unfortunately, the "dry" part is hard, even in winter.
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Reply #1024 on: December 17, 2011, 06:28:04 AM

Sorry, should have said, I don't do ATI. Great hardware, drivers cobbled together from old mattress parts and chewing gum. By monkeys.

ATI's drivers have been fine for the most part for the last few years. I have seen just as many nVidia driver problems as I have seen ATI ones since I built my machine in 2008.

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Reply #1025 on: December 17, 2011, 07:38:15 AM

Over the last year or so, ATI drivers seem to have gotten back to being extra special. I've switched back to Nvidia after using Radeon flavored cards since the 4870, and recommending them.
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Reply #1026 on: December 17, 2011, 08:09:54 AM

I have to concur. I had to tweak the files for my 5870 because the dumb thing would go from powered to idle low voltage state any time you weren't actively in a high graphics window. So if I was playing a dx9 game in a window, with a browser in the other monitor, and I switched over to the other monitor (just bringing focus to the browser rather than the game) the whole danged screen would flicker. I had to go in and manually create a preset profile that would keep the card's voltage higher when going to 'low voltage' states to stop the flickering.

This isn't some fancy set up I have here. This is a dx9 game in windowed mode in one monitor, youtube or f13 in another monitor. Hardly pushing the boundaries of hardware expectation, especially not with a 5870. And the problem was fixable with 3 lines of edited code in a freakin' .ini file!

ATI driver writers are just flat out clownshoes.

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Reply #1027 on: December 17, 2011, 09:24:18 AM

Yeah, I'm not avoiding ATI just because their drivers once touched me in a bad place in 2003, but because pretty much every single week I see someone post a complaint about their drivers on these and other forums.

Just in recent weeks I've seen people having issues in Skyrim, SWTOR, Dungeon Defenders, World of Tanks.

So, I am sticking with nVidia for the foreseeable future and that's not even remotely up for debate. /derail.

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Reply #1028 on: December 19, 2011, 08:14:59 PM

With the release of SWTOR I thought of cobbling some cash together to build myself a new desktop gaming rig, since the ole Lenovo T500 laptop isnt doing so well these days with my return to gaming.
Wife's response: "Your laptop is only three years old."

 Facepalm  Non-gamers just dont understand.

 
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Reply #1029 on: December 20, 2011, 07:47:24 AM

With the release of SWTOR I thought of cobbling some cash together to build myself a new desktop gaming rig, since the ole Lenovo T500 laptop isnt doing so well these days with my return to gaming.
Wife's response: "Your laptop is only three years old."

 Facepalm  Non-gamers just dont understand.

<$400 will get you a full system that will rock SWTOR.  You're a dentist right?  Tell a couple people your putting in real gold fillings and then use fake stuff.

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Reply #1030 on: December 20, 2011, 08:30:54 AM

I think you confused Sand with Ghost, who's an orthodontist. Sand is Broughden who's occupation probably involves a deep fryer somewhere.

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe

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Reply #1031 on: December 20, 2011, 09:11:10 AM

I think you confused Sand with Ghost, who's an orthodontist. Sand is Broughden who's occupation probably involves a deep fryer somewhere.

Ahh, yes.  My mistake.

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Reply #1032 on: December 22, 2011, 09:47:03 PM

Ok, I'm looking at buying my first gaming laptop, mainly for use at work and LANs as I have a good desktop.

I'm not great on hardware so here is the one that I'm thinking of buying.

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Key Features

  Intel Core i7 - 2.93GHz Turbo
  17.3 "  WXGA Bright Wide Screen
  640GB 7200RPM ULTRA SATA Hard Drive
  8GB Memory ( check specs for upgrade options)
  Build in Web Camera !
  1GB Dedicated Video ATI HD 5870
  Super Multi 8x DVD+RW  -Write DVD and CD
  3D Audio with EAX Advanced HD 4.0

  Wireless Internet with WIFI A/G/N Wireless Card

  Windows 7 Premium 64bit

I'm not looking for the absolute best, just something that will run recent games fairly well. (Skyrim, Saints Row The Third, Arkham City, etc)
Does this sound like a good machine?

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Reply #1033 on: December 23, 2011, 02:16:57 PM

Performance should be decent (as notebooks go) however you should check and see if ATI's notebook drivers are still vendor-dependent. NVIDIA wised-up a while back and made their generic drivers usable on any manufacturers NVIDIA-equipped notebooks. This makes updating NVIDIA notebook drivers much easier than before where you had to hack INI files or hope and pray somebody made a custom config for your notebook. If ATI is still like that I would be hesitant to get an ATI-powered notebook especially given how bad their drivers have been of late.
 
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Reply #1034 on: January 24, 2012, 12:16:25 AM

I think you confused Sand with Ghost, who's an orthodontist. Sand is Broughden who's occupation probably involves a deep fryer somewhere.

Isn't that being mean to Arcadian Del Sol? Wait, he stopped managing the chicken place didn't he.

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Reply #1035 on: January 24, 2012, 06:35:58 AM

Did he ?

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Reply #1036 on: January 25, 2012, 03:34:29 PM

Man...  As happy as I am with the Phantom, the new Cosmos II is really tempting.  The $350 price tag less so.

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Reply #1037 on: February 05, 2012, 12:31:11 PM

CPU:Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified) [-30]
CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
HDD:120 GB ADATA S511 SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 550MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write [+35] (Single Drive)
HDD2:500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+94] (Single Hard Drive)
MEMORY:8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+3] (Kingston HyperX)
MOTHERBOARD:[CrossFireX/SLI] Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3 Intel Z68 mATX Mainboard w/ ROG Connect, Lucid Virtu and Intel SRT & 7.1 SupremeFX Audio, Intel GbLAN, HDMI, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 2x Gen3 PCIe X16 & 1 PCIe X4 (All Venom OC Certified) [+96]
VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
OS:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

Will this last a few years? The 500GB HDD is smal, I know, but I just don;t need it.  I have external drives up the wazoo and constantly move stuff I don't use or watch anymore off my machine.

I have never played WoW.
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Reply #1038 on: February 05, 2012, 01:12:38 PM

CPU:Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified) [-30]
CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
HDD:120 GB ADATA S511 SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 550MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write [+35] (Single Drive)
HDD2:500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+94] (Single Hard Drive)
MEMORY:8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+3] (Kingston HyperX)
MOTHERBOARD:[CrossFireX/SLI] Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3 Intel Z68 mATX Mainboard w/ ROG Connect, Lucid Virtu and Intel SRT & 7.1 SupremeFX Audio, Intel GbLAN, HDMI, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 2x Gen3 PCIe X16 & 1 PCIe X4 (All Venom OC Certified) [+96]
VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
OS:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

Will this last a few years? The 500GB HDD is smal, I know, but I just don;t need it.  I have external drives up the wazoo and constantly move stuff I don't use or watch anymore off my machine.

I can't see why not.  That said, if you can hold off a bit longer, you might want to wait until Kepler and Ivy Bridge hit later this year.

Beyond that, if you're comfortable with that HDD array, the only other thing I'd do is maybe change the 560ti to a 448-core 560ti or a 570 (depending on budget - you can drop the CPU to a 2500K with no real decrease in gaming performance to make up the difference) and specify a 'branded' (Seasonic, Corsair, XFX, NZXT, etc.) mid to high-end PSU.

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Reply #1039 on: February 05, 2012, 01:21:23 PM

CPU:Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified) [-30]
CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
HDD:120 GB ADATA S511 SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 550MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write [+35] (Single Drive)
HDD2:500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+94] (Single Hard Drive)
MEMORY:8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+3] (Kingston HyperX)
MOTHERBOARD:[CrossFireX/SLI] Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3 Intel Z68 mATX Mainboard w/ ROG Connect, Lucid Virtu and Intel SRT & 7.1 SupremeFX Audio, Intel GbLAN, HDMI, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 2x Gen3 PCIe X16 & 1 PCIe X4 (All Venom OC Certified) [+96]
VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
POWERSUPPLY:700 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
OS:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

Will this last a few years? The 500GB HDD is smal, I know, but I just don;t need it.  I have external drives up the wazoo and constantly move stuff I don't use or watch anymore off my machine.
For another $10, you can RAID two of these SSD's.  Same capacity, twice the performance.

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Reply #1040 on: February 06, 2012, 06:58:13 AM

For another $10, you can RAID two of these SSD's.  Same capacity, twice the performance.

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Does RAID support TRIM yet?  I was under the impression that non-enterprise SSD's + RAID wasn't a very good idea.
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Reply #1041 on: February 06, 2012, 01:13:46 PM

For another $10, you can RAID two of these SSD's.  Same capacity, twice the performance.

--Dave

Does RAID support TRIM yet?  I was under the impression that non-enterprise SSD's + RAID wasn't a very good idea.
TRIM affects mostly write speed performance, without it writes onto previously-occupied blocks require an erase cycle, slowing them down to roughly 1/10th of nominal speed.  As far as I know, no RAID controller (other than some of those built into PCIe-based cards) supports TRIM yet.  But in most cases, you want to minimize write cycles to an SSD, anyway (by putting transient data onto an HDD, usually).  Read speeds of 1GB+/sec are probably worth worst-case write speeds of 100MB/sec (still faster than most HDD's).

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Reply #1042 on: February 08, 2012, 12:54:04 PM

bleh my graphics card fan went out and possibly melted stuff.  It was a redeon 4850 HD and I wasn't unhappy with it to the point of thinking about an upgrade.  What is a decent sub $150 card with dual DVI out that I can replace it with?
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Reply #1043 on: February 08, 2012, 02:11:39 PM

bleh my graphics card fan went out and possibly melted stuff.  It was a redeon 4850 HD and I wasn't unhappy with it to the point of thinking about an upgrade.  What is a decent sub $150 card with dual DVI out that I can replace it with?

If you want to stick with AMD, the Radeon 6850 for around $135-140 or the 6870 for $155 and up.  Performance comparison between the two

Alternately, if you want to go nVidia, the GTX460 is pretty much a direct counterpart to the 6850.  6850 vs GTX460
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Reply #1044 on: February 08, 2012, 04:31:42 PM

Cool, went with the 6850.

edit: While installing the new card I decided to get an ssd and do complete reinstall of w7.  I also am trying out waterfox.  Probably the ssd or maybe the clean w7 install but even web browsing seems noticeably snappier.
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Reply #1045 on: March 14, 2012, 08:30:07 PM

This here is probably what I'm doing.  Basically for some work stuff and playing some Skyrim and minesweeper and whatever.  I already have an Antec 300 case left over and most likely a decent sized sata HDD.

Please clue me in if I'm spending a bunch of extra money on something useless or am being dumb in some way?  I've been out of the loop for quite a while.

Thanks!

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Reply #1046 on: March 14, 2012, 08:46:37 PM

Do you need 6 cores? E.g. are you doing video or graphics rendering of some sort? I would go for something like the FX-4170 instead.
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Reply #1047 on: March 15, 2012, 06:48:06 AM

For $100 more you can double the size of the SSD.
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Reply #1048 on: March 15, 2012, 08:56:04 AM

Hmm, if the processor was faster even though it had less cores it would be better in most things.  I don't plan on doing any video editing stuff in the near future, so thanks for that.

I'm pretty sure I have a 500GB or so sata drive from my old system that should still work.  I'm wondering if I need more than 160gb for OS and programs and 500 gb for "video" and other stuff...  I'll think about it.

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Reply #1049 on: March 22, 2014, 07:21:48 AM

nVidia GTX680 reviews are out:

HardOCP

Anand

Tom's

tl;dr:  Faster than 7970 while also drawing less power and adding some new features like 'GPU Boost' (basically self-overclocking, much like Turbo Boost is for CPUs), adaptive vsync (dynamically swapping to real-time in the event that the card can't sustain 60FPS instead of dropping to 30 or lower) and TXAA.

Can't say I'm looking for a $500 video card just yet, but the inevitable 670/660 should make things very interesting across the board.

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