Battlefield: Bad Company 2

[snowwy]

Apparently the knife-animation is much quicker if you don't have a target. So people are now hitting the melee-button, and then putting the marker on your soon-to-be corpse.
Not tested this myself since I still can't stay connected for two games in a row.

[HaemishM]

My problem with the knife vs. shotgun argument is that I HAVE aimed correctly and hit people directly to the front with my shotgun on point-blank - they don't die, but I do when they instaknife me before the gun will fire the other 2-3 shots required to kill someone.

[Malakili]

Apparently the knife-animation is much quicker if you don't have a target. So people are now hitting the melee-button, and then putting the marker on your soon-to-be corpse.
Not tested this myself since I still can't stay connected for two games in a row.

Yeah, its true, its sort of a quick slash instead of a pull back and stab.  It reminds me a bit of the old "quick stab v. backstab" thing in TF2 when the backstab animation was really long, and if you got good at backstabbing without triggering the backstab animation you were way better off.

[Furiously]

The animation for driving the knife into someone's neck is so rewarding though.

[Azazel]

Also, could you explain what you mean by "really changes the flow of the game"?  I'm really not sure what you mean in this case.

I'm thinking back more to my hundreds of hours in BF1942 and the related mods than BF2.  Planes flown by a skilled pilot or tanks with an adept driver could dominate the flow of a map.  This was particularly the case in pickup battles when your side had idiots taking all the vehicle positions. 

I think the mix of armor and infantry only works well in closed match games where their true potential is realized.  In a pickup match, a few skilled players can dominate a map with vehicle play in a way that is far more obvious than could be accomplished with infantry alone. 

I think one of the tweaks to be made is to change the gun emplacements back so that you can see through the fucking visors.

And yes, knife too powerful.

[Lounge]

The PC version of this game must be balanced significantly different than the console version.  The only time i ever get knifed is when they sneak up behind me or something.  I rarely have any issue killing someone charging at me flailing with the knife.

[tgr]

Could it be that PC gamers are better at utilizing the knife due to the mouse, so that it has to be downgraded slightly specifically for the PC?

[Malakili]

I think one of the tweaks to be made is to change the gun emplacements back so that you can see through the fucking visors.

Oh good, I actually thought that it was some sort of texture bug I was having.  I understand why they did it, as it was super easy to headshot people through the thing before, but the solution made those emplacements almost entirely useless.

[Pringles]

The knife is definitely due for some sort of balance.

Yes, I could tell that from beta. Knifers are way more deadly close in than people with bangybangy guns. A man with a shotgun should have it all over some twat with a knife.

Someone with a shotgun is far more deadly than a person with a knife.  Knifes are quiet, and fast, so if you sneak up behind a group you can take them out, certainly, but anyone who can aim will kill you if you charge them with a knife.  Granted....there are a lot of people who can't aim.

I agree with what you say, but in a lot of these situations you don't have time for ironsights so you're just hip shooting, and it seems like even with a shotgun the hip shots are terrible.

Like they do less damage even tho you're shooting them from 1-2 feet away.

[brellium]

Yeah, uninstalled it, after getting frustrated and going on a knifing spree, took a point by knifing all 5 defenders, followed by running to the enemy spawn point to hijack a tank (which one of my mouthbreathing squad members jumped in before me negating the benefit). Biggest waste of 60$

[brellium]

The knife is definitely due for some sort of balance.

Yes, I could tell that from beta. Knifers are way more deadly close in than people with bangybangy guns. A man with a shotgun should have it all over some twat with a knife.

Someone with a shotgun is far more deadly than a person with a knife.  Knifes are quiet, and fast, so if you sneak up behind a group you can take them out, certainly, but anyone who can aim will kill you if you charge them with a knife.  Granted....there are a lot of people who can't aim.

I agree with what you say, but in a lot of these situations you don't have time for ironsights so you're just hip shooting, and it seems like even with a shotgun the hip shots are terrible.

Like they do less damage even tho you're shooting them from 1-2 feet away.

Pringle I Ironsight and still can't kill people after putting a full clip into someone, only to have them turn around and drop me with 2 or 3 bullets from the same gun or knife me.

[Malakili]

Yeah, uninstalled it, after getting frustrated and going on a knifing spree, took a point by knifing all 5 defenders, followed by running to the enemy spawn point to hijack a tank (which one of my mouthbreathing squad members jumped in before me negating the benefit). Biggest waste of 60$

I don't think we are playing the same game.

[Strazos]

You guys should really try pulsing the shots on automatic weapons. I have WAY more luck bursting my MG as a medic than when I spray.

The knife is still kind of lame though...except when I sweep behind snipers and knife them all...bastards deserve it.

[Modern Angel]

I don't think we are playing the same game.

For serious. This is the most fun I've had playing a shooter since BF1942. Some balance problems with the knife, for sure, but the fun and intensity more than make up for it.

[Le0]

I agree, this game is really awesome.
Of course there's a few glitches here and there, and oh god that fucking interface, but gameplay wise it's a blast.

[Lounge]

You guys should really try pulsing the shots on automatic weapons. I have WAY more luck bursting my MG as a medic than when I spray.

You actually want to be doing the opposite of this.  The LMG's are designed to get more accurate when fired in longer bursts vs the AR and SMG's which DO need to be bursted in order to get decent accuracy.

At least thats the story according to this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZ3wXF3r14

[Khaldun]

I only occasionally fall in love with a shooter, and I tend to find multiplayer exciting but frustrating as I'm always the kind-of-underskilled guy who pads someone else's kills because I don't know the map well enough or play often enough. (I do ok in TF2, for example, but as the required skill and knowledge levels scale upwards, I just don't have the time or the twitch to get really good.) But I'm tempted by this one: it's been a while since I've done this kind of game.

[Malakili]

You guys should really try pulsing the shots on automatic weapons. I have WAY more luck bursting my MG as a medic than when I spray.

You actually want to be doing the opposite of this.  The LMG's are designed to get more accurate when fired in longer bursts vs the AR and SMG's which DO need to be bursted in order to get decent accuracy.

At least thats the story according to this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZ3wXF3r14

In practice I have always had for more success bursting, even with the MGs. 

[Malakili]

I guess this is the kind of thing people are complaining about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrS0yTtmf5s but frankly, the isn't a balance issue, its a people suck at paying attention to whats happening around them issue.

[Azazel]

Yeah, uninstalled it, after getting frustrated and going on a knifing spree, took a point by knifing all 5 defenders, followed by running to the enemy spawn point to hijack a tank (which one of my mouthbreathing squad members jumped in before me negating the benefit). Biggest waste of 60$

gosh! You sound like you would be a pro-level player, too. At least you
went out in a blaze of uberness.

[Nebu]

I only occasionally fall in love with a shooter, and I tend to find multiplayer exciting but frustrating as I'm always the kind-of-underskilled guy who pads someone else's kills because I don't know the map well enough or play often enough. (I do ok in TF2, for example, but as the required skill and knowledge levels scale upwards, I just don't have the time or the twitch to get really good.) But I'm tempted by this one: it's been a while since I've done this kind of game.

I should buy this game and tell you when I'm playing.  I love war-type shooters and firmly believe that I play them only to build the self-esteem of others.  Yes, I'm really that bad.  I get the strategy aspects, but lack the ability to bunny hop and strafe while still being able to hit the exact perfect spot on a target. 

I played some UT with schild and his friends and I was little more than a target dummy for those folks.  I had a great time, but was pretty humbled by their high skill level. 

[Lounge]

I guess this is the kind of thing people are complaining about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrS0yTtmf5s but frankly, the isn't a balance issue, its a people suck at paying attention to whats happening around them issue.

Great video.  I really hope this is not the kind of thing people here are complaining about.

[Azazel]

I should buy this game and tell you when I'm playing.  I love war-type shooters and firmly believe that I play them only to build the self-esteem of others.  Yes, I'm really that bad.  I get the strategy aspects, but lack the ability to bunny hop and strafe while still being able to hit the exact perfect spot on a target.   

My skills at fps are decent but not top-tier, yet I pretty consistently finish at or near the top on pub servers in bf games. What helps considerably are the rewards for support roles - medic and engineer.

[fuser]

My skills at fps are decent but not top-tier, yet I pretty consistently finish at or near the top on pub servers in bf games. What helps considerably are the rewards for support roles - medic and engineer.

The engineer is like 20points for a squad resupply, but the medic has 80points per squad revive is truly crazy. You can sit at a defend or assault position with a medic pack down getting like 10/20 points from your friends/team defending and then 50/80 for every revive.  I had the class fully unlocked a long while ago, in stark contrast due to my poor aim with recon

Anyone have tips for recon points farming? I notice they give bonus points for distance shots and head shots which is pretty neat.

[Malakili]

My skills at fps are decent but not top-tier, yet I pretty consistently finish at or near the top on pub servers in bf games. What helps considerably are the rewards for support roles - medic and engineer.

The engineer is like 20points for a squad resupply, but the medic has 80points per squad revive is truly crazy. You can sit at a defend or assault position with a medic pack down getting like 10/20 points from your friends/team defending and then 50/80 for every revive.  I had the class fully unlocked a long while ago, in stark contrast due to my poor aim with recon

Anyone have tips for recon points farming? I notice they give bonus points for distance shots and head shots which is pretty neat.

For recon you are probably better off going with a submachine gun or shotgun and getting in there with the assault players, using your C4 to blow vehicles etc.   I mean, if you are a really good sniper you can probably easily rack up the points, but I know I'm not, and i have much more success playing it as a close quarters class than a sniper.  Also, use your sensors aggressively, you get points for motion spot assists.

[kildorn]

Thompson on recon, unlock sensor ball, use it for points. Unlock mortar, laugh your ass off for points.

[fuser]

Thanks for the tips on recon, I'll go assault style  

And the whole backend crashes again. It seems every night Bat Country is knocked offline around 1-3am due to backend work. Other servers are exhibiting the same issue and the only way to get the server back "online" is to restart it.

From what I can say, I think they are concentrating on fixing up the backend but they are also keeping a running list of issues to fix for the game as well.

So I wouldn't expect any server side fixes team balancing/mode switching this week  

[Yoru]

So far my absolute favoritest thing in the game is spawning in a buddy's transport chopper, paradropping behind an established enemy defensive position, knifing some poor fucker while still in the air, and then proceeding to dice up as many of his buddies as possible before taking a 40mm grenade in the guts.

Repeat until they get wise to the chopper that seems to circle into range almost exactly every 30 seconds.

[Pennilenko]

The few people I had actually managed to add to my friends list have mysteriously disappeared.

[Malakili]

The few people I had actually managed to add to my friends list have mysteriously disappeared.

I had this problem as well, though I lost 20+ people.  Bleh, at least we kept people's names in tha BC2 names thread, so it should be easy to get the f13 people back at least.

[Azazel]

Yeah. The game sometimes just crashes. CTD, but just like I'd never been playing at all. I'm also at the point where the only way I can get onto a server is to hit "play now" and hope for the best. Hopefully they fix this shit, and soon.

I'm sure I'd be able to unlock medic and engineer if I could actually consistantly play, and if when I do get to play I could get onto servers that have half-sentient players, rather than collections of random retarded monkeys. And if I had time for more than a couple of rounds per night. I think it'll be a few weeks or even a month or two before I get there, just on the one EZ-points class.

In the meantime I'll just keep playing guys who have unlocked everything in the game in the week it's been released....

[HaemishM]

I guess this is the kind of thing people are complaining about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrS0yTtmf5s but frankly, the isn't a balance issue, its a people suck at paying attention to whats happening around them issue.

Great video.  I really hope this is not the kind of thing people here are complaining about.

Only the very last part of the video where the knifer gets shot like 3 times or more by an SMG and yet survives to knife. That's the thing I have problems with. The majority of the kills in that video are righteous - a bit overpowered maybe (knives and tanks seem to be the only one-shot kill weapons in the game), but yes, players need to pay more attention to their surroundings. My problem is that I can hit someone with an RPG while he knifes me, and he will survive while I die. That's CRAZY.

[kildorn]

My issue is the client side hit indicator. It LIES.

I've put 9-10 rounds into someone, admittedly body shots, with an SMG, get knifed, and guy is at 89-93% health. The client hit indicator is worse than the cake at close range.

[Lounge]

I guess this is the kind of thing people are complaining about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrS0yTtmf5s but frankly, the isn't a balance issue, its a people suck at paying attention to whats happening around them issue.

Great video.  I really hope this is not the kind of thing people here are complaining about.

Only the very last part of the video where the knifer gets shot like 3 times or more by an SMG and yet survives to knife. That's the thing I have problems with. The majority of the kills in that video are righteous - a bit overpowered maybe (knives and tanks seem to be the only one-shot kill weapons in the game), but yes, players need to pay more attention to their surroundings. My problem is that I can hit someone with an RPG while he knifes me, and he will survive while I die. That's CRAZY.

He misses the knife on the last kill in the video and kills him with rounds from his SMG.  Watch his ammo count decrease.  They were all legitimate kills IMO.

[fuser]

So um using PunkBuster is totally insane. It serves no purpose at all any more besides a distributed MD5 check of d3d9.dll. I have applied for streaming PBBans but denied because we don't have a clan/admin list posted (perhaps a sticky?). Besides that looking at the PBBans there's been a total of like under 30 bans so far.

Playing with the settings on Bat Country and finally got the screen caps to work. So now admins can issue commands to grab a screen shot of suspected cheating(this is myself as a test).



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