Battlefield: Bad Company 2

[WayAbvPar]

Ah ok. Who was the catass I saw that had 7 then?  Jesus! Of course, I should have more than I do, but I can't be arsed to find my 1942 and expansions keys and my Vietnam key. I just want my M1 Garand, dammit.

[fuser]

Cheap way to get 1 is with battlefield hero's account.

[WayAbvPar]

Yeah that is what I did- used my BF2 log in for it and all its expansions, and then created a Heroes account and played for 30 seconds. Hopefully DICE or EA or whoever is in charge will get the Garand working soon. I have loved that gun since I was a kid.

[squirrel]

Weird - server page shows Bat Country up but it's not showing in game (grayed out on my Favourites).

EDIT: Seems to have resolved itself. Wow I suck at this game heh.

[Strazos]

Need a better way to shoot down spawn-camping fully-loaded blackhawks.

[Pennilenko]

Need a better way to shoot down spawn-camping fully-loaded blackhawks.

Play engineer enough until you get the auto tracking shoulder fired missile.

[kildorn]

Need a better way to shoot down spawn-camping fully-loaded blackhawks.

Play engineer enough until you get the auto tracking shoulder fired missile.

If they're just circling, Mr Gustav will introduce the inside of a blackhawk to gravity.

That said, I have determined that the best way to start any round is to run ahead on ATVs and drop 3-4 AT mines along the roads or near the central cap point. It turns the initial tank encounter into a remarkably one sided affair. And sometimes you pop a fully loaded APC with hilarious score spam results.

The best part is, the unexploded mines stick around when you die and change classes. So you can be off assaulting it up across the map and Boom, 260 points for an ATV cap gone wrong.

edit: I'm also the worst recon ever. I'm terrible with a shotgun, passable with a rifle. But I want my mortar, and I really only switch when nobody's lobbing a freaking sensor ball around. Or assaults who refuse to drop me some ammo :(

[brellium]

Awesome, the only BF game I've bought, and it blows

30 seconds waiting for the server browser to update
EA screwed up their servers so it fails to respond half the time
and when I get it to list servers it fails to connect, no message, just fails to connect.

Back to TF2

Yeah, it is annoying when you can't connect, but I really urge you to try back in a few weeks after EA has gotten their crap together.  If you just throw your arms up and say "back to TF2" never to return, you are missing a really great game.  I understand your frustration, but the game definitely doesn't "blow."

Yeah, got into a game after a few more refreshes, it seems to play alot like red orchestra

Well, it does play alot like Red Orchestra, with one minor exception, PEOPLE DO NOT DIE WHEN I SHOOT THEM UNLESS I EMPTY A FULL CLIP IN THEM.

[Pennilenko]

Awesome, the only BF game I've bought, and it blows

30 seconds waiting for the server browser to update
EA screwed up their servers so it fails to respond half the time
and when I get it to list servers it fails to connect, no message, just fails to connect.

Back to TF2

Yeah, it is annoying when you can't connect, but I really urge you to try back in a few weeks after EA has gotten their crap together.  If you just throw your arms up and say "back to TF2" never to return, you are missing a really great game.  I understand your frustration, but the game definitely doesn't "blow."

Yeah, got into a game after a few more refreshes, it seems to play alot like red orchestra

Well, it does play alot like Red Orchestra, with one minor exception, PEOPLE DO NOT DIE WHEN I SHOOT THEM UNLESS I EMPTY A FULL CLIP IN THEM.

Hardcore mode fixes that but everybody whines too much about snipers. personally I really only enjoy playing on hardcore mode servers. I wish Bat Country was hardcore mode 24/7 or at least rotating.

I just get really annoyed when i unload two rounds from a semi automatic shotgun point blank into somebodies chest and they survive to get close enough to knife me.

[WayAbvPar]

M60s and 40mm GLs REALLY need a severe nerfing. So fucking sick of hitting a guy with multiple bursts, then having him turn and cut me down with one burst, or coming around a corner and getting a grenade in my guts from 15 feet away.

[brellium]

Awesome, the only BF game I've bought, and it blows

30 seconds waiting for the server browser to update
EA screwed up their servers so it fails to respond half the time
and when I get it to list servers it fails to connect, no message, just fails to connect.

Back to TF2

Yeah, it is annoying when you can't connect, but I really urge you to try back in a few weeks after EA has gotten their crap together.  If you just throw your arms up and say "back to TF2" never to return, you are missing a really great game.  I understand your frustration, but the game definitely doesn't "blow."

Yeah, got into a game after a few more refreshes, it seems to play alot like red orchestra

Well, it does play alot like Red Orchestra, with one minor exception, PEOPLE DO NOT DIE WHEN I SHOOT THEM UNLESS I EMPTY A FULL CLIP IN THEM.

Hardcore mode fixes that but everybody whines too much about snipers. personally I really only enjoy playing on hardcore mode servers. I wish Bat Country was hardcore mode 24/7 or at least rotating.

I just get really annoyed when i unload two rounds from a semi automatic shotgun point blank into somebodies chest and they survive to get close enough to knife me.

The whole game is annoying, I've probably got more knife kills than bayonnet kills in RO, and I've only been playing this game for a couple days.
I can get 3:1 KD ratios in TF2 as a sniper and 2:1 in most other roles, 2:1 KD ratios in RO, played a sniper in Planetside for over a year, got a 30 recon in GA; and I'm lucky to kill someone with a sniper weapon in this game.  Most of my kills come from either emplaced guns or if I get campy like in RO and use my ambush tactics from that game (only for them to fail as I'm used to 3 round bursts actually killing people). Too bad my choices are, play on Hardcore and get sniped within 2 seconds of showing my self, or unload entire clips into people and see them survive only to knife me.

The game is crap for an FPS

[Pennilenko]

The whole game is annoying, I've probably got more knife kills than bayonnet kills in RO, and I've only been playing this game for a couple days.
I can get 3:1 KD ratios in TF2 as a sniper and 2:1 in most other roles, 2:1 KD ratios in RO, played a sniper in Planetside for over a year, got a 30 recon in GA; and I'm lucky to kill someone with a sniper weapon in this game.  Most of my kills come from either emplaced guns or if I get campy like in RO and use my ambush tactics from that game. Too bad my choices are, play on Hardcore and get sniped within 2 seconds of showing my self, or unload entire clips into people and see them survive only to knife me.

The game is crap for an FPS

It may not be for you then, I am assuming like you there are many people here who are avid FPS fans, that are enjoying the game very much. Not everyone is going to like BC2, it needs a few tweaks, despite that it is really enjoyable once you understand the maps.

In regards to sniping, I have no problems with, and have seen lots of people excel with sniper rifles in both modes. I play hardcore almost exclusively and I really haven't had a hard time avoiding sniper fire. It really comes down to knowing the maps, knowing the angles from the various and likely sniper perches and not staying in the open. I think everyone can agree the knife lunge needs to go away and bullet damage needs a slight boost in regular mode.

Edit: Also I have noticed that people who like to camp, die a lot and get frustrated. This game really is about constant moving through cover. If a sniper gets me while I'm sprinting them props to him, that shit is hard.

[waffel]

I have a hard time playing this game and not getting incredibly frustrated. Every time I shotgun someone 5 feet away only to watch them sprint/teleport and knife me I just want to uninstall and never touch it again. I simply can't stand the knife in this game and the amount of people that pound the fucking key every chance they get.

[Azazel]

I usually manage to kill people when using the shotgun. Of course, I'm using the semi-auto shotgun and typically unload like 5 rounds into them from close range. But hey! 

[Furiously]

The knife is definitely due for some sort of balance.

Playing tonight I ran into a room with three medics and a sniper. I knew if I pulled my gun they would get me. So I knifed one medic and the other two had not noticed me. I ran at the sniper and knifed him too. The 2nd medic tried running but I got him too.

I'm horrid at this game. I think you need to be a monkey on crack. I play a round and just need to take a few steps away... Seems a lot more intense/action packed then BF2.

[Jimbo]

I spawned on a squad I was with, they were sniping as russians on the port valdez @ the begining, so I went to toss them a med kit and charge on, when I hit my defib and killed all three...don't ask...I did revive them.

[AcidCat]

Personally I think melee attacks should be removed entirely from these kind of games.

[kildorn]

Personally I think melee attacks should be removed entirely from these kind of games.

The knife is either completely useless or overpowered is the issue. It's not like it does damage, it simply auto kills or misses.

A rifle butt option that disrupted the opponent's weapon/reloading would be a far better way to handle melee, honestly. The issue is that the game can turn into sprint/knife or run around in close range spamming knife to kill 3-4 people.

But I do find the knife to be FAR less irritating than someone sitting on an ammo pack alternating 40mm GL/hand grenade indefinitely.

[Xuri]

But I do find the knife to be FAR less irritating than someone sitting on an ammo pack alternating 40mm GL/hand grenade indefinitely.

Seconded. And thirded.

[Nebu]

I think these games suffer from two faults:  

1) Make it an infantry game or make it a vehicle game.  Allowing only a few players access to vehicles at any given time really changes the flow of the game.  

2) Eliminate snipers.  If you want to play Deer Hunter, go play Deer Hunter.    

[Malakili]

I think these games suffer from two faults:  

1) Make it an infantry game or make it a vehicle game.  Allowing only a few players access to vehicles at any given time really changes the flow of the game.  

2) Eliminate snipers.  If you want to play Deer Hunter, go play Deer Hunter.    

I dunno, I think having a mix of infantry/armor/air in play at once makes the game a lot more interesting.  Also, could you explain what you mean by "really changes the flow of the game"?  I'm really not sure what you mean in this case.

[kildorn]

I like infantry/armor, and the map layouts MOSTLY make it so infantry has a good chance against unsupported armor. It's a little bullshit when said armor has 3 engies behind it and nobody flanks/mortar strikes the bastards. I say this as one of those three engies knowing damned well that you can put any number of RPGs into the front of an APC and fail to kill it in this situation.

I do wish there was an SMG option for recons, just because it's a great close support class, but I hate shotguns with a passion. About the best time I had as a recon was looting someone's VSS loadout and using it as a shitty assault rifle.

[Nebu]

Also, could you explain what you mean by "really changes the flow of the game"?  I'm really not sure what you mean in this case.

I'm thinking back more to my hundreds of hours in BF1942 and the related mods than BF2.  Planes flown by a skilled pilot or tanks with an adept driver could dominate the flow of a map.  This was particularly the case in pickup battles when your side had idiots taking all the vehicle positions. 

I think the mix of armor and infantry only works well in closed match games where their true potential is realized.  In a pickup match, a few skilled players can dominate a map with vehicle play in a way that is far more obvious than could be accomplished with infantry alone. 

[Pennilenko]

I personally don't want to see the game changed other than a few minor tweaks. I have been lucky enough to build a small library of servers with competent players where most of the concerns in this thread are never an issue. There are a ton of other games that are pretty that have all of the things some people wish for. This game is a mix of what I have been waiting for. Changing it would deprive me of the choice that I enjoy while there are many others out there as described in other posts here.

[Pennilenko]

2) Eliminate snipers.  If you want to play Deer Hunter, go play Deer Hunter.    

I say no, no team i have ever been on has complained about me being recon, I get in the action, I support the team.

What you really want to say is make sure the server has admins on that kick the retarded campers that hurt the game.

[kildorn]

I'm 99% happy now that it seems Stable.

the 1% is reserved for my team/squad sucking so I feel like I never have any support taking points (you do not need 8 people on a goddamned roof sniping or supporting snipers. If you do, at LEAST have them all using mortars and making the rest of the map an unholy firestorm), and people who think the 40mm GL is a first contact weapon, not a support tool.

[HaemishM]

The knife is definitely due for some sort of balance.

Yes, I could tell that from beta. Knifers are way more deadly close in than people with bangybangy guns. A man with a shotgun should have it all over some twat with a knife.

[fuser]

I dunno as tacky as the GL is I was having a laugh for two rounds just using it. Comedy gold taking out a sniper on a ridge at C on Valparaiso from a house at A that was trying to pick me off. Then crying about the epic shot. The GL has basically the chance to insta kill anyone on splash damage on normal with seemly no splash damage hitting you. This is a huge reason its used so much and so effective as point to point combat with zero chance of killing yourself.

Knife is wildly over powered but I have experienced a lot of misses even when perfectly aimed up due to lag (I'm close to my 200 kill medal). It shouldn't be an instant kill but say a 50% damage hit to give the victim a chance to kill you on normal.

Edit:
I turned off hardcore because it's an extreme. Turning off the map(objectives and rezzes needed etc),mag/round count, and number of people in a vehicle is not an acceptable trade off for the damage model changes. That's just my opinion but I'll turn it back on today and will see how people react to it.

[Malakili]

The knife is definitely due for some sort of balance.

Yes, I could tell that from beta. Knifers are way more deadly close in than people with bangybangy guns. A man with a shotgun should have it all over some twat with a knife.

Someone with a shotgun is far more deadly than a person with a knife.  Knifes are quiet, and fast, so if you sneak up behind a group you can take them out, certainly, but anyone who can aim will kill you if you charge them with a knife.  Granted....there are a lot of people who can't aim.

Also, regarding the vehicles discussion, I don't really find that to be the case.  Granted, I often play with an organized group, so I think my opinion of a lot of game mechanics is skewed because of it.

[Pennilenko]

I turned off hardcore because it's an extreme. Turning off the map(objectives and rezzes needed etc),mag/round count, and number of people in a vehicle is not an acceptable trade off for the damage model changes. That's just my opinion but I'll turn it back on today and will see how people react to it.

Don't turn it on, on account of my complaining. People don't like it and it will be hard to keep the server populated. I say go for what keeps people logged on and hope for a damage model mod to be release later hopefully.

[kildorn]

I really don't mind the HC damage model, I just refuse to play it due to it essentially turning off the UI. Slightly improved combat at the cost of all the nice basic information and feedback just doesn't seem fun to play.

[fuser]

Don't turn it on, on account of my complaining. People don't like it and it will be hard to keep the server populated. I say go for what keeps people logged on and hope for a damage model mod to be release later hopefully.

I think its a valid point tho. The HC damage is great and I really like it, I just wish they gave server admins a middle ground option. There's a petition started in the official forums but the typical response is to go play MW2  

[Pennilenko]

Don't turn it on, on account of my complaining. People don't like it and it will be hard to keep the server populated. I say go for what keeps people logged on and hope for a damage model mod to be release later hopefully.

I think its a valid point tho. The HC damage is great and I really like it, I just wish they gave server admins a middle ground option. There's a petition started in the official forums but the typical response is to go play MW2  

I would like to see them disconnect the hardcore damage model from all the other options, like spotting, and ui overlay and all that other stuff.

[fuser]

Forgot to mention that R6 patch was pushed out this AM. As a part of the patch push punkbuster is now forced back on any ranked servers  

BFBC2 PC server R6 is going to server providers now. This server version should stop all the PB INIT errors that have been happening.

Oh and the server stability with R6 has gone out the window again.

[kildorn]

So it will be functional tomorrow when they turn that back off.