People are broken

[Broughden]

From news of the strange and utterly weird.....

Police have accused Aimee Louise Sword of searching out the son she gave up for adoption a decade ago and raping him. She has been arraigned on three charges of criminal sexual misconduct. It's unclear whether the boy, a minor, knew she was his biological mother. Sword insists she is innocent.

The case has shocked authorities, and mental health experts say this is the worst-case scenario for the boy. Dr. Gerald Shiener, chief of Consultation and Liaison Psychiatry at Sinai Grace Hospital in Detroit, told MyFox Detroit that he had never heard of a case like this:
   

Our first reaction to hearing about something like this is that this is every man's nightmare. It's an abomination. This could be his first sexual experience, and his first sexual experience could be something so conflicted, so unusual, so prohibited that it will stay with him for life.

The mom....



Here is the funniest/worst part. Other people are rushing to Aimee's defense saying she didnt rape her son....he seduced her and she gave in. 

[Trippy]

At least she looks like a MILF

[UnSub]

Guess that's what happens when you name a boy Oedipus.

[Xuri]

Just to sidetrack slightly... What's up with it being standard procedure in the US to name and shame (with mugshots, even) people who've yet to actually be convicted of a crime? Or does it not matter, since all who get accused turn out to be guilty in the end?

[Pagz]

To contribute to the idea that people are broken, this happened to an acquaintance of a friend of mine:

Naked P-plater kills boyfriend in car accident

"Defence barrister Dermott Dann argued at the contested committal hearing that a properly instructed jury at trial could not return a guilty verdict on culpable driving solely on Langford's alcohol reading. He said there was no evidence of bad driving before the crash or that Langford was drunk and the issue of her state of undress was irrelevant.

It was wrong to ''lump'' the factors of alcohol, speed and undress together as amounting to gross negligence, he said."

Readers should note that in Australia Probationary drivers are not allowed to have any alcohol in their system, so that fact that he's saying she wasn't drunk doesn't matter because she had alcohol in her system.

Also saying that being naked without a seatbelt driving at night doesn't affect your driving capabilities is beyond absurd.

I would love to be the prosecutor on this case.

[Trippy]

What the heck is a P-plater?

[Pagz]

What the heck is a P-plater?

In Australia after you get off your learners license you progress onto your probationary license for three years. It basically means you have a blood alcohol limit of 0.0 and it takes less demerit points to lose your license.

[gryeyes]

Also saying that being naked without a seatbelt driving at night doesn't affect your driving capabilities is beyond absurd.

How the fuck does any of those things effect your driving capabilities?

[Ironwood]

P plates are also over here and they allow other motorists to give you a wide fucking berth.

[Pagz]

Also saying that being naked without a seatbelt driving at night doesn't affect your driving capabilities is beyond absurd.

How the fuck does any of those things effect your driving capabilities?

Perky nipples always distract me! .

[UnSub]

P plates are also over here and they allow other motorists to give you a wide fucking berth.

This is true. I always loved the respect that having P plates gave me on the road. The same psycho drivers who tailgate me now and cut me off would give me huge amounts of space because, as a P plater, I could potentially do anything at any time.

Just to sidetrack slightly... What's up with it being standard procedure in the US to name and shame (with mugshots, even) people who've yet to actually be convicted of a crime? Or does it not matter, since all who get accused turn out to be guilty in the end?

I'm guessing it could depend on the jurisdiction requirements about naming offenders - could change depending on where you are arrested - but it was classy to both use the term 'rape' (it's a loaded term) and also call up a psych with no prior knowledge of the case and ask him what he thought based solely on the reporter's commentary.

[rattran]

If the 'gave up for adoption a decade ago' bit is accurate, seems like rape would be the correct term.

And hey, she'll be on the news!

[Murgos]

...but it was classy to both use the term 'rape' (it's a loaded term) and also call up a psych with no prior knowledge of the case and ask him what he thought based solely on the reporter's commentary.

If the the boy is a minor then it is by definition rape because a minor cannot give consent.  It is was it is, no loading of language necessary.

And being seduced by your mom?  The Greeks knew that would fuck a person up 2400 years ago, the psych analysis isn't going out on a limb there.

[tazelbain]

Rape Thread!
http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator

[gryeyes]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

[Ironwood]

 

[Mrbloodworth]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

I would have thought that was the point, did you mess up?

[ashrik]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

My friend in law school was telling about a few cases like this he studied. I think they're each chosen for their peculiarity and how they show an interpretation of a law in a certain light. For whatever case it was, it was decided that misleading people about your identity isn't rape, or else everyone who ever lied about driving car X, vacationing in place Y, or having a salary of Z is a rapist. haha I never thought I'd think about his weird law school rape-case stories again.

[Signe]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

What grade are you in?

[Teleku]

Rape Thread!
http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator

Oh god, I should kill you for making me aware of that stupid stupid argument/controversy.

[gryeyes]

What grade are you in?

Depends on their age.

[Teleku]

OK, I lol'ed irl.

[ezrast]

What grade are you in?

Depends on their age.

[insert gender-ambiguity joke]

[or subject-verb disagreement joke, I guess]

[Goreschach]

Rape Thread!
http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator

orly?

[NowhereMan]

Rape Thread!
http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator

Oh god, I should kill you for making me aware of that stupid stupid argument/controversy.

Even better was the DC controversy where a male character (Nightwing), having been mentally fucked about by a mob boss and then watched said mob boss get killed by a female 'hero' has her basically push him down and mount him while he's muttering random crap and the authoress wanted to make it clear it wasn't rape but 'non-consensual sex'

On the topic at hand, not sure about the US but I know in the UK this wouldn't legally be rape because that requires the insertion of an object. Technically she'd be guilty of sexual assault but I'm not sure if that would hold true for the US as well. The naming and shaming aspect of the story is pretty weird to me since even if she's found innocent she gets to live with people thinking of her as 'Rapist mom' for the rest of her life.

[Azazel]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

Luckily that's clearly never happened. 

[MahrinSkel]

Just to sidetrack slightly... What's up with it being standard procedure in the US to name and shame (with mugshots, even) people who've yet to actually be convicted of a crime? Or does it not matter, since all who get accused turn out to be guilty in the end?

Police booking files are public records (EDIT: In the US, has to do with the idea of "no secret arrests"), *anyone* can go in and look at them.  Except for minors, names and charges are always available, newspapers used to get and print their home addresses as well.  Except for minors and rape cases, victims and/or complaining witness names are usually available as well as the name(s) of the arresting officer.

--Dave

[MahrinSkel]

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

I would have thought that was the point, did you mess up?

I actually had a long flamewar on a feminist blog on that very subject (involved a case where a man pretended to be his brother and crawled into bed with his sister-in-law).  Wound up with everyone else agreeing I was, in fact, an admitted and unrepentant rapist (because in my 20's, I didn't hesitate to tell lies I thought might get me laid, and sometimes it worked), and my getting banned for life from the blog (even blocked my IP so I couldn't read it for a while).

--Dave

[Sky]

Just to sidetrack slightly... What's up with it being standard procedure in the US to name and shame (with mugshots, even) people who've yet to actually be convicted of a crime? Or does it not matter, since all who get accused turn out to be guilty in the end?

That's why I had to stop smoking marijuana. Not because I don't like it or can't use it responsibly. We have a very conservative Board of Trustees and our local paper prints everything on the police and fire blotters, so even though it would be but a violation and cost less than most moving violations, it would get me a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

Go prohibition.

[gryeyes]

I actually had a long flamewar on a feminist blog on that very subject (involved a case where a man pretended to be his brother and crawled into bed with his sister-in-law).  Wound up with everyone else agreeing I was, in fact, an admitted and unrepentant rapist (because in my 20's, I didn't hesitate to tell lies I thought might get me laid, and sometimes it worked), and my getting banned for life from the blog (even blocked my IP so I couldn't read it for a while).

You were defending the guy? Pretending to be someone specific that the victim knows is definitely rape. Its entirely different than lying about your cock size or whatever,which is rather pointless. Anyone going to randomly hump you would probably do so regardless of your lies.

[Cyrrex]

You were defending the guy? Pretending to be someone specific that the victim knows is definitely rape. Its entirely different than lying about your cock size or whatever,which is rather pointless. Anyone going to randomly hump you would probably do so regardless of your lies.

Can you explain the bold?  It sounds like your saying that if I told a chick I was some famous professional athlete just to get her in the sack, then that would qualify as rape?

[gryeyes]

Can you explain the bold?  It sounds like your saying that if I told a chick I was some famous professional athlete just to get her in the sack, then that would qualify as rape?

It was in response to Daves example of the brother in law pretending to be the womans husband.

[Cyrrex]

Ah, okay.  Assuming the brother in question was an identical twin, then I'll agree with you.  Kind of.  I mean, it is probably rape, but there is something a little bit hilarious about it.

[gryeyes]

They have to be an identical twin for it to be rape?

[Cyrrex]

I may have made a wrong assumption, but I was reading it as if the wrong brother hops into the sack with his sister-in-law and then they get it on in a consensual fashion, and then she discovers later that it wasn't her husband?  Dave did say he "pretended", so I was assuming it was a twin brother that tricked her.